Obama pulled 6 more delegates than Clinton in Mississippi Tuesday night with 17 delegates to Senator Clinton's 11. Obama continues to slowly pull away ind delegates in the race for the Democratic party presidential nomination.

Apparently, Obama's win in Wyoming bridged the difference between the extra votes that Hillary picked up winning Texas and Ohio.

With the Democrats having Super Delgate votes, I can now see why the DNC attempted to lock the Indiana 7th Congressional District Special Race this week. I don't think its a surprise how our new Congressman will vote in the Democratic Primary.

I just recently realized something remarkable. Neither Obama or Clinton can get enough pledged delegates to win the nomination - there aren't enough left to get to the required 2025. That means, from now on, the super delegates are all that matter, not necessarily a good thing. They're all Party pols with political needs and in the business of making deals. They can change their minds at any time.

If the Party hadn't made all the races proportional allocations, Clinton would already have clinched the nomination, because she won the big States. It's a real mess now.

Those two are really mucking up the DEM race.

It'll be another 6 months of arguing / whining / appealing (just like Bush / Gore), regardless of who wins - But THIS time without the partisan spin.

Somehow, Hillary-ous will blame it on the GOP.

Let's not forgot, the Super Delegates get paid for their vote. Apparently this is nothing new, so no one can jump on Obama's or Clinton's case for paying for their delegates' votes.

Republicans don't have Super Delegates for their primaries, they just have winner take call contests.

I couldn't have said it better myself:

Michael Medved wrote:The Democratic Party crisis over 366 disputed delegates from Florida and Michigan provides a powerful argument for keeping this bickering, disorganized party out of the White House.

The Obama campaign wants to keep the dubious Dem delegates elected in the two states from participating in the national convention, because the party announced in advance that they wouldn’t be recognized. The Clinton campaign, which won most of these delegates, wants them all seated, arguing that nearly two million voters cast Democratic ballots in the two states, and blocking the delegates would make those votes meaningless. “Howlin’ Howie” Dean, Democratic national chair, wants a revote in the two states but won’t let the national party pay for it, since that national party (namely, Chairman Dean himself) warned Florida and Michigan that if they cut-in-line on the primary calendar, they’d be punished. Obviously, Republicans in both states don’t want to use taxpayer money to pay for a second Democratic primary necessitated solely by that party’s divisions and incompetence.

Lost in all the arguments is the fact that Republicans faced a similar dilemma, but handled it much, much better. The national party also sought to penalize Michigan and Florida for breaking rules by moving their primaries ahead of schedule, and the GOP therefore decided that both states would lose half the delegates to which they were otherwise entitled, but allowed the primaries to go forward with the lessened impact of shrunken delegations. Romney won Michigan, then McCain won Florida – and with it the nomination. In any event, a reasonable compromise avoided the idiotic and embarrassing train-wreck faced by the other party.

Given the Democrats’ shocking inability to straighten out their own nomination process (unlike the GOP, which features no “super delegates” at all, they’re highly dependent on these undemocratically chosen insiders ), anyone concerned with efficiency, competence, organizational ability, should shun both the Democratic candidates and especially reject their useless and bumbling national chairman.

Doesn’t it undermine Obama’s promise to bring Americans together in a festival of kum-ba-ya unity, to see him utterly unable to unify even his own party on the relatively simple issue of primary and nomination procedures?

If this is the way they handle the selection of a nominee, just imagine how they’d organize health care, social security reform, the war on terror, tax simplification, repairing infrastructure or other challenges facing the nation at large.

The American people are watching the laughable spectacle of the ego-driven battle royal within the Democratic Party— confirming the image of clumsiness and fumbling already well-established by the perpetually confused Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. One can only hope that the silly struggle to solve the twin problems of the Wolverine and Sunshine states will convince wavering voters to turn away from the party with the chaotic, slapstick propensities of the Keystone Kops, but none of the good humor and charm.

I saw Nader on the Daily show the other night and he was talking about the business practices of both parties. Very, very dirty tactics...The democrats actually sued him, to which he counter sued, and won. He also mentioned that Judges are politically orientated (duh) and it is difficult to go against the parties. Makes me want to move...

If I would go anywhere, it would probably be Switzerland.

F Canada, my family is moving the Switzerland.

You dont have to look far to see how badly the parties treat people. Look at Joe Liberman and the crap that the DNC pulled on him.

Come to Brazil where we neighbor the ever infamous, mild mannered, polite and well spoken Hugo Chavez. We have 4 political parties and a few smaller ones, voting is compulsory for those >18 yrs, and our government has its' own checks and balances system not unlike the US. Our legal system is based on a Roman and Germanic models. Anyway, we have the most beautiful women in the world, and if you've never known one Biblically, you've not lived fully... wait a minute, that wasn't the issue here, sorry, I digressed.

American politics is no more and no less screwed up than anywhere I've lived around the world, but at least Americans have a voice and can speak their mind without fear of being shot, brutalized or raped.

^ Amen.

And Chavez needs a dose of some good ol' fashioned US Covert Ops to turn his melon into a pink spray from 500 yards.

W661335PF wrote:Come to Brazil where we neighbor the ever infamous, mild mannered, polite and well spoken Hugo Chavez. We have 4 political parties and a few smaller ones, voting is compulsory for those >18 yrs, and our government has its' own checks and balances system not unlike the US. Our legal system is based on a Roman and Germanic models. Anyway, we have the most beautiful women in the world, and if you've never known one Biblically, you've not lived fully... wait a minute, that wasn't the issue here, sorry, I digressed.

I've got to ask. How does one know a woman "Biblically?" I understand carnally knowing one, so naturally I'm curious about the other options.

The popularity of the US Presidential Election amazes me. I bought Sirius Sat. Radio because it has the World Radio Network. I start listening to RTE Ireland and other foreign broadcast and all they talk about is the Democratic Primary. RTE Ireland even went so far as to attempt to trace Obama's Irish ancestory. If I am listening to WRN, I want to hear about what is going on in Poland, Sweden, Romania....

/rant

A vote for obama is a vote for osama, seriously. We dont need a racist democrat muslim as president, especially now when islam is at war with the west.

Wow, Obama has said he isn't a Muslim. Islam isn't at war with the west, unless I've missed some breaking news. Can you give me one example of Obama being a racist? I've missed any evidence of that. Regardless of how I vote, I have the highest respect for the man and what he has accomplished in his life. I think he would probably score higher on an IQ test than any of the other candidates too.

rn79870 wrote:
I've got to ask. How does one know a woman "Biblically?" I understand carnally knowing one, so naturally I'm curious about the other options.

Rick Damone Jr wrote:A vote for obama is a vote for osama, seriously. We dont need a racist democrat muslim as president, especially now when islam is at war with the west.

I would much rather have my ignorance than your knowledge!

rn79870 wrote:Can you give me one example of Obama being a racist? I've missed any evidence of that.

Break out the first-aid kit, kids!!!

-- He pushed the "racial profiling" issue by police in his last years in the Illinois State Senate

-- He is anti-death penalty (His excuse is he is against the way it is conducted in the United States)

-- In 1998, Obama was one of only three senators to vote against a proposal making it a criminal offense for convicts on probation or on bail to have contact with a street gang.

-- In 2001, Obama voted against a measure that would have expanded the penalties for some gang activity (such as murder for gang membership or "street cred") to include the death penalty

-- In 1999, he was the only state senator to vote against a bill prohibiting early prison release for criminal sexual abusers

-- Obama has made claims that laws targeting gangs single out people of color (he makes no such overtures to the victims)

-- Supports alternative sentencing and rehabilitation

-- He opposes mandatory sentencing

-- He supports all left wing racial disparity arguments regarding law enforcement. He said ... "If I am president, I will have a civil rights division that is working with local law enforcement so that they are enforcing laws fairly and justly."

-- Obama has also been criticized for voting "present" on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools

-- He was the only state senator to not support a privacy bill for victims of sexual abuse

-- 100 percent rating from the ACLU (THAT alone should tell you something!)

He's very left wing when it comes to gun control, redistribution of wealth, he's ridiculously pro-union and anti business. He has no economic policy whatsoever besides raising taxes on those who already pay the most so it can be redistributed through various forms of welfare programs. Just him pressing forth the "Global Property Act of 2007" is enough to call him a far-left socialist.

If elected, he'd be the most liberal president this country has seen, which would be disastrous economically. He also has ties to rebel groups in Kenya who have engaged the most pro-western government in that part of Africa through violence, including blowing up a church full of Christians.

Link to article where Obama supports the Palestinians:http://www.jewishpress.com/dis...num=0 Link to article where Obama supports militants in Kenyahttp://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/080115/issues.html?.v=1

Don't get me started on his CLOWN of a wife:

Some Michelle Obama comments:

“Hope is making a comeback and, let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change,”

"You know, there's always that doubt in the back of the minds of people of color. People who've been oppressed and haven't been given real opportunities. That you never really believe. That you believe that somehow, someone is better than you. You know, deep down inside, you doubt whether you can do it, because that's all you've been told, is "no, wait." That's all you hear, and you hear it from people who love you."

Mrs. Obama implied that America’s allegedly rampant white racism posed a great physical threat to her husband, who had just announced his candidacy for the 2008 presidential race. Said Mrs. Obama: “As a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station.” "

"The salaries don’t keep up with the cost of paying off the debt. So you’re in your forties, still paying off your debt at a time when you have to save for your kids. Barack and I were in that position. The only reason we’re not in that position is that Barack wrote two best-selling books.… It was like Jack and his magic beans. But up until a few years ago, we were struggling to figure out how we would save for our kids.” “We left corporate America,” Mrs. Obama added, “which is a lot of what we’re asking young people to do. Don’t go into corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we’re encouraging our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries respond.” "

--- Realize that she and Barak made >$1.7 million during the 7 years she claims they were "struggling" which relates to $250k/yr.

"Don’t get sick in this country - not here. Americans are in debt not because they live frivolously but because someone got sick. And even with insurance, the deductibles and premiums are so high that people are still putting medication and treatments on credit cards."

From her College Thesis “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community” :

“Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments.”

“[My Princeton experiences] “will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

“I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

“Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost.”

“In defining the concept of identification or the ability to identify with the black community … I based my definition on the premise that there is a distinctive black culture very different from white culture.”

Thanks to a few colleagues for their assistance...

rn79870 wrote:I have the highest respect for the man and what he has accomplished in his life.

Such as?

What has he accomplished in the United States Senate?

Local and Federal governments are so different, they're almost absurd to compare.

rn79870 wrote:Wow, Obama has said he isn't a Muslim. Islam isn't at war with the west, unless I've missed some breaking news. Can you give me one example of Obama being a racist? I've missed any evidence of that. Regardless of how I vote, I have the highest respect for the man and what he has accomplished in his life. I think he would probably score higher on an IQ test than any of the other candidates too.

You are right, Obama attends Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Now his minister (Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr) is a piece of work and has been linked with Louis Farrakhan. Hannity was playing long clips of Rev. Wright and I have to say that he goes beyond being a racist, bordering on Anti Semitism and anti American.

A pretty good article.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04...login

AZhitman wrote:
Such as?

What has he accomplished in the United States Senate?

Local and Federal governments are so different, they're almost absurd to compare.

Greg,Obama is a Columbia and Harvard graduate. He was also elected to the Illinois State Legislature and the Senate. Those are accomplishments. Now what has he accomplished while in the Senate.. I would ask people to name specific accomplishments that he has done while in the Senate.

Apparently, he has missed 40% of the votes in this Senate.http://projects.washingtonpost...00167/I do have to say (proudly) that my Senator Lugar missed .04% of votes and Bayh 2.3%, but they arent running for President.

He also didnt vote on Vote 32: S 1200: S.1200 as Amended; Indian Health Care Improvement Act Amendments of 2007

I am sure the Native American Vote is now lost.

Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983. Thereafter he attended and graduated from Harvard Law School. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago for 10 years. Harvard and the University of Chicago are both top 10 law schools. Imagine a President that understood the constitution.

Obama is two years into his term as a US senator, and he served seven years in the Illinois legislature.

Barack Obama was born on August 4th, 1961, in Hawaii. I was also born in Hawaii. (Don't touch that!)

Those are pretty impressive accomplishments for any man, from any background.

rn79870 wrote:Wow, Obama has said he isn't a Muslim. Islam isn't at war with the west, unless I've missed some breaking news.

Islam as a whole (if there is such a thing, since its not a centralized hierarchical religion) is not at war with the West. But many Islamo Facist groups inside Islam are.

AZhitman wrote:Break out the first-aid kit, kids!!!

-- He pushed the "racial profiling" issue by police in his last years in the Illinois State Senate

Didn’t he see constitutional issues being violated there?

AZhitman wrote:He is anti-death penalty (His excuse is he is against the way it is conducted in the United States)

NO-NO-NO…Obama opposes the death penalty except for terrorists, serial killers and child-murderersSo is just about every advanced country in the world. Exceptions, China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, and the United States. Good company. A regular who’s who of repression there. The death penalty is pretty final, and do we want to look at what Amnesty International has discovered about errors in the death sentence cases? No you don’t.

AZhitman wrote:-- In 1998, Obama was one of only three senators to vote against a proposal making it a criminal offense for convicts on probation or on bail to have contact with a street gang.

He sometimes voted for “individual rights” rather than for facilitating law enforcement. Again, falling back on that Constructional, individual rights thing. Why did we ever let them out in the first place?

AZhitman wrote:In 2001, Obama voted against a measure that would have expanded the penalties for some gang activity (such as murder for gang membership or "street cred") to include the death penalty

“There’s a strong overlap between gang affiliation and young men of color … I think it’s problematic for them to be singled out as more likely to receive the death penalty for carrying out certain acts than are others who do the same thing.” Barak Obama.

The bill was vetoed by then-Gov. George Ryan (R ) not long after he had issued a moratorium on the death penalty in the state.

I call this foresight.

AZhitman wrote:In 1999, he was the only state senator to vote against a bill prohibiting early prison release for criminal sexual abusers

I have not seen information on that.

AZhitman wrote:Obama has made claims that laws targeting gangs single out people of color (he makes no such overtures to the victims)

That’s not what he said. See above.

AZhitman wrote:Supports alternative sentencing and rehabilitation

“There is really no proof or indication that automatic transfers and increased penalties and adult penalties for juvenile offenses have, in fact, proven to be more effective in reducing juvenile crime or cutting back on recidivism.” Perhaps he was trying to fix a broken system.

AZhitman wrote:He opposes mandatory sentencing

See above.

AZhitman wrote:He supports all left wing racial disparity arguments regarding law enforcement. He said ... "If I am president, I will have a civil rights division that is working with local law enforcement so that they are enforcing laws fairly and justly."

Equality and justice for all. I agree, he’s on to something here.

AZhitman wrote:-- Obama has also been criticized for voting "present" on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools

What part of the bill was he against, and why? Too narrow of a statement.

AZhitman wrote:-- He was the only state senator to not support a privacy bill for victims of sexual abuse

What part of the bill was he against, and why? Too narrow of a statement.

AZhitman wrote:-- 100 percent rating from the ACLU (THAT alone should tell you something!)

Yeah, an organization devoted to upholding the supreme law of the land. An organization that believes the constitution should be applied equally and fairly and without regard to emotion. This tells me that Obama must have a pretty high regard for the Constitution and its application to everyday situations. I kinda gotta agree with that.

AZhitman wrote:He's very left wing when it comes to gun control, redistribution of wealth, he's ridiculously pro-union and anti business. He has no economic policy whatsoever besides raising taxes on those who already pay the most so it can be redistributed through various forms of welfare programs. Just him pressing forth the "Global Property Act of 2007" is enough to call him a far-left socialist.

Last I heard, that bill was in front of Lugars Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and was going no where.

AZhitman wrote:If elected, he'd be the most liberal president this country has seen, which would be disastrous economically. He also has ties to rebel groups in Kenya who have engaged the most pro-western government in that part of Africa through violence, including blowing up a church full of Christians.

Link to article where Obama supports the Palestinians:http://www.jewishpress.com/dis...num=0

From that article…

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.

Headquartered in the heart of Chicago’s Palestinian immigrant community, AAAN describes itself as working to "empower Chicago-area Arab immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of community organizing, advocacy, education and social services, leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other communities."

Speakers at AAAN dinners and events routinely have taken an anti-Israel line. The group co-sponsored a Palestinian art exhibit, titled "The Subject of Palestine," that featured works related to what Palestinians call the "nakba" or "catastrophe" of Israel’s founding in 1948.

I think the allegations are overrated.

AZhitman wrote:Link to article where Obama supports militants in Kenyahttp://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/080115/issues.html?.v=1

That article references Louis Farrakhan as an ally. Obama has replied to the endorsement from Farrakhan with a Thanks, but no thanks.

AZhitman wrote:Don't get me started on his CLOWN of a wife:

Some Michelle Obama comments:

“Hope is making a comeback and, let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change,”

"You know, there's always that doubt in the back of the minds of people of color. People who've been oppressed and haven't been given real opportunities. That you never really believe. That you believe that somehow, someone is better than you. You know, deep down inside, you doubt whether you can do it, because that's all you've been told, is "no, wait." That's all you hear, and you hear it from people who love you."

Mrs. Obama implied that America’s allegedly rampant white racism posed a great physical threat to her husband, who had just announced his candidacy for the 2008 presidential race. Said Mrs. Obama: “As a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station.” "

"The salaries don’t keep up with the cost of paying off the debt. So you’re in your forties, still paying off your debt at a time when you have to save for your kids. Barack and I were in that position. The only reason we’re not in that position is that Barack wrote two best-selling books.… It was like Jack and his magic beans. But up until a few years ago, we were struggling to figure out how we would save for our kids.” “We left corporate America,” Mrs. Obama added, “which is a lot of what we’re asking young people to do. Don’t go into corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we’re encouraging our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries respond.” "

--- Realize that she and Barak made >$1.7 million during the 7 years she claims they were "struggling" which relates to $250k/yr.

"Don’t get sick in this country - not here. Americans are in debt not because they live frivolously but because someone got sick. And even with insurance, the deductibles and premiums are so high that people are still putting medication and treatments on credit cards."

From her College Thesis “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community” :

“Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments.”

“[My Princeton experiences] “will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

“I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.”

“Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost.”

“In defining the concept of identification or the ability to identify with the black community … I based my definition on the premise that there is a distinctive black culture very different from white culture.”

Thanks to a few colleagues for their assistance...

Well, compared to Hillary, and the Crypt keeper looking Cindy McCain, Michelle is a breath of fresh air. Besides, Michelle isn't running this year.

It’s getting late or I could do better. But, I am not totally sold on Obama. But If I had to choose, he would be one of my top 2 choices.

96Qowner wrote:I just recently realized something remarkable. Neither Obama or Clinton can get enough pledged delegates to win the nomination - there aren't enough left to get to the required 2025. That means, from now on, the super delegates are all that matter, not necessarily a good thing. They're all Party pols with political needs and in the business of making deals. They can change their minds at any time.

If the Party hadn't made all the races proportional allocations, Clinton would already have clinched the nomination, because she won the big States. It's a real mess now.

There are 570 delegates left. Obama has 1614 (?)and Hillary has 1487(?). Hillary's superdelegate lead has dwindled to 36, and next week 35 due to the NY governor resigning.

Either party would have to sweep all the primaries, the next of which is in about 5 weeks. That isn't happening.

Denver 2008 is going to be must watch TV.

rn79870 wrote:Imagine a President that doesn't give a rat's a$$ about the constitution.

Fixed your typo.

I kid, I kid....

p.s. Well-done, my friend. I'll tackle these in the morning after I've had my beauty rest.

Keep in mind I watch NO tv and rarely read the paper... I should keep more current so I can REALLY bring the pain.

To be honest I dont really like any of the candidates. This country would be much better off with bush as president for 4 more years..

rn79870 wrote:Last I heard, that bill was in front of Lugars Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and was going no where.

He supports it, proposed it and it's bad legislation. I don't care if it is stuck in committee or not. If he proposed it in order to get "points" while knowing it would never pass than I have issues with that as well (wasting our govt's time with BS).

I would address more about Obama but I'm OTR and don't have time....

Rick Damone Jr wrote:To be honest I dont really like any of the candidates. This country would be much better off with bush as president for 4 more years..

That's kinda where I stand, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say there's not some "change" needed.

I'm pissed that B.O., H.C. and J.M. are ALL we have to choose from.

How did that happen? Who adores them SO much that they got the "blessing"?

Teh system, she is teh broke.