Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools

[Jesda]

Ayers should be in prison, but the prosecution screwed up.

[Jesda]

Obama talks pretty, but the substance is less pretty.

I'm getting tired of hearing that the acts of terrorism occurred when Obama was eight years old -- its irrelevant. The Holocaust was in the 1940s, but its still wrong to associate with Nazis. [I know, Godwin's law, LOL]

Ayers got away with a crime. Ayers is a former terrorlst no matter what. It is wrong to associate with Ayers, past or present.

Maybe Ayers mellowed out, maybe he listens to Peter Cetera and drives a Camry. It doesn't change his beliefs and it doesn't change his past. He even said he wished he would have done more, making it pretty clear to me that the guy has no shame about bombing the white house, pentagon, and the home of a judge.

It is impossible to justify this association, and it is, finally, one thing that completely sickens me about Senator Barack Obama.

And no, it hasn't caused me to change my vote to McCain. If Bob Barr was found to have associated with domestic or foreign terrorists, or if Bob Barr was part of an organization that actively committed voter registration fraud, you can bet that I would not vote for him.

Obama supporters are so caught up in their dislike of President Bush, however justified, that they fail to see the serious flaws in their candidate.

This is a serious ethical issue that cannot be ignored. Barack Obama is very likely going to become President, and the left treats this as a non-issue.

[96Qowner]

But this is not an issue of "association".

This is as if Obama was a Deacon at Wright's church and was in charge of selling DVDs of Wright's speeches.

Obama was in charge of funding the 3rd Party activist groups that Ayers and his buddies created. $160 million. Ayers got Obama the shot at the State Senate seat.

For years Obama gave help and legal advice to ACORN, who is featured prominently in the news today for having one third of its registered voters turn out to be fraudulent. Obama paid ACORN $800,000 this year to register voters.

These are not mere associations. These are the people that got Obama started in politics. These are the people Obama worked hard for, CHOSE to work with, to establish his credibility, to market himself, for over a decade. These are radicals.

How is Obama NOT a radical?

And how is he not a stone cold LIAR? (A term I RARELY use).

If one doesn't worship Obama, takes off the rosy glasses and actually LOOKS at the evidence, it's indefensible.

[Rev_D21]

They were friends. What are you getting at?

Exactly, so that makes Reagan guilty of domestic terrorism by association too since it was Annenburg who asked Ayers to be on the committee. That means Sarah Palin is a domestic terrorlst since she sleeps with a member of an Alaska secessionist organization. McCain claims he KNOWS the relation of Obama and Ayers is more than Obama says it was...ok McCain present your evidence. Evidence is not trying to instill reasonable doubt, it's having facts which he has none. Palin sleeps with someone who hates the USA who is a card carrying member of a secessionist organization, that to me is treasonous.

The bottom line is McCain loses on all the real issues. If Ayers were a current threat he'd be in jail. If Obama were a threat he would be in jail not in the Senate of all places. Plus Ayers was acquitted of his charges. It's called doublespeak, McCain pals around with terrorlst America haters yet he accuses Obama of the same or worse. That's like Senator Wide Stance sponsoring anti-gay legislation.

[audtatious]

[Jesda]

The bottom line is McCain loses on all the real issues.

Who the hell cares? I'm not voting for McCain. How about refuting Obama's scandals instead of deflecting?

Obama supporters. They think their poop smells like roses.

[96Qowner]

..., so that makes Reagan guilty of domestic terrorism by association too since it was Annenburg who asked Ayers to be on the committee. That means Sarah Palin is a domestic terrorlst since she sleeps with a member of an Alaska secessionist organization. Palin sleeps with someone who hates the USA who is a card carrying member of a secessionist organization, that to me is treasonous.

It's called doublespeak, McCain pals around with terrorlst America haters yet he accuses Obama of the same or worse. That's like Senator Wide Stance sponsoring anti-gay legislation.

Um ... no. This is not the 7 degrees of Kevin bacon. Reagan didn't work for a known terrorlst for years. It wasn't a known terrorlst that introduced him to politics in California. Palin didn't work for a known terrorlst. A known terrorlst didn't introduce her to politics. These are mere associations. No participation.

Obama supporters know virtually nothing about him, and it's quite clear they don't want to know anything more about him. If that weren't true, they would actually want to know how he got started in politics, who his people were, what his goals were.

Check it out. It's not the man you see today. Until he ran for US Senate, he was an afrocentric, leftist radical in every sense. ACORN is an abomination, and OBAMA gave them $800,000 this year. He's bringing his radical friends into national politics.

[Rev_D21]

Oh so it's only terrorism if they get introduced into politics? Once again, why are they not in jail...or at least under investigation?

And yeh it is 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Guilty by association. Reagan traded arms with Iran, he sponsored terrorism by Bush's standards if you want to play that game. Reagan traded arms with Iraq, sponsor of terrorism by Bush's standards. See what I am getting at? Stop the double standard!

[srellim234]

I agree on the double standard point. I don't trust the Dems OR the republicans and won't be voting for either.

Former Clinton aide Paul Begala pointed out on Sunday that McCain sat on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, part of the World Anti-Communist League, having joined in 1982, after the Anti-Defamation League called it a "gathering place for racists and anti-semites with links to Nazi collaborators and right-wing death squads."

The Council for World Freedom was funded by right-wing tycoon Sun Myung Moon (yes, THAT Rev. Moon), and among its ranks were founding CIA member and Iran-Contra figure John K. Singlaub. While McCain resigned from the organization due to a stated "lack of time," he attended one of its events as late as 1986, and the organization continued to use his name on its letterhead around the same time. The WACL also armed and sent supplies, including boots, to rebels in Afghanistan who would become the Mujahadeen, later the Taliban.

Republicans who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Jesda]

Oh so it's only terrorism if they get introduced into politics? Once again, why are they not in jail...or at least under investigation?

Its terrorism because he set bombs and threatened innocent people to cause fear and further his political agenda.

I think it would be beneficial to look into why Ayers is a free man. The prosecution seriously screwed up, forcing them to let him go.

[telcoman]

I'm bothered by his association with Ayers.

Jesda

No need for you to be bothered if the lead federal prosecutor in the Weatherman case William C. Ibershof is ok with Bill Ayres.

Here is his response to the Republican BS as published in the New York Times

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October 10, 2008LetterProsecuting Weathermen To the Editor:

Re “Politics of Attack” (editorial, Oct. 8) and “Obama and ’60s b0mber: A Look Into Crossed Paths” (front page, Oct. 4):

As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorlst activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

William C. Ibershof

Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008

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Looks like some Nixon Republicans screwed up that case for him

Telcoman

[audtatious]

Where are people trying to associate Obama to Ayers activities when he was 8yo? Obama's association with Ayers is another in a long line of socialists and radicals which have shaped Obama's life. It's pretty smart of the Obama campaign to try and shift things up by saying he's being accused of associating with Ayers during the timeframe of his terrorlst activities when that's not the case at all. Just another way to dismiss the accusations without having to actually address the truth in them.

[telcoman]

Where are people trying to associate Obama to Ayers activities when he was 8yo? Obama's association with Ayers is another in a long line of socialists and radicals which have shaped Obama's life. It's pretty smart of the Obama campaign to try and shift things up by saying he's being accused of associating with Ayers during the timeframe of his terrorlst activities when that's not the case at all. Just another way to dismiss the accusations without having to actually address the truth in them.

Matt:

Did I get the name right this time?

You and the Republicans are beating a dead horse.Obama sat on a board (Woods foundation) with Republicans that was involved in Chicago education. Yes Obama knew Bill Ayres but thats about it.What the McCain campaign is doing by continuing to whine on this issue is to drive more and more undecided voters to Obama. No one believes this BS any more.

Telcoman

[HashiriyaS14]

We can argue about the minutiae of this as much as anyone wants, but that doesn't change the fundamental truth that the vast majority of voters don't care about Ayers.

If they did, McCain's attacks would have been working and he would have continued to press them. Instead, we've seen an almost complete disappearance of those attacks and a new focus on the "wealth spreading" as the McCain campaign desperately tries anything that might work.

And, for what it's worth, the race *does* appear to be tightening a bit, so it might be working some. I still don't think that the vast majority of the population, the people who will receive larger tax cuts under Obama, will vote McCain because it's "fair to rich guys", but it's winning him SOME ground. It might be winning back some conservatives, dunno.