NY Illegal Bumper Height Ticket?

[SlimSlammedRogue]

Has anyone heard of this, I just got one in freeport Long island

[Leo2005]

I'll ask my buddy who is state trooper tomorrow but so far this is all I could find:
Saf-C 3213.07 Steering, Alignment and Suspension. A vehicle shall be rejected if:
(a) A spring, strut or torsion-bar height is not within manufacturer's specifications or if there is a broken spring leaf, spring shackle, or broken sway bar.
(b) On the bounce test, the vehicle continues to oscillate for more than 2 cycles, except on vehicles equipped with gas-pressurized struts and shock absorbers, which show more oscillation than conventional, non-pressurized struts and shocks
(c) The suspension has been altered, and the bottom edge of the horizontal bumper bar:
(1) Is less than 16 inches or more than 20 inches above level ground on a passenger vehicle;
(2) Is less than 16 inches or more than 30 inches on a multipurpose passenger vehicle; or
(3) Is less than 16 inches or more than 30 inches to the bottom of the front or rear frame rails of a pickup truck, measured where the bumpers would be attached by the manufacturer.

[SlimSlammedRogue]

I'll ask my buddy who is state trooper tomorrow but so far this is all I could find:
Saf-C 3213.07 Steering, Alignment and Suspension. A vehicle shall be rejected if:
(a) A spring, strut or torsion-bar height is not within manufacturer's specifications or if there is a broken spring leaf, spring shackle, or broken sway bar.
(b) On the bounce test, the vehicle continues to oscillate for more than 2 cycles, except on vehicles equipped with gas-pressurized struts and shock absorbers, which show more oscillation than conventional, non-pressurized struts and shocks
(c) The suspension has been altered, and the bottom edge of the horizontal bumper bar:
(1) Is less than 16 inches or more than 20 inches above level ground on a passenger vehicle;
(2) Is less than 16 inches or more than 30 inches on a multipurpose passenger vehicle; or
(3) Is less than 16 inches or more than 30 inches to the bottom of the front or rear frame rails of a pickup truck, measured where the bumpers would be attached by the manufacturer.

He took a ruler out and measured from the bumper to the ground. it was a inch and a half

[Rogue One]

So how much is this gonna set you back? I'm guessing $135.00

This is covered under LNY VAT 9-375-48. The full version of the law is at NYS Vehicle & Traffic Law Excerpts http://www.safeny.ny.gov/equi-vt.htm Scroll 2/3 down the page.

[SlimSlammedRogue]

So how much is this gonna set you back? I'm guessing $135.00

This is covered under LNY VAT 9-375-48. The full version of the law is at NYS Vehicle & Traffic Law Excerpts http://www.safeny.ny.gov/equi-vt.htm Scroll 2/3 down the page.

I was planning on putting my license plates on stock silver rogue with no tint and sending it to the court

[followingnfront]

That might work... But damn 1.5" off the ground... Why do you have an SUV again?

[Rogue One]

That might work... But damn 1.5" off the ground... Why do you have an SUV again?

Slim was trying to maximize the SPORT part of SUV. To his credit, he has provided some very useful information from his project, that may well benefit others.

[followingnfront]

That might work... But damn 1.5" off the ground... Why do you have an SUV again?

Slim was trying to maximize the SPORT part of SUV. To his credit, he has provided some very useful information from his project, that may well benefit others.

I agree. Its different, and informative for those who want to lower their Rogues, but I just think there are much better vehicles to "slam".

[ImStricken06]

i have to give you crdit for that poster you posted. hysterical yet super honest. takes mad balls to admit this lolololol no really, you get mad props for the honesty.

In all of my years, i can tell you this much: you found a true stickler. there is always 1 or 2 per 100 officers lol i gotta be honest, i HATE the look of stanced cars. If i took a look at a car, and found it absolutely ridiculous(meaning potentially dangerous) - if was a cop i'd stop it. would i write it? depends on the attitudes i got from the passengers. but i would write a formal warning, so other officers knew of it.

I HAVE A FEELING HIS WAS MEASURING YOUR HEADLIGHTS...

NJ LAW:
1. Raising Vehicle Height: I have not seen anything specifically for "raised bumpers", but if the vehicle passed the lateral standard (tilt test) and is no taller than 13feet 6 inches = its legal. There are laws about head light heights not being above 54 inches off the ground and not less than 24 inches from the ground. Vehicles with any type of suspension lift kit or body lift kit are required to get an elevated vehicle approval certificate
2. Lowering Vehicle: There are laws about head light heights not being less than 24 inches from the ground. Bumpers must not be lower than 16 inches above the ground.(i am not even sure how to measure that. from the middle? from the top?)
2. Wheel Spacers: in NJ, wheel spacers are illegal. its a safety risk i tend to agree with. people's wheels have fallen off due to them!
3. Steering: The number of turns of the steering wheel (lock-to-lock) must be within one half turns of the original steering system.
4. Lighting: When a vehicle is equipped with extra lighting, the maximum number of lights that can be on in the front of the vehicle is 4. Auxiliary off-road lights must be covered when the vehicle is driven on the street.
other:
License plates must not be mounted less than 12 inches nor more than 48 inches from the ground.
If a vehicle's fuel tank is exposed due to suspension or other modifications, it must be protected with a skid plate or protective bar.

NEW YORK LAW: (b) No person shall operate a passenger car registered in NY unless it is equipped with both a frontand rear bumper, each securely fastened and with some part of the bumper located between sixteen inches and twenty inches above the grounded. This provision shall not apply to a vehicle registered as an historical vehicle.
AII 1990-and-newer commercial vehicles and trucks can't get that bumper above 24 inches from the ground. Also keep in mind that headlights must not be more than 54 inches above the cement, and taillights can't be higher than 72 inches. Turn-signal lights can't exceed 83 inches.

[ImStricken06]

I was planning on putting my license plates on stock silver rogue with no tint and sending it to the court

I WAS A COURT OFFICER, AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW- DONT DO IT!
because if you contest this ticket, thus claiming you never modified the suspension, the judge will order a court officer to go outside and look at your car, to then relay that information back to the judge. That officer officer will 99.99% verify the VIN plate on the car you brought to court, against the vehicle ticketed.
Lying for a simple traffic ticket/equipment violation leads to perjury conviction = possible jail. don't do that to yourself. don't turn a simple ticket into a criminal conviction. is it worth it? talk about "penny wise-dollar foolish".

[DTASFAB]

He doesn't have to drive any Rogue to court. If he has a garage, it will be very easy for him to hide his lowered Rogue for a few days, and it's very unlikely the court will follow up.

[ImStricken06]

He doesn't have to drive any Rogue to court. If he has a garage, it will be very easy for him to hide his lowered Rogue for a few days, and it's very unlikely the court will follow up.

you are right, he doenst have to drive it to court. but he will, if he wants to dispute the summons. and he doesn't need to hide his car. there is no warrant for it's arrest. lol

the state has their proof: (enough proof to find him guilty)

• dash cam footage(if the patrol car was equipped)
  the sworn officers' testimony.

so the burden of proof lies upon the defense(SlimSlammedRogue) side

His un-sworn testimony, against a sworn officers claim, is moot. he HAS to provide proof to the court. that means he has to bring his car to court for the court officer, to witness that no modification were in fact made. the court will just reschedule the case, and tell him to show up. they will do this 2-3 times, and then simply find him guilty due to failure to provide proof.

[DTASFAB]

What's to prevent him from raising his Rogue back to factory specs and driving it to court? Whose word would the judge take then?

[ImStricken06]

What's to prevent him from raising his Rogue back to factory specs and driving it to court? Whose word would the judge take then?

meh, tough call.
the officer didnt just witness it, he measured it. tough to dispute a measurement.
tough to claim the officer might have made a eye-ball mistake, when a tape measure was used to confirm the officers initial eye-ball estimate. its like adding insult to injury; you know? if were talking about something like "failure to signal" then you can call the officers "vision" into question.

he would have to make all the repairs, and then reschedule it a couple times in hopes the officer wont show up. its a shot in the dark. and frankly its not worth the extra work. it will cost more in time/labor than to just pay the equipment violation. then you gotta add in the possibility of getting caught lying to a judge, and getting caught = not worth the time nor the hassle, anyway you look at it.

[SlimSlammedRogue]

What's to prevent him from raising his Rogue back to factory specs and driving it to court? Whose word would the judge take then?

meh, tough call.
the officer didnt just witness it, he measured it. tough to dispute a measurement.
tough to claim the officer might have made a eye-ball mistake, when a tape measure was used to confirm the officers initial eye-ball estimate. its like adding insult to injury; you know? if were talking about something like "failure to signal" then you can call the officers "vision" into question.

he would have to make all the repairs, and then reschedule it a couple times in hopes the officer wont show up. its a shot in the dark. and frankly its not worth the extra work. it will cost more in time/labor than to just pay the equipment violation. then you gotta add in the possibility of getting caught lying to a judge, and getting caught = not worth the time nor the hassle, anyway you look at it.

I guess ill just take the loss, It happens

[SlimSlammedRogue]

He pulled me over because my hid was out and I turned it off and back on and it came on before he went around the front of my car to check it, He also gave me tickets for exhaust modification, 2 window tint tickets, and obstuction of view because of my tailored society banner on my windsheild

[followingnfront]

He pulled me over because my hid was out and I turned it off and back on and it came on before he went around the front of my car to check it, He also gave me tickets for exhaust modification, 2 window tint tickets, and obstuction of view because of my tailored society banner on my windsheild

Damn... Now he is much closer to his quota

[SlimSlammedRogue]

He pulled me over because my hid was out and I turned it off and back on and it came on before he went around the front of my car to check it, He also gave me tickets for exhaust modification, 2 window tint tickets, and obstuction of view because of my tailored society banner on my windsheild

Damn... Now he is much closer to his quota

Fugg it, you pay to play, and yes i am taking full advantage of the SPORT in suv

[ImStricken06]

we(those who mod our cars in illegal ways) are not victims. its a risk we all knew going in. just pay it, and move on. dont make it out to be worse than it really is. think of this as your way to pay your taxes for smoother roads while riding in a lowered car LOL