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A load of crock and lies from the Republicans. Absolutely no one "forced them" to exercise the nuclear option to approve the Supreme Court Justice. They refused to even discuss it with anyone on the other side, insisting they had to ram Trump's pick down everyone's throat. Simply put, if you don't have the votes to approve, don't change the rules of the game after it is underway. Have your vote; if the pick doesn't get enough votes there are plenty of other options. Have the President make another pick or even the same pick again. If you insist on removing all bipartisanship in the Senate, change the rules before he makes the next pick.

What goes around, comes around. The Republicans are really going to regret what they have done when they are no longer the party holding the majority of seats.


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I agree. it really was a rather disheartening and selfish move by the RNC. It's become obvious that in today's politics, party comes before country. Very sad. Though the fact Merrick Garland, who had been previously approved by both parties for a judgeship, didn't even get a SCOTUS hearing was a shameful hint of the depth of the putrid partisan pettiness. If there's a good case for term limits in Washington, this is it.

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Unfortunately, as we've seen in California, term limits don't help. The seats then become held by the party and its money. As lower level politicians get "term-limited" out of their offices the ones who have sold their souls to the party just run for a higher office. The party funds their election to the next office. By the time they get to the federal House or Senate they are already well established as sell-outs to the party.

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By Bob Dole and Trent Lott April 6 at 11:57 AM

Bob Dole, a Republican from Kansas, was the Senate majority leader from 1985 to 1987 and 1995 to 1996 and the Republican nominee for president in 1996. Trent Lott, a Republican from Mississippi, was Senate majority leader from 1996 to 2001.

For weeks now we have heard the erroneous claim that Supreme Court nominees require 60 votes for Senate confirmation, rather than a simple majority. In reality, the Constitution and long-standing precedent require nothing of the kind. Now it is time to end the farce and call the roll.

Some have described abolishing filibusters for Supreme Court nominees as the “nuclear option,” a phrase first employed when Democrats were blocking President George W. Bush’s judicial nominees and the Republican leadership was ready to change the Senate’s rules to stop the obstruction. A more apt term might be the “Reid option,” as suggested by law professor Glenn Reynolds. It was then-Majority Leader Harry Reid, after all, who used this approach in 2013 to end filibusters for all executive-branch and judicial nominees below the Supreme Court. Or we could call it the “constitutional option,” since the Constitution provides that each house of Congress shall determine the rules of its proceedings, which the first Senate did by majority vote.

Whatever the label, if Democrats insist on denying Judge Neil Gorsuch the same up-or-down vote that Republicans gave to Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, it is time Senate Republicans dismissed the judicial filibuster for what it is today — a power play dressed up as inviolable tradition.

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Rogue - The argument between 51 or 60 votes is legitimate but it is not one that should be resolved and applied to the current nominee. Any change should be applied to the next appointment.

Dole's first sentence in his final paragraph should read, "Whatever the label, Democrats insist on denying Judge Neil Gorsuch the same up-or-down vote that Republicans denied Merrick Garland."

While I would never expect it to happen, it would be interesting if Gorsuch were to now turn down the appointment, citing that the change in the rules to specifically get him on the court will forever taint his position on the court.

Bear in mind I have no opposition to Gorsuch as a jurist or Justice. His appointment to the SC would be fine with me if he were approved under the rules he was nominated under.

The politicization of the Supreme Court to the extent that it has now reached is a terrible thing for our country.

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Here's an excellent take on the issue from someone who's a lot more qualified than any of us:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la ... story.html

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Cry me a river. The petulant Dems just threw a fit to throw a fit. The Repubs are playing by the Dems rule book, and now that the tables are turned they wanna cry foul? Cue the world’s smallest violin playing the world’s saddest song just for them.
From The Libertarian Republic

Gorsuch’s hearings began with a day of opening statements. In effect, this meant around eight hours of Senators of both parties grandstanding, and Gorsuch delivering a short statement at the end. Committee Republicans hailed Gorsuch as a paragon of the Constitution and written law. Democrats on the committee responded by attacking Gorsuch’s stances on Hobby Lobby, Chevron, and a few other issues. They also complained about Merrick Garland, a lot.

In the following days of the hearing, Gorsuch fielded accusatory questions from Democrats and repeated softballs from Republicans. Gorsuch was nothing, if not consistent. When questioned about previous decisions, Gorsuch gave detailed answers explaining his legal reasoning. At times, these explanations led to ridiculous exchanges, including former comedian Sen. Franken (MN) attempting to stump Gorsuch on legal principles (pocket sized book in hand).

While Democrats managed to hold their caucus together and maintain the forty-one required votes to maintain a filibuster, Republicans finished the process started by Democrats during the Obama Administration: ‘The Nuclear Option’.

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Cry a river about what?

Of course the Dems threw a fit to throw a fit. Obstruct in any way they can for the sake of it. Exactly what the Republicans have done in recent years. It's amazing the appalling depths of pettiness and lack of actually working for the people it has reached.

You, I and others can argue the chicken and the egg case all day long and it will accomplish absolutely nothing productive, which is what our politicians have done for years. The real debate should be how to reestablish our government to be "of the people, by the people and FOR the people"

Neither party nor the elected members of those parties deserve the trust and praise of the American people.

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srellim234 wrote:...You, I and others can argue the chicken and the egg case all day long and it will accomplish absolutely nothing productive, which is what our politicians have done for years...

Neither party nor the elected members of those parties deserve the trust and praise of the American people.
Agreed. I just remember the old saying "How can you tell when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving."

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How refreshing would it be to now have Senate Republicans take the high road with something to the affect of, "Now we've all learned first hand the repercussions of these actions. Let's roll back the nuclear options that both we and the Democrats employed, restoring some moderation and bipartisanship to our chamber. Let's pass this rollback with a provision that this, too, will require 60 votes to change." I could see a lot of moderates and independent voters viewing such a move as the Republicans becoming the adults in the room and swinging future votes their way.

But then again, I don't think I've ever heard anyone in either party on the congressional level even suggest they should take the high road and do something reasonable.


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