This 'school walkout' thing is giving me serious '1984' vibes.
Schools are sanctioning it, so it isn't actually a walkout. It's actually students conforming to the government authority by speaking a government-approved opinion in a government-approved venue. And that opinion is that they should have their own rights taken away by the government whose opinion they are expressing.
You have students marching with the sanction of the state to demand less freedom from the state... and everyone is pretending that their doing so is somehow brave and rebellious.
Although I agree with you in entirety that you will do what it takes to protect your family, let me throw so data your direction to help disprove your points. According to the FBI https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... 9-2013.xls there were 8,454 violent crimes involving firearms in the year 2013. Per the ATF https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/doc ... 7/download there were 10,844,792 firearms manufactured in that same year. That means that .0007795447 of those firearms were used in a violent crimes (assuming that those 8,454 weapons were manufactured in that year). So since Californians are so big on "don't let a few bad apples ruin it for everyone", this should essentially support the argument that guns aren't the problem but people are. We don't blame alcohol for drunk drivers, or silverware for obesity, why blame guns for a few inept individuals? Not to mention, typically, these firearms are taken from law abiding citizens and then used in crimes. If you're so concerned with protecting your family, don't rely on the awesome response time from LEO's. Take a CCW course and arm yourself. The 1048 FPS from a .45 ACP is going to be a hell of a lot faster than dialing 911. I'm tired of people "protesting" my right to carry and own firearms. If someone doesn't want to own or carry one, then don't. There is no need to try and push your thoughts on someone else and tell them how to live. If you really want to stop gun violence, proper parenting is key. Education is what is going to stop these situations, not attempting to ban firearms. The shear fact that "NRA needs to be labeled a terrorlst organization" discussions across the web are happening, just goes to show that instead of doing proper homework and educating yourself, people are pushing their way of life on others. Everyone has their opinion, I can respect that, but quick trying to push the BS on myself and others.srellim234 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:41 am=In my instance there is no "too much" as long as it stays peaceful. I still have a child who will be in a public high school for the next two years. I have a wife who just retired from 26 years in full time law enforcement on the streets of L.A. County and is still working part time as a bailiff in the court system. Politically the NRA continues to support anarchy with regards to guns in this country. That puts my family at risk and I will protest their political obstruction of responsible gun laws all day, every day to protect my family.
Whereas I agree with this statement, I am 100% for responsible gun ownership, I have to disagree. Here in good ole Alabama if you want a permit you go to the sheriff's office fill out a piece of paper and go get your permit 3 days later... that's it. To me this is stupid. I spent 8 year in the Marines so I feel like I have a grasp on how to handle a firearm but just because you breath in the good ole USA doesn't mean your a capable of ownership. I think you should have to have: training, mental evaluation, and registration in the least. However how do you keep the government from taking advantage of those measures? How do you keep an administration like the previous from simply denying ownership for any and all reasons?srellim234 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:38 amMurders and attempted murders are going to happen. It's been going on since Cain and Abel. It's an ugly fact of life and no law is going to stop it. We do, however, have an opportunity on a national scale to slow down the mass shootings by partially removing and otherwise limiting the number of the tools they use to conduct such incidents.
Disagree.srellim234 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:38 ameven if it was after the laws were passed the kid should not have been able to get his hands on it
Home protection.srellim234 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:18 pmWhat everyday, utilitarian purpose does a semiautomatic weapon serve?
Are you only concerned about guns in schools? Did you know that on May 18, 1927, a man named Andrew Kehoe blew up the school in Bath Township, Mich. Most of the 44 killed were children. It remains the deadliest attack on a school in U.S. history. It is also regularly left out of accounts of terrorism in America. Could that be because it doesn't fit the anti-gun narrative?Rogue One wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:31 amTo borrow an old phrase, gun laws are made for honest people. Psychopaths determined to kill won't be stopped by any law. You could arrest and execute the entire NRA leadership, disband the organization, and it still won't stop mass killings.
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The real elephant in the room is the mental health crisis, and until that's dealt with we're not going to make any real progress.
To support your argument Greg....
What is left to take? Gun ownership in those countries are next to non existent. So I guess you could say, yes their government didn't overreach... because they took it all and there was nothing left to grab...srellim234 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:25 amAustralia, England and Germany have all instituted restrictions without government escalation. We can do the same in this country.
Choices are good. Freedom is good. I won't question your choices, you don't question mine. Ask your spouse what makes the most sense.srellim234 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:35 pmAZ - Home protection choice here is a 12 gauge pump action coupled with bolt actions, etc.
Naturally. But to suggest...srellim234 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:35 pmYes, we have my wife's semi-auto handgun. She is a properly trained law enforcement officer who is required by the department to qualify monthly on the range and undergoes additional training quarterly at the minimum.
Likewise, you should be held accountable if (God forbid) she's ever involved in a 'bad shoot.' I'd also like to suggest that you be held fully accountable if your teenage daughter hits a pedestrian with her car. And why would I be liable for her removing my gun from my home? Liable for what? Who was harmed? And again, who's gonna enforce that? You just created ANOTHER level of government, and last I checked, they suck at their job.srellim234 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:35 pmyou need to be held accountable if one of your grandchildren winds up with the gun or your daughter takes it out of the home.
Lower than prior decades? How is that not acceptable? Steve, we covered this. You're letting the media tell you how to think again. Stats don't lie.srellim234 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:35 pmMass shootings the way they are happening and at the frequency they occur is unacceptable.
To who? Some assclown who eats tofu and kale and believes that turnips scream when they're pulled from the ground? Yeah. They're gonna be super-knowledgable about coyotes (and javelina, and wolves, and bobcats... ) I'm sure they'll approve that RIGHT AWAY. "Call 911, roll up in a ball, and wait for Animal Control to arrive." LOL
*sigh* Wait, what? Are we losing you to utter panicked disarmament lunacy after all the ground we gained?srellim234 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:35 pmMultiple shooters have been stopped this year by unarmed people.
That's better. Calling things "bull puckey" without clear evidence of said "puckey" is telco-level. You know where I stand, but I'm here to keep you honest, even when you're debating someone who talks funny.
Wait what? Bolt action for home defense? Have you ever drove your car by a gun shop and blew the horn? A bolt action rifle is not for home defense, most if not all (excluding firearms that were made 100 years ago) are for target shooting or hunting. I have several bolt action rifles and would consider myself proficient with them, but during a home invasion I would not want to try and cycle the bolt to ward of a criminal. Again most of the people who tell you we don't need firearms don't wield them nor have they every found themselves in a combat/hostile situation where they relied on them. Even for trained persons its a very stressful situation.srellim234 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:35 pmAZ - Home protection choice here is a 12 gauge pump action coupled with bolt actions, etc...