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cdkilla
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My buddy has a s13 with a ca18det swap we rebuilt and got running a couple months ago. He was driving the other day and the car up and died and now we can't get it to start. It will crank all day and won't even pop over.

We checked and he's getting fuel to the rail, plugs are all firing and according to the noid lights, the injectors are being pulsed. Pulled a plug and couldn't smell any fuel on it, leading us to believe a lack of fuel.

The noid lights on the other hand, are telling us the injectors are being pulsed. What are the chances of all four injectors failing at once? Or completly loosing compression? When it died on him it acted like his CAS had failed because it's happened before, but he's getting spark/fuel. Oh and we pulled the timing cover, the motor is mechanicly in time, as well as the CAS in time.

Any help would be great.


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try checking the fuel pressure. how did you check to see that fuel is getting to the rail?

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Fuel pressure is around 40psi. Know fuel is getting to the rail because we pulled the in line off the fuel rail and had fuel.

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cdkilla wrote:My buddy has a s13 with a ca18det swap we rebuilt and got running a couple months ago. He was driving the other day and the car up and died and now we can't get it to start. It will crank all day and won't even pop over.

We checked and he's getting fuel to the rail, plugs are all firing and according to the noid lights, the injectors are being pulsed. Pulled a plug and couldn't smell any fuel on it, leading us to believe a lack of fuel.

The noid lights on the other hand, are telling us the injectors are being pulsed. What are the chances of all four injectors failing at once? Or completly loosing compression? When it died on him it acted like his CAS had failed because it's happened before, but he's getting spark/fuel. Oh and we pulled the timing cover, the motor is mechanicly in time, as well as the CAS in time.

Any help would be great.
Spray starter fluid down in the throttle body and see if it fires. This engine combo is notorious for having fueling issues. If you have fire, it should run when you spray the starter fluid. If it runs, turn your attention to battery power, grounding, or the ecu itself.

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What kind of Fueling issues? If I spray starter fluid into the throttle body, it will fire because I have good spark, so what will that tell me?

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It might be also that there is a lot of fuel on the cylinders after a number of failures to start up...so try to do this1.remove spark plugs.2.remove ECU.3.start up the engine with full throttle for max 10sec.Someone has to be up the engine with a towel or something to clean the fuel that will pop up:p4.Now reconnect all the parts that u removed clean the spark plugs or use new ones and try to start the engine again.

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cdkilla wrote:What kind of Fueling issues? If I spray starter fluid into the throttle body, it will fire because I have good spark, so what will that tell me?
It will tell you that your injectors are not being pulsed upon starting or maybe that your ecu is not on during the cranking event or maybe that your fuel pump is not on during the cranking event. It may also tell if your ecu is bad or may have a bad injector driver. So spray the starter fluid and see what it does. Since you said you're getting spark, I'll safely rule-out that your crank angle sensor is faulty. You wanted the advice and now I'm giving you that in which you seek. Good luck with this problem.

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Thanks.I'm pretty sure the injectors are being fired on account of the noid lights...Unless there not working mechanically? I've still got to try the mentioned procedures, and then I'll update something more thoroughly.

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Update.

The key on the cam is broken to align the CAS, but I am still certain the CAS is in time.

Any Help?

On my way to try the starter fluid now...

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Starter fluid, still won't even pop over.

Checked the ECU for codes, and it keeps throwing a code "34" at us, which isn't a code as far as my service information goes. Anyone heard of this code "34"?

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Found the code 34, should have searched. My service info at school doesn't even list it...

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BUMP

So The key on the exhaust cam for the CAS is broken... I can still get the CAS in time right?

We have spark, fuel and mechanically timed....but no fire...

Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!

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Any help with The CAS?????

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Sprayed ether, nothing happened.

Wondering about the CAS? What is the timing procedure for the CAS?

Any help PLEASE?

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cdkilla wrote:BUMP

So The key on the exhaust cam for the CAS is broken... I can still get the CAS in time right?

We have spark, fuel and mechanically timed....but no fire...

Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!
If the key on the exhaust cam is broken, you'll need to get another exhaust cam. Your computer is reading code 34 because either your knock sensor is not hooked-up or your ecu is not sensing any input from the CAS which causes a failsafe fault. Please don't post again on this topic until you've replaced the defective camshaft because the engine is not going to function properly, regardless if what you think it can possibly do. It needs the key to keep the engine's timing on time. Just because the CAS's shaft has a seal that creates some friction with the camshaft, it is not enough to keep the engine in time.

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Thanks SO much boost_boy!

I'm so tired of watching this car sit, but at least my friend got his 86.5 supra running so I don't have to pick him up all the time now!

I wasn't trying to make anyone upset by repeatedly posting, I just couldn't find anything searching for the past couple hours and was getting impatient.

Anyone Have an exhaust cam they would sell me?


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cdkilla wrote:Thanks SO much boost_boy!

I'm so tired of watching this car sit, but at least my friend got his 86.5 supra running so I don't have to pick him up all the time now!

I wasn't trying to make anyone upset by repeatedly posting, I just couldn't find anything searching for the past couple hours and was getting impatient.

Anyone Have an exhaust cam they would sell me?
No problem man, just trying to help. I really hate to see members be hard-headed and don't listen to possible to solutions to their issues when we're actually trying to prevent them from getting so frustrated that they sell their cars or engines. Good luck with that cam and i'll check my stash to see what I have when I get home.

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Awesome man, Thanks!


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