Nitrous on a ka2de for drifing ?

[spencer240sx]

I was wondering is anyone has and insight on this.. My car is a track only car and i dont care about always refilling the bottles..My ? is can the motor safely handle say a 55 shot that is only activated at full thottle just to give me a little more power.. i want to keep the car as reliabe as posable... Last year did 10 track days on stock ka24e till it finally let go now i got a ka24de did one event so far only got a header and exhust was great to have a little extra power now want just a little more for bigger tracks..want to stay away from ka-t just thougt that on smaller tracks i could just not use nitrous to save motor.. any help would be great thanks

[asoomal]

Just slap on some s***ty tires :P

[E7-S14]

go for it.tell us how it works out

[RustspecS13]

I doubt it would work out all that well.

A KA can handle a 50 shot no problem but think about what happens when you modulate the throttle. That last 2% of pedal travel will give 50WHP more, and then you might spin, or you back off and your back down to NA KA, touch it again and 50+

I have only heard of one guy drifting with nitrous and he was running 70-80's RWD toyotas and very weird setups. He was also a seasoned drifter and blew up lots of motors from i dont know what exactly.

Whats the rest of your car like? I drifted with my SOHC for 2 1/2 years. the first half of that was with a no power mod SOHC KA, just a kaaz 2 way and drop springs/struts. My new car has old cusco coils, same diff, header cat back and intake and its worlds better. Mostly because of the coils though.

~Alex

[blacksrjdm]

Nitrous and drifing shouldnt be in the same sentence...

Nitrous is meant for full throttle pulls. Nitrous will do you no good at half throttle mid drift. With nitrous you will have less control, and if you start bouncing off the rev limiter with nitrous, say goodbye to your engine... Doesnt sound like the best of ideas. Why not just get an ebay turbo kit? Power at your foot instead of at a button...

[VirginiaPS13]

Sounds like a pretty horrible idea to me

[spencer240sx]

My car is on tein drift spec coils and all control arms and braces and all that good stuff welded diff. car it self is pretty set up for my driving style..learning on a single cam was probley the best thing i could have done learned to go full out and clutch kick when needed and get used to using left foot breaking and as i upgraded to twincam i keep same driving style but now just more angle i am ordering the PBM angle kit next.. but when u used to have a civic in 1998 i got the ZEX kit that only activated at wideopen car felt like when kit was on it was compared to full and half thottle not really a sudden bust.. that is what was getting me thinking if this.. anyway i guess i will just try it out if it does not work out there are still alot of drag guys that i can sell the kit too.. P.S. i guess someone on here did answer my question the ka24de can handel a 55 shot.. thanks guys for the insight..Spencer

[spencer240sx]

Sorry to add i just had a tought as for as turbos go compared N/a they also have a power on power off thing spool time but we get used to it i think the same will go for nos.. my thinking is that i know the surge of power in comming on at full thottle i will be able to adjust to it via steering same as when i drove my friends Sr20det car he had a larger turbo with good amount of delay in power i had adjust to the lag and the large power surge i just kept the rpms way higher.. i dont really know if my thinking is correct on this but if it is cool if it is not boo for me. i guess trial and error is the best way to learn..lol see u all at the track..

[troskinatior]

your going to blow your engine and soon as you hit the rev limiter

[spencer240sx]

why is that? does nissan use a fuel cut or a spark cut ans there rev limiter i dont know..

[Razi]

Fuel cut.

[spencer240sx]

Aw crap lol Does the bee r rev limeter use spark as a limiterif so could i get that and set it to go off right before fuel cut ?

[tctomasc]

bee r and msd are some that will spark cut. Factory WILL NEVER spark cut as it DUMPS fuel into the cat. BTW please make an effort to type legibly. your grammar is awful and makes me not even want to attempt to read and help you.

[spencer240sx]

^^^ thanks for the info i will look into the MSD ..sorry for the grammer i am sneaking in my post at work lol

[spank044]

your going to blow your engine and soon as you hit the rev limiter

OP, don't listen to half the crap people type on here because most of them have never run nitrous or high boost and think that your motor will blow up because it happened to someone else. A KA with proper jetting, fuel, and bottle pressure can handle up to a 125hp shot on stock internals. Nitrous is a safe and affordable way to increase power and a lot of people fear it because of the horror stories from big multi-stage nitrous failures and improperly tuned setups.

Before I went KA-t I was using a direct port 75 and hit the rev limiter many times while road racing and my engine never blew. I am a nitrous junkie, I have refilled both of my 10 lb bottles maybe 15 times this year all while running 24psi boost.

I had a Turbonetics Super T series turbo on my Ka-t for a long time that wouldn't hit full boost until 5200 rpm so I used a 125 shot for faster spool up and 60' foot times. Along with a wide open throttle switch to activate and a Hobbs switch to shut off the nitrous at 15 psi. Then it shut off until I shifted and dropped boost. This year I used a HY35 and the 125 shot of nitrous with out the Hobbs switch turning it off and had no problems.

The factory does use a fuel cut setup, but with a wet injection setup you should be fine theoretically since you still have a fuel supply along with the nitrous. The only thing you really need to be aware of is timing and overheating.

[blacksrjdm]

Spank, do you drift with the nitrous. I doubt it. Nitrous is the greatest and cheapest way to make power at the drag strip. I have run nitrous in 240's, and in Honda's. Only in straight line or highway pulls. I would never use nitrous to drift because i bounce off the limiter often in long drifts, and if I was spraying at that time I can guarantee that my engine wouldnt have lasted through the day. I was running 18 lbs on a SR20DET with a GT2871r turbo and never had any issues after tune.

OP, using a turbo engine is better for drifting because once the turbo spools and the power is there it doesnt run out. With nitrous, because of the instantanious power at full throttle, u will hit full throttle, spin the tires and get the angle, but when you need the power to continue the drift you wont have the power to continue the drift. And if you hit the full throttle again, you will spin out because of the nitrous. Also, if you kick the clutch on nitrous, expect something to blow. Also, if nitrous is activated and you kick the clutch then it will be too much of a boost of power and will be perfecting the art of spinning out.

Another benefit of turbo or even N/A is that once the power is there, its there. Theres no, "my bottle ran out" or " I coulnt keep the drift going cause no power at half throttle" or "would have spun because nitrous is too much for the angle your at". I just dont see a benefit of niotrous in the drifting world, and that may be why there are no d1 or formula drift drivers that have nitrous on their cars.

Unless this is gonna be a multi stage setup that allows for a smaller jetted shot at 3/4 throttle or something like that, I just dont see a use for nitrous in drifting. Its obvious that there are conflicting opinions here. But like I said, if nitrous was a good source of power for drifting then you would see more pro drivers using the nitrous. I would say that the only reason that nitrous would be beneficial to a drifter would be a long high speed drift in say 5th gear and u need that little bump to spool the turbo and keep the wheels spinning, but even then it would be a small shot so that the car is controlable.

Guys with nitrous should use it on the drag strip or the local street race, but a nitrous drift car just doesnt sound very feasable or very controllable.

Modified by blacksrjdm at 9:04 AM 12/4/2009
Modified by blacksrjdm at 9:07 AM 12/4/2009

[Driftsamurai]

I just dont see a benefit of niotrous in the drifting world, and that may be why there are no d1 or formula drift drivers that have nitrous on their cars.

there are d1 drivers using nitrous on their cars, i know of a couple

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-g7gmd0i8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu2aL30i1fY

[spencer240sx]

So i am going to get a wet system run around a 55 shot and get a msd rev limiter.. wish me luck and thank you everyone that gave me insight...

[spank044]

Spank, do you drift with the nitrous.

I don't drift. It makes me a little unhappy when people assume I drift because I own a 240sx. Mine is a high 10's car that goes straight fast. Don't get me wrong, I think drifting is some neat stuff especially when it is done at 60mph and when the cars are a couple feet apart. I can slide my car sideways around corners better than most people I have seen in my area, but I don't call it drifting. I wouldn't even give half of the so-called drifters on here any credit. I don't even like it when people tell me that I drift good, I just don't think others and I deserve the title. I know there is a handful on here that can slide great, but for the most part there are no future D-1 competitors in the mix. OP, it is a good decision because that added power that quick with some proper technique will help you tremendously. Good luck. Are you doing a direct port or single fogger?

[spencer240sx]

going to do a fogger to start out if all works out good i may upgrade with new pistions and go with a direct port system and a bigger shot..Option if all works good get a 2 stage, kinda backwords bigger stage for speed on sraight via button then smaller thottle activated for the turns..sounds kinda weird but really only thing i lack is speed on the straights...Smaller tracks that r more tech. dont cause me problems but tracks with big speed i get left behind lol

[usdm_anon]

[mrgreeneyes]

a handful of eastcoast guys use nitrous on NA drift cars with good success. matt petty runs spray on his 13B powered AE86 and says that its awesome.

[blacksrjdm]

I know matt petty isnt spraying his s13. And I would like clarification on spray in a 13b powered AE86. He might use it to help spool the giant turbo, but he isnt using it mid drift.

Spank, what I was trying to get at is if you dont drift then your drag racing experience with nitrous means little to nothing, seeing that drag racing and drifting are two very different forms of driving and require two different kinds of skill.

OP, good luck with the nitrous drift car. Personally, I felt I had enough power with my KA to drift very successfully. I only added more power because the KA didnt hold up to the drifting without turbo. I blew two of them. I say you get some cams, flywheel, clutch, setup the suspension and beef up the mounts and bushings, take some weight out of the car and you will have plenty of power and handling. Nitrous really isnt going to be a good way to make power on a drift car because nitrous is either there or it isnt. Its not variable power that can be controlled.

[dsm turned nismo]

your going to blow your engine and soon as you hit the rev limiter

If u use a correctly calibrated wet shot he should be fine because u r adding enough fuel to compensate for the extra oxygen