Smockers83:

The road I use is perhaps the smoothest around where I live----zero houses, almosty zero cars before 11 am in the monring on weekends. You think i am in the business of destroying my suspension with dirt road? BTW, none of my friends will ride with me in the car so that I can get a good video clip. They say my driving is too violent for their comfort. Sorry, I wish I could get pics and video for you.

Jacko3 wrote:Minmey15:

You said, "Jacko, we have been talking about the speed where you need brake to transer the weight. Throttle is one way to transfer the weight, but braking is, too. Like C-Kwik is saying, not just slowing down.

You can drive up to certain speed by throttle, but after certain speed, you need to use brake to transfer the weight. I guess speed range we are talking about have been different all along."

So what do you call fast---30 miles per hour, 90 miles per hour, 100 miles per hour? Mind you, on the road I am talking about, I don't come of any corners at less than 70 miles per hour. So, you can imagine hoiw much more faster I was actually going out of tyhe corner.

I understand very well how to transfer weight with breaking and throttle. I just prefer to use the throttle which I find more predictable, however, it requires more precise timing. With the braking method, especially with the G-35 Coupe, its rear can easily give way. With another type of car, this may not be the case. My driving depends on the car I am driving and not on any traditonal laid out plan. I drive with the car and not with what I have been told. Each car handles differently.

So what you go to 70 MPH? That doesn't say anything! It all depends on how tight the corner is. I sometimes go into this corner(180 dgree very small corner) going 70MPH and pull the e-brake, start drifting. Nothing like drifting the whole corner!

Sorry, got sidetracked. But like others are suggesting, try race tracks. I am sure it'll wake you up. I believe street driving and racj racing is different, but I do agree that track is the safest place to learn high performance driving. Jacko, if you really know what you are talking about, you would never have said that G35 and 350Z are handling machine developed for tracks and twisties. And if you know how important brake is, then you would never have said that people have different ways or whatever. We all have different driving style, but we all use brakes! Your not using brakes only suggest that you are not driving fast enough! Sure, just by using throttle, I can go to Stinson Beach and beat most of the people out there. But here, you are talking to people who have track experience. Your talk doesn't do magic.

You drive with the car, not what you've been told. Good one! We all once used to be a hot sot who was just wreckless like you. But most of us had a instructor, or someone or some source that taught us high performance driving, and went to tracks, twisties, or whatever to improve our skill. But you are some kinda G35 coupe specialist? Each car handles differently, but method of driving does not change. Even when I drive FWD, RR, MR, AWD, I still do not change my basic driving style. Just little detail when I start to slide or whatever.

And it all makes sense now. V35 must be your first RWD or possibly first car ever, right? That's why you don't know how to drive it. The speed you are going, your rear should not break even when you use brake That only proves your input to throttle and brake are rough. And how would I know your speed? Because you are just using throttle and still making it home. You are not going that fast. Maybe faster than other people out there, but when you talk to people with track experience, your speed is considered low. Because we all know, that when you get up to certain speed, you cannot just use throttle and make it out of gorner.

Do you know what heel and toe or proper line is? Maybe you should start from there.

Here he goes again.

I feel like we're in one of those horrible alternate dimensions from the twilight zone and Jacko is the Wizard of OZ (That's not a compliment!).

I'm surprised one of the staff hasn't pwned yet. It seems that our experience (some of us having modified or raced for years) can't touch Jacko's spiritual connection with his G.

Sentientbydesign:

Yes, I feel and fill up that car like I feel and fill up that young eastern call girl.

Dude, that car is a dream. Enjoy it! Take it to its limits. You won't regret it!

This forum is for enthusiasts. I hope you enjoy your car the way i do. That's why I give my car the best. Oh, also stay away from Bridgestone Potenza tires. They are dangerous and useless judging in comparison with Toyo tires

Minmey15:

Thanks for teaching me how to drive, Mr. Schumacher.

You are so good and I am so bad and reckless. You know, it would be nice if you took time to enjoy your car rather than try to tell someone else what and how they should drive their car. Did I ever tell you what to do with your car? So, what's your problem, Michael Schumacher? Why do you make unfounded assumptions about what you think I know or don't know? You are a funny chap!

Also, as an advice to you, when people fail to agree with you or see your point of view, don't assume they are weird. Respect those differences and see the uniqueness in their point of view. May not always be great but it is still a point of view, nonetheless.


Modified by Jacko3 at 4:06 PM 4/30/2008

Sentientbydesign wrote:

Minmey,

Please don't take this as me tell you what to do, but you'll soon find that debating with Jacko is like trying to look at the back of your head without a mirror. You keep turning, but so does it.

What scares me is that we have a huge following of readers who aren't members and who probably are new to cars. If any of them take Jacko's comments at face value, they could run into some serious problems.

Sentient,

I wouldn't think you are telling me what to do. Jacko is what you stated to be. But it is kina fun listenning to him though. I am curious of what he says next.

I see what you are saying. Maybe someone might think G35 are developed by Nissan engineers to win at tracks, and using brakes when driving G35 coupe fast is no good.... I remember he was saying somewhere that he is thinking about becoming a test driver. I wish it's that easy. then I wanna become a WRC driver...

I'm more concerned about the generalized blanket statements he makes, like the determined longevity of our cars based on driving style.

Nothing ever comes across as an opinion, just a statement of nearly erroneous (if not completely erroneous) facts.

Jacko,

There is such a thing as opinion and fact. No relativity here. When the vast majority (including experts-defined by success and experience) agree on an opinion, it is generally accepted as fact.

Your driving style and opinion of your possesed G35 differ greatly from both the general opinion of other (with far more experience than you) and facts.

Have a nice day!

Jacko3 wrote:Minmey15:

Thanks for teaching me how to drive, Mr. Schumacher.

You are so good and I am so bad and reckless. You know, it would be nice if you took time to enjoy your car rather than try to tell someone else what and how they should drive their car. Did I ever tell you what to do with your car? So, what's your problem, Michael Schumacher? Why do you make unfounded assumptions about what you think I know or don't know? You are a funny chap!

Jacko, you can do what you wish with your car. That's fine. Noone here is arguing that. But I tend to believe that you over exaggerate your driving abilities and your "skill" here. I've pointed it out before in "that other thread" that the techniques you describe scream out that you really don't know what performance driving is. Sure, you can take any car through a turn quickly enough and even accelerate hard every chance you get. But when attacking a race track, these individual perfomance values mean nothing. It's how well you chain them together that makes up the hundredths of seconds of difference in lap times between the world's top drivers. Now certainly, I don't think we need to be race car quality drivers to enjoy some fast paced driving, but even as amateur racers or whatnot, emulating them as best as possible is what is going to net you the best performance you can out of your car.

Now don't take this as a challenge to out there and over drive your car and hurt or kill yourself in the process. I'm perfectly content going down a twisty road at 7/10ths pace and just having some fun. But I won't say that doing so is pushing myself or my car all that much. I save that mainly for the racetrack and an occasional fun onramp/offramp.

Jacko3 wrote:Also, as an advice to you, when people fail to agree with you or see your point of view, don't assume they are weird. Respect those differences and see the uniqueness in their point of view. May not always be great but it is still a point of view, nonetheless.

Respect doesn't mean one has to let your statements go unchecked or unchallenged. As long as noone is belting out personal insults, it's just a debate of facts and opinions.

However, in regards to this debate, believe me, you have a lot to learn about driving. More than you realize. Ask anyone who has been on a race track. It's a humbling experience the first time you're out there...

Well said Chano.... I knew you would come in with a voice of reason and practical information.

Jacko Here is the corrected link from an earlier post.http://www.nasaproracing.comI suggest that You check it out, and try one of the HPDE events.You will have fun,learn a lot, and improve Your driving skills.You might even like it so much, that You take up racing as a new hobby.

Jacko3 wrote:Minmey15:

You used the word "teach", and yet you claim most of us are adults. You don't teach adults. You try to reason with them. I don't beleive anyone here is an assigned teacher to anyone else here. If I need teaching, I know where to get it. Like I said before, to each his own.

If you love to drive with brakes at all times, be my guest. I don't, if I can avoid it. I would rather take advanatge of the vehicles momentum (mass X velocity) to maneuver the vehicle around curves than waste my time placing my trust on brakes. Again, to each his own. And yes, I have mastered the behavior of my car which happens to be a 2007 G-35 Coupe, and I love it. This helps me to know the limits of the car. I don't beleive Infiniti writes a manual on the limits and handling of the G-35 Coupe. We all have to find it out for ourselves, won't we?

Who said adults don't get taught? I learn new things at work by others, or teach things. I used a word "teach," but I was telling you the fact about brakes that you have no clue of. And since you are saying waste your time on brake, again, it proves you are not going fast enough.

You mastered behavior of your car? You experienced brake fade for the first time, but you have already mastered the car? Very interesting...

Jacko3 wrote:Minmey15:

Thanks for teaching me how to drive, Mr. Schumacher.

You are so good and I am so bad and reckless. You know, it would be nice if you took time to enjoy your car rather than try to tell someone else what and how they should drive their car. Did I ever tell you what to do with your car? So, what's your problem, Michael Schumacher? Why do you make unfounded assumptions about what you think I know or don't know? You are a funny chap!

Also, as an advice to you, when people fail to agree with you or see your point of view, don't assume they are weird. Respect those differences and see the uniqueness in their point of view. May not always be great but it is still a point of view, nonetheless.

Modified by Jacko3 at 4:06 PM 4/30/2008

When did I tell you how to drive your car? I just said that the fact that you think G35 coupe and 350Z are developed for tracks and twisties are wrong, and that it is very important to learn how to control brakes. Without fully controlling brakes, you cannot drive fast.

And I do enjoy driving. I enjoy driving in the city with my music on, occasional twisties, and drifting. I enjoy driving at any speed.

There are differences in cars' setup or driving style, but your idea of G35 being race car like, and your idea of braking is simply weird. And it is impposible to drive at race track and compete with others with your driving style. That is the fact, and not the opinion. Listen to other people. Am I the only one saying that? Actually, we all have similar view of high performance driving, though little detail may be different. You are the only one who thinks braking is the way to slow down. Do you know why? Because you have never gone up to that speed. But just learn to use brake, and why don't you try to find out what we are talking about? Good driver is willing to try new things, right? Why are you so sticking to your own opinion? When others with more experience are telling you different thing, don't you wanna try it and find out? I would. Otherwise, you'll never get better. My opinion.

[QUOTE=C-Kwik]Now don't take this as a challenge to out there and over drive your car and hurt or kill yourself in the process. I'm perfectly content going down a twisty road at 7/10ths pace and just having some fun. But I won't say that doing so is pushing myself or my car all that much. I save that mainly for the racetrack and an occasional fun onramp/offramp. QUOTE]

I can't agree with you more. It is very important to stop yourself from going over the limit. I try to stay around 60% to 70% when I go twisties or drifting at night. So if some animals come out, I could stop or avoid it. But we don't have to be pushing ouselves to have fun. I still enjoy going 35MPH in the city. Just being behind the wheel of my car makes me happy!

Sentient:

You are wrong! Let me describe a situation where everyone decided it was fact and they all ended up being wrong. Do you know how many people decided that it was fact and a truism to go to war in Iraq? Has that turned out to be fact of fiction? The same thing applies to cars and all facets of life.

If you feel my comments are erroneous, then touche. It doesn't change anything I have saod or experienced. Like I said before, Bridgestone Potenza tires are horrible. Don't use them.

C-Kwik:

I appreciate your candor. You said, "But when attacking a race track, these individual perfomance values mean nothing. It's how well you chain them together that makes up the hundredths of seconds of difference in lap times between the world's top drivers."

Well, based on my personal experience, I only stated how well i chain them together, and in fact, your comment, is all I have been saying all along. Everyone chains their driving skills together in several ways. And as you said, just about all of us are amateurs. So, what gives one amateur the god given right to determine whather another amateur is driving their car well?

I bet many of the people talking now have been in one serious accident or the other. Well, I haven't---not because I am great but perhaps fortunate and probably attentive on the road, well beyond what most of the amateurs are able to achieve.

So, I do see your point. However, while I disagree with your comments about my driving style, where you also have made assumptions about what maybe wrong with my car or my driving pattern, if none of the other amteurs have not driven in my car with me, none of them has any opinion or fact better than whatever I present.

Again, I like your approach to the discussion. No amateur can be better than another amateur. If anyone feels I exaggerate my driving skills, then I can't take it out of their head. I would rather encourage them to see my comments as passionate descriptions of the reality I deal with. Nothing stops any of the amateur drivers from disagreeing with my comments at the time I made them.

Minmey15:



You said, "When did I tell you how to drive your car? I just said that the fact that you think G35 coupe and 350Z are developed for tracks and twisties are wrong, and that it is very important to learn how to control brakes. Without fully controlling brakes, you cannot drive fast.

And I do enjoy driving. I enjoy driving in the city with my music on, occasional twisties, and drifting. I enjoy driving at any speed.

There are differences in cars' setup or driving style, but your idea of G35 being race car like, and your idea of braking is simply weird. And it is impposible to drive at race track and compete with others with your driving style. That is the fact, and not the opinion. Listen to other people. Am I the only one saying that? Actually, we all have similar view of high performance driving, though little detail may be different. You are the only one who thinks braking is the way to slow down. Do you know why? Because you have never gone up to that speed. But just learn to use brake, and why don't you try to find out what we are talking about? Good driver is willing to try new things, right? Why are you so sticking to your own opinion? When others with more experience are telling you different thing, don't you wanna try it and find out? I would. Otherwise, you'll never get better. My opinion."

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My dear friend, first of all you are an amateur like every other. Secondly, I once said, you are a very funny chap, and you prove me right. Thirdly, I don't know how much you enjoy driving your car. You could also be exaggerating that opinion. Fourthly, I enjoy listening to the sound of my Stillen exhaust and not music---says a lot about your idea of enjoyment. I fi had to listen to anyone on this forum it certainly won't be you judging by the quality of your advice.

You said, "You are the only one who thinks braking is the way to slow down." I never said this. I said the negative. You also said, "Because you have never gone up to that speed." How could you possibly make such a comment when you don't even know the person you are commenting about. But, if you feel that way, I can't stop you from doing so.

if I have to try new stuff, do you really feel I would be doing so from amateurs or from the less than acceptable quality of your advice? D you really think so?

My dear friend, as i said before, you are a very funny chap. Don't make wild assumptions of others. I have probably been on this planet longer than you have.

Minmey15:

You said, "It is very important to stop yourself from going over the limit. I try to stay around 60% to 70% when I go twisties or drifting at night. So if some animals come out, I could stop or avoid it. But we don't have to be pushing ouselves to have fun. I still enjoy going 35MPH in the city. Just being behind the wheel of my car makes me happy!"

How could you love a car so much and never desire to know what it is capabale of? Very funny! I am sorry to hear that you are content with 60% - 70% of the car's capabilities. Well, I am content with 90% to 95 % of the car's capabilities. How do you feel when you redline the car? Do you even know what I am talking about?

I really mean this, do me a favor, take your G-35 coupe for a spin and then start by redlining the car in every gear up till the 4th gear, and then come back and report to me how fast you were going. Also come back and tell me that you were only achieveing 60% to 70% of the car's capabilities. And by the way, that is how I drive my car every day. If you think I am exxagerating, then buy me a flight ticket to your home so that i can come over there to show you what your G-35 Coupe can really do. You make me laugh.


Modified by Jacko3 at 10:21 AM 5/1/2008

Jacko3 wrote:Sentient:

You are wrong! Let me describe a situation where everyone decided it was fact and they all ended up being wrong. Do you know how many people decided that it was fact and a truism to go to war in Iraq? Has that turned out to be fact of fiction? The same thing applies to cars and all facets of life.

If you feel my comments are erroneous, then touche. It doesn't change anything I have saod or experienced. Like I said before, Bridgestone Potenza tires are horrible. Don't use them.

First of all, your topic is verging into a different forum. Second, the group who thought it was a great idea to barge in there was a hell of a lot smaller and full of greedy bastards. Third, you probably voted for the dumbA$$.

As for your claims being erroneous. Over the past couple of months, you've made completely generalized, over confident, exaggerated comments with only your opinion to back them.

As such, I worry (especially since you seem to post whore) that your information will make it into the mainstream of "knowledge" and negatively effect some other unknowing soul.

My first year or two on NICO was spent browsing and asking questions. I get one of the biggest laughs out of people who hear something, want to sound knowledgeable/official and repeat what they heard without verifying it's authenticity.

I personally think you lie to yourself to make your investment seem godly.

Did it every occur to you that the dealership may have slightly over-inflated your tires to stiffen the sidewalls because they know what type of driving you supposedly do? Of course not, how stupid of me, because you like being different and not adhering to conventional wisdom.

Unique, dynamic though is only good when it has a positive outcome. The rest of the time. It's a waste.

With regard to your comment about being amatures...Regardless of our professional or amature status, most of us have more experience with vehicles than you do.

Your "soulful" connection with your car is comical at best. I can think of only one professional driver who is that in tuned with his car. He has been racing since the age of 3 or 4 and places dozens of sensors on his track car, then makes extremely small changes in tire pressure, shock dampening, weight distribution...etc.

That's not you. No assumptions here, just analysis of cumlative data.
Modified by Sentientbydesign at 10:31 AM 5/1/2008

SentientByDesign:

As with any other person, I state my opinions very clearly. I have never said they are facts. And when i do state my opinions, I do so very confidently simply becasue I have actually done those things myself. I would never say something that I have not done. So forgive my immense confidence--that is who I am. I want you to know that.

Why worry about other people---they are all adults, I hope, and I doubt that you are their father, or are you? If any adult doubts anything I have said, they are free to ask me what I did and how I did it, and then they can go out there to put it into practice and see if it is possible or not. That is how adults confirm opinions and facts.

For example, I was once told that my driving is poor and so that is why my clutch produces a burning smell. Well, my clutch has stopped producing a burning smell and it is on track to reach 30K, inspite of how fast I drive and that I flog the car everyday. My car is a 2007 model and I already have over 21K on it, after 1 year of ownership, eventhough I have a 2nd car that is better with gas.

Secondly, the G-35 Coupe is a godly machine. None of us has to lie to make it godly. The G-35 Coupe was released in the fall of 2002, and yet in 2008, the design of that car still turns heads and brings praises to the drivers of G-35 Coupe. Are you suggesting now that I am behind that godly ethos in which the G-35 Coupe lives and exists in? Again, you fail to see the difference between passion, hyperboles, and lies. Perhaps, more than any other, I love the G-35 Coupe inspite of some of its flaws, very much. This should have been obvious to you by now.

So, you are suggesting that my dealership is behaving in a criminal manner, even as they changed the cap on the tires valve stem with one that reads, "Nitrogen"? Now, ask yourself, why would anyone want to do that? Or maybe they gave me the engine of a Mitsubishi Evo when they replaced the first engine the car came with. Again, I have to remind you that I have a revised VQ35DE engine as a result of oil consumption with the first engine. The revised engine, also seems to have been built with a little more torque than the first engine I had.

I am sorry you find my unconventional methods disturbing. I found out earlier on in my life that most people make more mistakes because they follow like lemmings. I refuse to jump off the cliff of soemeone else's making. I will jump off the cliff of my own making.

Like I said before, inflate your tires with Nitrogen, and take your car out for a spin. You will be spendidly surprised at how good the tires absorb bumps and how well pinned down the tires are to the road. Its worth the try. Of course, I don't expect many to think much of Nitrogen. But I do. I feel safer with the Nitrogen, especially when I drive through my sacred twisties and turns. What do you think?

And, you keep referring to the "us". who are the "us" you are talking about? You seem to relish power in numbers more than yourself---says a lot about self confidence. My dear Sentient, I love my individuality and my confidence. Whatever experience you have, is yours alone, and means little to any other.

Modified by Jacko3 at 10:47 AM 5/1/2008
Modified by Jacko3 at 1:35 PM 5/1/2008

Godly machine huh?

I was speaking with my wife last night about my "godly machine" and told her I wanted to go test drive a few other cars.

I love my G, but it's far from a "godly machine". An intake and exhaust would probably appease my auditory senses, but that's small.

If I can't drop 200-400 lbs off the car, I'll probably look for something else.

As for adults knowing how to decipher accuracy... Do you live in another country? Have you missed our recent mortgage crisis? Adult or not, they were un/misinformed and most failed to verify the situations before signing MULTIPLE times.

We also have a decent number of adolesent members. I don't think for a minute that one's abilities magically improve when 18 years of age has been attained, but regardless they are still impressionable.

I'm not anyones father, but I am/have been an educator. As such, I make it a point to keep people informed correctly, even when that means going out of my way to tell someone that I was previously wrong.

Overinflating your tires isn't illegal. Most of our tires have maximum PSIs in the 50-55PSI range, recommended is around 32-35, putting it at 38-40 will make a noticeable difference in handling without compromising safety (tire life will probably decrease a little though).

Sentient:

No, I didn't miss the mortgage crisis. The crisis was caused by several factors well beyond the scope you stated. While adults still had some blame in it, you can't exclude the part played by the legislature, the Federal Reserve, Mmrtgage brokers, the credit rating agencies, the investment banks, etc.

Just as you, I have also been an educator, and I don't think providing my comments on what I have personally experienced is misleading to anyone, even if you feel so. We are not a forum of one, are we? We are individuals who are capabale of making our decisions fairly well for ourselves, even if the outcomes turn out to be bad.

If an 18 year old is impressionable, then they should be smart enough to go out there and try things out for themselves or ask questions. That is what adults do. And I if I remember well, you have also provided information that has been rebutted by others, and I don't recall chastising you for it, have I?

Well, I respect your over-inflation theory. But, it won't change the substance that is in my tires, which is "Nitrogen". Like I said before, fill your tires with Nitrogen and see what happens. If you don't like it, then avoid it. If you like it, then tell us how the car felt and behaved.

Jacko3 wrote:Minmey15:



You said, "When did I tell you how to drive your car? I just said that the fact that you think G35 coupe and 350Z are developed for tracks and twisties are wrong, and that it is very important to learn how to control brakes. Without fully controlling brakes, you cannot drive fast.

And I do enjoy driving. I enjoy driving in the city with my music on, occasional twisties, and drifting. I enjoy driving at any speed.

There are differences in cars' setup or driving style, but your idea of G35 being race car like, and your idea of braking is simply weird. And it is impposible to drive at race track and compete with others with your driving style. That is the fact, and not the opinion. Listen to other people. Am I the only one saying that? Actually, we all have similar view of high performance driving, though little detail may be different. You are the only one who thinks braking is the way to slow down. Do you know why? Because you have never gone up to that speed. But just learn to use brake, and why don't you try to find out what we are talking about? Good driver is willing to try new things, right? Why are you so sticking to your own opinion? When others with more experience are telling you different thing, don't you wanna try it and find out? I would. Otherwise, you'll never get better. My opinion."

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My dear friend, first of all you are an amateur like every other. Secondly, I once said, you are a very funny chap, and you prove me right. Thirdly, I don't know how much you enjoy driving your car. You could also be exaggerating that opinion. Fourthly, I enjoy listening to the sound of my Stillen exhaust and not music---says a lot about your idea of enjoyment. I fi had to listen to anyone on this forum it certainly won't be you judging by the quality of your advice.

You said, "You are the only one who thinks braking is the way to slow down." I never said this. I said the negative. You also said, "Because you have never gone up to that speed." How could you possibly make such a comment when you don't even know the person you are commenting about. But, if you feel that way, I can't stop you from doing so.

if I have to try new stuff, do you really feel I would be doing so from amateurs or from the less than acceptable quality of your advice? D you really think so?

My dear friend, as i said before, you are a very funny chap. Don't make wild assumptions of others. I have probably been on this planet longer than you have.

Jacko,

As Sentient says, talking to you is pointless. When did I ever say I never redline it? limiting myself on street and not redlining is two different things. I guess you are lacking experience to understand wht I am talking about.

And when did I say I was a pro? I am far from being a pro. I don't think anyone here is. But many of us do have track experience. And just as you are posting your weird theory that no one can understand, aren't I allowed to state my opinion? If you don't want people to give you negative feed back to your weird theory, then why post it where everyone can see? Am I wrong about this? Or do I have to pad you on your back?

And if you feel that quality of my advice was poor, then I apologize. But since you are insulting me, will you please explain the difference between my advice of using brake to transfer the weight and others' opinion about brakes? Because I really don't see any difference. Or are you saying you don't want to take any advice from anyone at NICO because we are all amateurs and you are a G35 master? Jacko.. Please remember your post. You are the one who claimed that you have mastered the car's behavior. You sound more pro than anyone here.

And I am making assumption of you because you have been saying some weird stuff. Like your V35 and 350Z were developed for tracks and twisties, and it was meant for forced induction or whatever. Isn't that an assumption you are making? Or have you talked to the chief engineers of Skyline and Fairlady? Then why are you making wild assumptions of those two cars? Because of your experience? Well, I am talking from my experience of talking to you here at NICO. I am guilty just as much as you are. So you tell me, Jacko.

Minmey15:

There is nothing else to be said. I am glad you got a lot of your chest. Well done! Anyway, enjoy your ride the way you know best, and I will enjoy my ride the way I know best. "Weird", "teach", "learn", "track", "others" etc, words that seem totally innate to your vocabulary on this forum.

Like I said, before, fill your tires with Nitrogen, take your car for a spin and flog the hell out of it and then come back and tell us how it felt. I expect your results to be different from mine (your glass seems always half empty). However, I want to hear your results in terms of how the car handles.

Take care! Very funny chap!
Modified by Jacko3 at 7:37 AM 5/2/2008

Jacko3 wrote:Minmey15:

There is nothing else to be said. I am glad you got a lot of your chest. Well done! Anyway, enjoy your ride the way you know best, and I will enjoy my ride the way I know best. "Weird", "teach", "learn", "track", "others" etc, words that seem totally innate to your vocabulary on this forum.

Like I said, before, fill your tires with Nitrogen, take your car for a spin and flog the hell out of it and then come back and tell us how it felt. I expect your results to be different from mine (your glass seems always half empty). However, I want to hear your results in terms of how the car handles.

Take care! Very funny chap!

Modified by Jacko3 at 7:37 AM 5/2/2008

Jacko, please note where I doubted your result with Nitrogen. Because as far as I can recall, I never did. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Is it all you can do now because you cannot answer anything I asked you?

But reasoning with you is pointless. So let's move on.

I have never talked about Nitrogen on this thread before, but I imagine its density would probably change the characteristic of tires, resulting in more harden feel from tires. So I can understand more crispier feels that Jacko was talking about. Again, my assumption I have never tried it, so I wouldn't know.

Plus, if they use it for GT-R, it must have some merits.
Modified by Minmey15 at 12:40 PM 5/2/2008

Minmey15 wrote:Plus, if they use it for GT-R, it must have some merits.Modified by Minmey15 at 12:40 PM 5/2/2008

Minimal pressure fluctuation and less pressure loss over time (supposedly).

I am now locking this thread as there is no use in bantering back and forth anymore...I think this thread has run it's course.