Nissan Whiners

[Repo Man]

OK, now that I have your attention, let me pose a devil's advocate type question. Not intended to flame anyone*disclaimer.

Why is it that we complain/piss/moan about the Honda converts, people "planning a swap", and new members that want to buy 240's? Then we go and ***** about all the Hondaboys out there. It seems contradictory.

It seems to me that anyone not already "in the club" is screwed. I know, I don't have much tolerance for stupid questions either, but that's not what I'm talking about. Any opinions?

Hondaboys, love to hate 'em! :bash

[Daunttless]

apparently we'd rather have them stay hondaboys that we can ***** about and beat them rather than have them convert to nissans and ask repetitive, stupid questions that you only find in the honda world and then have them as part of our club. : ) I'm not insulting anyone, thats just my take on things.

[MasterMan]

hey as long as they dont rice out the 240 then good for them.. atleast they have come to some kinda sence...

[UncleBen]

the only reason they start wanting a 240 is because of all the import mag's doin stuff w/ 240's like swaps and all that stuff. the only reason hondaboys want a 240 is because the magazine tells them to go get one basically.

[red240ne]

that's why we should try to buy all of the 240s in the u.s., and they would just stay in our club!! no hondaboys allowed:D

[APEXi240]

I get annoyed because its not the real car enthusiasts that want to buy 240s, its the ricer kids that have read the latest magazine. Why do you think in the last 3 months there have been so many people wanting to change over? Because 240s have been covered in SCC, Super Street, and Import Tuner. I'm all for the kids that change over that know whats up...there is one guy who ones a turbo honda that knows his s*it on this board. He is very welcome, its the ignorant ones that get annoying. Oh yeah and what Daunt said was true also.

[Luke]

Hey can anyone tell me where i can find those cool altezza style taillights for my s13 coupe?? and I want one of those wings that the cars int eh fast and the furious have, you know those silver ones. I like to go fast on the highway and i need all the downforce i can get!! Thanks!!

[MasterMan]

/me smacks the sh it out of Luke.. u best be joking son

[Luke]

lol... I had hoped that my posting that in this thread would have made my sarcasm apparent enough, obviously it didn't. ;-)

[wingzero]

Not for anything, its just that I think the word hondaboy is just being used to describe people who might not be deserving of what the term implies, which is really a rice boy. People rice out all kinds of cars from mustangs to hondas, even silvias. Believe it or not, there are actually people who like to work on their hondas to make them fast, some even look pretty clean. It just so happens that 99.99% of honda owners are high school kids who know close to nothing about cars and just looking for the cheapest, and often tackiest, way of "souping up" their cars. I just think its unfair that people like myself, who actually want to put effort and money into their to make it something nice get mixed into the group with guys who think altezzas, cut springs, ugly aluminum wings, and type-r emblems constitute a nice car. I originally got my silvia because I didn't want to put a lot of miles on my civic going to college. Much to my surprise the silvia accelerated, handled, and overall just performed a lot better than the honda. I just put a set of advans on my silivia, does that make me ricey just because I own a honda as well? Am I not welcome on this board because I haven't dropped an Sr20 into my silivia yet? all I'm saying is don't blame the hondas, blame the jackasses who make them look like eyesores and sound like lawnmowers. I'm sure if soicihiro honda saw what ricers do to civics he'd be spinning in his grave. just try to keep a more open mind guys.

[Lepchitz1]

um...silvias already have an sr20.

[Lepchitz1]

oh wait, you have a 240sx not a silvia

[Lepchitz1]

that is something i would like to bring up, why do all these people put silvia tags on there 240s? If they were silvia's they would say "silvia" when you buy the car, and the driver would sit on the right side.

[fenrisx]

[quote=" Lost_To_A_K-Car [BThe reality of the situation is that we may be stuck with them until Import Retard writes an article extolling the many virtues of the Dodge Neon with a Hemi swap. [/quote]

ROFL..sorry but that's just funny as hell right now.

I'm only ....*cough*17*cough*, but I'm not one of the ricer kids. Haven't really been a big fan of hondas. Yet, in a way, I've had a Nissan 240sx for 9 or 10 years now. My moms...I am one that was wanting toget one and do a swap tho..so blah. IF any ricers do want to go american..pls email me i'll sale my 92 Pontiac Sunbird.. ;p jk laters

[APEXi240]

I comletely agree with lost. There is a lot of hate amongst Honda tuners, and the ricers. There are many fast Hondas in my town, and its just ignorant to classify them all in the same group. I think its a shame that we are getting all the a**holes now. My friend has swapped Honda and all he does all day long is beat on other Hondas, like its his job or something.

Just a minor point, I don't care if I saw Advans on a Kia thats not rice (on a Kia its just stupidy but you get my point). Advans are just too raw.

[Atom12]

Finally, some reasonable car enthusiasts speak up. I've weighed in on every Honda related thread, but I've never seen this amount of intelligence before. Thank god some of the more respected guys here (K car, Apexi) spoke up before this just turned into a bash fest. I don't feel like restating my previous posts on the matter. Anyone who's paid attention knows how I feel about it.

[sxse]

My problem isn't with hondas its with huge aluminum wings and expensive taillights. I mean, i guess its OK if it makes them happy, but for the price of altezzas you can get K&N nad for the price of a wing you can get new struts and springs. It's just seems so much more practical to me, I just thought most guys liked performance the most....

[Teaneck]

What's worse.... a "HondaBoy" (term used to imply anyone who considers an exhaust tip, spoiler, and stickers to be "tuning") trying to make his car faster(regardless of how misdirected) or an old gray haired lady driving a blue 350z? The only upside I can see is that in a few years there will be a cherry '02 350z out there.For the record... I appreciate the "Hondaboys" when ever I see one i forget whatever else is going on and laugh my a** off! It's like comedy relief...

[Daunttless]

Originally posted by Lost_To_A_K-Car Originally posted by wingzero "]I originally got my silvia

You do not own a Silvia.

Much to my surprise the silvia

You do not own a Silvia.

I just put a set of advans on my silivia

You do not own a Silvia.

I haven't dropped an Sr20 into my silivia

You do not own a Silvia.

Daunttless's Addition to K's previous statement:

1990 Nissan 240sx fastback17" Advan Sa3R wheels(still need tires)Verdict: $2300 into this car(damn those are expensive rims), still a hell of a lot more fun to drive than the civic.

You do not own a Silvia. Also, if ANYTHING you would have a "180SX." But in all actuality you have a 240SX Fastback. : )

I don't have anything against respectable honda owners, just wanted to clarify from my earlier posting, I haven't been back here since. : ) I have things against idiots, and given the choice I, along with a lot of other members would rather have them stay in the Honda camp. : ) Thats all I was stating, wasn't really paying attention. Suffice to say theres idiots everywhere ( as shown by Tino ), but we don't need any more of them. I think you may be on to something K.

[br2819]

i own a honda and it does bother me when people classify all people with hondas as ricers or whatever. i was a ricer for about a couple of months but my friend planned an intervention before it went too far and ripped off the stickers. needless to say he is a good friend.

[Repo Man]

Finally, some reasonable car enthusiasts speak up. I've weighed in on every Honda related thread, but I've never seen this amount of intelligence before. Thank god some of the more respected guys here (K car, Apexi) spoke up before this just turned into a bash fest. I don't feel like restating my previous posts on the matter. Anyone who's paid attention knows how I feel about it.

Well, Atom, as a less-respected and unreasonable car enthusiast I was simply posing a question as to the perceived inconsistency and thus attempting to start a thread on the subject. Had I been trying to instigate a "bash fest" I would have posted in The Ring and not used a disclaimer. :rolleyes

[jaded1983]

Having a honda has become a fad. Blame it on FnF, blame it on the magazines, or whatever you want. the majority of people that buy civics, accords, etc with the intention of putting nasty wings, altezza's, and huge tips do it to be "cool," and to "fit in." As you can see i own a celica, but have always been a fan of the 240, gotta love rwd =) im sure the majority of hondaboys out there have no clue what potential there is for their car, HUGE aftermarket. at the moment i dont know much about 240's or the different engines and such. but as was stated before, its probably not that bad of an assumption that gettin a 240 has become the thing to do now. its unfortunate, and the same type of thing is starting to happen to the celica. i kno of a good amount of people who buy the brand new 7th gen celica's because of VVTL-i, yadda yadda. even tho they actually dont kno what it is, or what it does. then they put the huge wings and tips and altezzas on and think they are cool. its sad, really. they have no clue of the lineage or history of the celica, they couldnt tell u anything bout the Celica GT4 (offered here in the US from 88 - 93 and in europe and japan until 98), 2.0l turbo, AWD. sorry if im just ranting, im just another car enthusiast, who agrees with u guys....

EriC

[Daunttless]

the 3sgte celicas were great, a bit heavy, but great. : )

[fiznat]

just a different angle:

I think we need to accept we are all at least a LITTLE bit ricey simply for the type of car we own (or want to own). Comeon now. I know we like to bust on hondaboys as ricers and all that, but in the eyes of the rest of the automotive world- I really dont think there is THAT much difference between us and them. Regardless of how many stickers or wings or anything we put on (or dont put on) we are STILL driving turbocharged 4 bangers: which is the essence of an import "ricer."

now now, I know many of us - probably even a majority - are interested in "true tuning" or whatever: the actual mechanics of speed... but we are a special group nonetheless. be it genuine "rice" or not, thats how EVERYONE else looks at us. I think its kinda silly that we're fighting amongst ourselves (as a collective group of import drivers) over to which degrees we fit the slur that others have imposed on us. Doesnt it seem silly to you too?

[jaded1983]

the 3sgte celicas were great, a bit heavy, but great. : )

true, but there are a bunch of guys that did the swap (http://www.celica.net), and they say its unbelieavably fasy. especially since the added wieght of AWD isnt there.... man would i love that =)

[Daunttless]

heh, they'd run similar to an eclipse GS-T. : ) SR20 is better for the RWD. : ) FWD is no fun at all.

[jaded1983]

rdw is definitly better, man i wish i had it. ah well =)

[Atom12]

Well, Atom, as a less-respected and unreasonable car enthusiast I was simply posing a question as to the perceived inconsistency and thus attempting to start a thread on the subject. Had I been trying to instigate a "bash fest" I would have posted in The Ring and not used a disclaimer. :rolleyes

Oh no, no. I wasn't taking offense to the qustion. I thought it was a great one. I wonder the same thing sometimes. I mean, people hate the Honda guys because the perceived ricyness of the make. But when one tries to turn over a new leaf, we don't give him/her a chance to do so. It's just that these threads tend to get off point and get into "I urinate on Civics..." etc. Many of the people responding to the qustion, did a good job explaining their viewpoints. Just because I didn't include you in the "respected" portion of my post doesn't mean I don't value or respect you as a fellow member. I didn't include Daunttless in that part either, but that doesn't mean I don't like or respect him too. Those were just two of the posters in this thread that came to mind, when I decided to write that. I think that by even asking the qustion you are sticking your neck out there, and since I do all the time in threads likes this, I've got to respect you. Hell I might even like you. :pface

[Repo Man]

Oh no, no. I wasn't taking offense to the qustion. I thought it was a great one. I wonder the same thing sometimes. I mean, people hate the Hoda guys because the perceived ricyness of the make. But when one trys to turn over a new leaf, we don't give him/her a chance to do so. It's just that these threads tend to get off point and get into "I urinate on Civics..." etc. Many of the people responding to the qustion, did a good job explaing their viewpoints. Just because I didn't include you in the "respected" portion of my post dosn't mean I don't value or respect you as a fellow member. I didn't include Daunttless in that part either, but that doen't mean I don't like or respect him either. Those were just two of the posters in this thread that came to mind when I decided to write that. I think that by even asking the qustion you are sticking your neck out there, and since I do all the time in threads likes this, I've got to respect you. Hell I might even like you. :pface

:Werd

Cool man. I wasn't crying, really, I wasn't. Your point is very well taken. And I don't pretend to know half of what some of the other people on this board know. I like being around people that know more than I do. I tend to learn things that way.

I looked at buying a Civic before I bought my 240, but they're not a very good value for the $$$. Neither are Integras. I really like nice, well-done, fast 'Tegs. My brother has an early '90's Civic hatch with a blown SOHC waiting for a B-series. It will happen, just a matter of when.

Plenty of quick Hondas around here too. And as far as I go, you'd like me because, well, I'm just a helluva guy! :thumbup

[APEXi240]

just a different angle:

I think we need to accept we are all at least a LITTLE bit ricey simply for the type of car we own (or want to own). Comeon now. I know we like to bust on hondaboys as ricers and all that, but in the eyes of the rest of the automotive world- I really dont think there is THAT much difference between us and them. Regardless of how many stickers or wings or anything we put on (or dont put on) we are STILL driving turbocharged 4 bangers: which is the essence of an import "ricer."

now now, I know many of us - probably even a majority - are interested in "true tuning" or whatever: the actual mechanics of speed... but we are a special group nonetheless. be it genuine "rice" or not, thats how EVERYONE else looks at us. I think its kinda silly that we're fighting amongst ourselves (as a collective group of import drivers) over to which degrees we fit the slur that others have imposed on us. Doesnt it seem silly to you too?

You couldn't be any more wrong. Who are we ricers to? And what is the rest of the automotive world? I thought it was domestic, the east (japan, ect) and Europe? So who are we ricers to, a bunch of 40 something V8 drivers? I don't understand a blanket statement that if you own a 4 cylinder engine you are a ricer, that is completely ubsurd. And what does it matter how other people look at "us"? Are you really concerned with domestic owners who bash imports? Because I'm really not. If you are really that self conscious you should hop into an SUV.

There are countless things different between "foreign car enthusiasts" and "ricers". Enthusiasts are into the how and why, and every aspect of tuning. Ricers are into looks, and trends and being cool. I don't know about you, but to me that is a big difference. I think it is great that we are fighting amonst ourselves. It is needed. Ricers give import enthusiasts a bad name. We need to prove that they really aren't into cars, that they are into trends. I personally don't think there is enough in-fighting, we need to be more viscious and brutal, but thats just me. Are you suggesting that I "hang out" or "defend" some guy with gaudy, cheap 17s, and stickers out the as*? F*CK THAT!

Just an example...and yes I am ashamed to say this...I used to be into rollerblading, doing all the tricks ect. Skateboarders harrassed and hated rollerbladers, because they thought the sport was so easy, and that rollerbladers looked like dorks, ect. There was one pro rollerblader who didn't even like when other rollerbladers came up to him and talked to him, because they were in fact annoying little dorks. Whenever he went out to skate he chilled with skateboarders. They respected him because he was good, and did very hard tricks, and he hung out with them cause he hated rollerbladers. If this isn't a metaphor for my feelings on the import scene then I don't know what is.

Oh yeah, do you even own a car? Because if I recall correctly you don't even own a 240 yet.