Nissan tells Porsche: You're Doing it Wrong.

[jdansmith]

...from our friends at Autoblog:

The GT-R/911 schoolyard scuffle continues, with Nissan looking at Porsche's test and basically saying "yer doin it wrong" to the German automaker. Chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno has graciously offered remedial driving classes to the driver for Porsche's lapping session where a GT-R was reportedly 25 seconds off Nissan's torrid time of 7 minutes, 29 seconds.

Porsche had concluded that special tires must have been quietly fitted in a quest for 'Ring primacy. Porsche has yet to say anything other than "Ve don't sink zee car can do it in schtock form."

Not so, says Nissan. While a claim to the fastest production car on the Nürburgring might help prospective customers froth up some money, and owners are unlikely to try verifying the claim, Nissan is not interested in wasting time on one-offs, according to Mizuno.

"For us, testing the car in standard production specification is far more relevant", says the engineer. The very tires that carried driver Toshio Suzuki on the 7:29 run are in the hands of Sumitomo, and Nissan would encourage interested parties to STFU and go look at the rolling stock.

It seems Nissan thinks Porsche needs a little help figuring out the GT-R, to which the company will be happy to help. "We are aware that several automakers have purchased the GT-R for their own testing and evaluation," Nissan says in its most recent rebuttal, "we would welcome the opportunity to help any auto manufacturer with understanding the full capabilities of the GT-R."



Incidentally, in the latest issue of Car and Driver, Larry Webster points out that "Despite what Nissan claims, the GT-R is not making the advertised 480 horsepower."

Rather, the most likely figure is about 520.

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[RCA]

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[mzeo]

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[jdansmith]

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[OldmanPurdy]

This is a quote from the original article on auto-blog "The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring."...............I'm sure their chassis developer is a great driver but the Nur is a huge course, It not hard to imagine that Nissan's test driveris going to be faster than some random porsche employee driving the GT-r for the first time.

[Red coupe]

This is a quote from the original article on auto-blog "The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring."

It not hard to imagine that Nissan's test driveris going to be faster than some random porsche employee driving the GT-r for the first time.

who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Yeah, I'm confused too.

[yelnatsch517]

Red, it's possible to be an expert on something, but not have the necessary skills to apply it. In this case, the engineer could have been an expert on the ring itself with very little actual driving experience. Another example would be a car's designer vs. an actual professional driver.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Step 1: video car, close up of tires, run it on dyno, etc.

Step 2: without cutting the video, take the car directly onto the track and put down a siiiick time.

Step 3: get out and moonwalk? Have a Bratwurst with some of the Porsche guys?

I still LOVE porsche, but I also believe that they just aren't driving it right. When I rode in one, I couldn't believe the crap the driver was doing, and the car just taking it, coming out of the turn faster.

[Red coupe]

Red, it's possible to be an expert on something, but not have the necessary skills to apply it. In this case, the engineer could have been an expert on the ring itself with very little actual driving experience. Another example would be a car's designer vs. an actual professional driver.

I am pretty sure thats not what they mean by ring expert... I doubt they mean he has read about the ring extensively.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I still LOVE porsche, but I also believe that they just aren't driving it right. When I rode in one, I couldn't believe the crap the driver was doing, and the car just taking it, coming out of the turn faster.

Was this before or after Nissan voided it's warranty?

[Red coupe]

I still LOVE porsche, but I also believe that they just aren't driving it right. When I rode in one, I couldn't believe the crap the driver was doing, and the car just taking it, coming out of the turn faster.

Wouldn't this mean that if anything, the drivers couldn't be driving it wrong, because with anything even resembling driving the car fixes inputs and pulls along?

The fact that the car felt fast as hell to you kinda doesn't mean anything...The time set on the ring is FAST, and 25s off that time is still FAST. I mean its not like Porsche claimed it ran the ring in 15min, riding shotgun on Porsche lap would have likely felt even quicker. The butt dyno is not accurate to 5%.

And yelnatsch517, he wasn't simply an engineer. A chassis developer for Porsche is likely to have many many hours of experience behind the wheel... Part of developing a sports car involves putting it through its paces, and by "ring expert" they do not mean historian... They mean he has driven the hell out of that track.

[yelnatsch517]

And yelnatsch517, he wasn't simply an engineer. A chassis developer for Porsche is likely to have many many hours of experience behind the wheel... Part of developing a sports car involves putting it through its paces, and by "ring expert" they do not mean historian... They mean he has driven the hell out of that track.

Oh, haha my bad then.

On another note. Man... how badass would it be to be that kind of engineer. I envy him.

[ADDirishboy]

I would still rather have a GT3 than a GT-R.

[Red coupe]

Oh, haha my bad then.

On another note. Man... how badass would it be to be that kind of engineer. I envy him.

Why do you think I am working on an engineering degree and dedicating so much time to my schools race team

If I build them one, they gotta let me take if for a few laps right

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Was this before or after Nissan voided it's warranty?

It was a driver hired by Nissan, and I didn't own the car... so who the hell cares?

Wouldn't this mean that if anything, the drivers couldn't be driving it wrong, because with anything even resembling driving the car fixes inputs and pulls along?

The fact that the car felt fast as hell to you kinda doesn't mean anything...The time set on the ring is FAST, and 25s off that time is still FAST. I mean its not like Porsche claimed it ran the ring in 15min, riding shotgun on Porsche lap would have likely felt even quicker. The butt dyno is not accurate to 5%.

No, that would mean the driver's aren't used to the car. Let me say it again, that car is NOT driven like a normal car. You don't brake where you normally brake. When you hit a turn too fast and it starts to lose it, you don't brake or lift off, you punch the throttle and cut the wheel, and the car will pull a miracle out of it's *** and rocket you out of the corner.

Contrary to popular belief, this car will not go fast unless your foot is actually on the damn pedal.

[RCA]

I would still rather have a GT3 than a GT-R.

+1

The GT3 looks WAY better the the GTR, that plus when women recognize a Porsche symbol their panties drop...When she recognizes a Nissan symbol, her panties turn into a chastity belt...

[OldmanPurdy]

I am pretty sure thats not what they mean by ring expert... I doubt they mean he has read about the ring extensively.

If Porsche used Walter Rohrl then I would actually consider their claims, but they didn't they took some random employee that they then dub an "expert" of the Nurburgring and Woah what do you know his time was 29seconds slower than Nissans.

[AZhitman]

you don't brake or lift off, you punch the throttle and cut the wheel, the and car will pull a miracle out of it's *** and rocket you out of the corner.

[notslow]

Wow, I wonder how far this will go between Porsche and Nissan. I can see a long term grudge emerging from this, kinda like to rival hockey teams.

[marlin29311]

I would still rather have a GT3 than a GT-R.

GT2 FTW

[AZhitman]

Why do you think I am working on an engineering degree

Still?

Are you on the Decade Plan?

[Red coupe]

Still?

Are you on the Decade Plan?

I've been at cal poly less then a year?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Where were you before that?

I get to do some testing sometimes at work. I swap a new transmission solenoid into a car and get to go run it through its paces to make sure it does everything it is supposed to. They usually aren't cool cars though, and I don't get to put them on the track.Engineering FTW.

[Red coupe]

Where were you before that?

I get to do some testing sometimes at work. I swap a new transmission solenoid into a car and get to go run it through its paces to make sure it does everything it is supposed to. They usually aren't cool cars though, and I don't get to put them on the track.Engineering FTW.

pretty much just community college....not real track or idea what I wanted to do...

just taking classes in music theory, auto mechanics, philosophy, psychology,bussness or economics and all the general stuff your required.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Cal Poly is a damn good school. How long until you finish? Good luck man!