yet your profile says you own a 2009 AWD SL?known manufacturers defect prior to the 2009 model Rogues
darylzero wrote:You say this is ayet your profile says you own a 2009 AWD SL?known manufacturers defect prior to the 2009 model Rogues
Did you own a 2008 and traded it in for a 2009?
i do not mean to yell but i just want people to understand that dealers due what nissan tells them to do and techs do what dealer management tells them to do. but every tech has the moral and ethical responsibility to look in to a consumers complaint. When a tech says he cant duplicate a drive line vibration that Nissan says every Rogue has well then that's a flat out lie. When a tech says the vibration is normal, there are tools such as a nvh analyzer which measures the frequency and amplitude of a vibration. Nissan refused to tell me the allowable amount of vibration which is normal and at what point the vibration becomes a defect. I can not wait till we go to court and i have the techs state under oath that they can measure vibration by just using there hands and can compare that vibration to other Rogues with out any tools. When we go to court i have some devices that i will ask them to measure the vibration and then ask them to compare and tell me which devices are vibrating at the same frequency. Needles to say they wont be able to and i will catch them in another lie.AZhitman wrote:Keeping an eye on this one as well.
Welcome aboard, funissan - Keep us posted. (p.s. No need to yell, we're Nissan enthusiasts but we're also independent. )
Did you know that Nissan can put a motion in court to force me to sign a settlement against my will on a Rogue they refuse to repair but threaten to sue me for non repair? I can not wait till the jury hears this. i will keep you guys posted with updates once i get copies from Nissans attorneys. For some reason they wont turn over documents. One example is when we requested copies of all Repair Orders they with held Suburban Nissans repair order which stated " per Nissan no work is to preformed" in the commit section that i was not supposed to see. This repair Order was also missing from the BBB files they turned over in Discovery in the Lemon Law cases. The judge and Jury should find that interesting as it shows a cover up of a know manufacturers defectkerrton wrote:Thanks Funnissan for sharing all of those details, if there is in fact an inherant defect with the Rogue it is knowledge that we will all benefit from.
Could you post a link please? Thanks!Yev wrote:ImStricken - I have seen a video posted on YouTube regarding the mount issue you mentioned. The amount of play is ridiculous, I agree! I am not convinced that it is simply a mount issue, however.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__bST39f90[/youtube]Rogue One wrote:Could you post a link please? Thanks!Yev wrote:ImStricken - I have seen a video posted on YouTube regarding the mount issue you mentioned. The amount of play is ridiculous, I agree! I am not convinced that it is simply a mount issue, however.
yes i know it locks up early, but that could not be the problem. the vibration could be more than just early torque converter lock up. it could be the drop in RPM (loss of power to weight ratio + TC lock up), it could be the actual transmission belt/chain slipping, it could be scored cones in your CVT causing a vibration at precisely the right gear ratio, it could be a lot. simply placing the blame on the TC, is kinda tough.Yev wrote:ImStricken - I have seen that video, it demonstrates vibrations coming from the wheel, as stated in the description...
Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I am referring to the vibrations coming from the transmission/torque converter between 1200-1500 RPM.
Yev have you taken your Rogue to the dealer for the drive line vibration and if so what did they say?Yev wrote:ImStricken - I have seen that video, it demonstrates vibrations coming from the wheel, as stated in the description...
Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I am referring to the vibrations coming from the transmission/torque converter between 1200-1500 RPM.
This is not a "defect". The amount of sound dampening material varies by manufacturer and vehicle type. While you may be dissatisfied with the amount of sound dampening material and or quietness of the Rogue, it is not marketed as having a noise free cabin. Maybe an Audi A8L would be more to your liking, if your looking for a quiet ride.funissan wrote:I only had two issues with the Rogue. there is not enough sound damping in the roof area and this known defect.
Could you please post links? I've done an extensive search and could not find the New York Times article you mentioned. BTW, what are the court documents and certified letters you refer to? Is there a court docket, case number, or other legal papers that have been made public that can be viewed?funissan wrote:i would refer you to the New York Times article a "whole lot of shaking" in which Nissan admits all Rogues vibrate... Nissan and its Dealers are aware of this defect as documented in court documents since 2008 and the Board of Directors received certified letters in 2009 of how to see this defect and that's why Nissan dealers will not let you see your Rogue up on the hoist. i am placing a similar video on my local cable channels and auto magazines and sending the video to numerous news media outlets.
All this talk about vibration reminds me of the early production problems car companies had with inline four-cylinder engines. Due to the asymmetry of their design, the engines have an inherent second order vibration, necessitating a balance shaft.kerrton wrote:Great point, and this is why Subaru has always promoted their "symmetrical all-wheel drive" sytstem. Because of the offset engine and trans in FWD vehicles as shown above, you have issues such as torque-steer, and perhaps some minor "wobble". It's just an inherant characteristic of many vehicles that use this type of drivetrain configuration.
here is the link to the New York Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/autom ... wanted=allRogue One wrote:This is not a "defect". The amount of sound dampening material varies by manufacturer and vehicle type. While you may be dissatisfied with the amount of sound dampening material and or quietness of the Rogue, it is not marketed as having a noise free cabin. Maybe an Audi A8L would be more to your liking, if your looking for a quiet ride.funissan wrote:I only had two issues with the Rogue. there is not enough sound damping in the roof area and this known defect.
Could you please post links? I've done an extensive search and could not find the New York Times article you mentioned. BTW, what are the court documents and certified letters you refer to? Is there a court docket, case number, or other legal papers that have been made public that can be viewed?funissan wrote:i would refer you to the New York Times article a "whole lot of shaking" in which Nissan admits all Rogues vibrate... Nissan and its Dealers are aware of this defect as documented in court documents since 2008 and the Board of Directors received certified letters in 2009 of how to see this defect and that's why Nissan dealers will not let you see your Rogue up on the hoist. i am placing a similar video on my local cable channels and auto magazines and sending the video to numerous news media outlets.
i flunked English in high school guys. i should have said it clearly that my personal issue is with A. the damping material and B. The know vibration defect in the video. I'm waiting for Nissan's check and court documents so i can post them on a website it should be soon since we signed a settlement last week. Just to make it clear to every one if this defect would have been repaired i would have bought it at lease end. There is normal vibrations in all vehicles but when a manufacturer and dealer are hiding a defect well its just wrong.its a simple test that most dealers will not show customers i am advertising in Detroit Michigan area that if there dealer wont lift the Rogue i will pay a repair shop to lift it up for them for free.Rogue One wrote:This is not a "defect". The amount of sound dampening material varies by manufacturer and vehicle type. While you may be dissatisfied with the amount of sound dampening material and or quietness of the Rogue, it is not marketed as having a noise free cabin. Maybe an Audi A8L would be more to your liking, if your looking for a quiet ride.funissan wrote:I only had two issues with the Rogue. there is not enough sound damping in the roof area and this known defect.
Could you please post links? I've done an extensive search and could not find the New York Times article you mentioned. BTW, what are the court documents and certified letters you refer to? Is there a court docket, case number, or other legal papers that have been made public that can be viewed?funissan wrote:i would refer you to the New York Times article a "whole lot of shaking" in which Nissan admits all Rogues vibrate... Nissan and its Dealers are aware of this defect as documented in court documents since 2008 and the Board of Directors received certified letters in 2009 of how to see this defect and that's why Nissan dealers will not let you see your Rogue up on the hoist. i am placing a similar video on my local cable channels and auto magazines and sending the video to numerous news media outlets.