Nissan Rogue pre-cat failure?

[Andyd513]

Hey all,

I just purchased a 2011 Nissan Rogue S. I really like the car except the CVT, which I guess I'll get used to. (My wife really wanted this one, and the deal is I get whatever car I want in a couple years )

I traded in my 2003 nissan altima S (2.5l) with 260,000 on it when buying. It unfortunately suffered from the pre-cat breakdown which subsequently ruined the motor. That was a nice $3k repair a couple years ago.

My question - have any model years of the rogue suffered from the same breakdown? My understanding was Nissan fixed the issue completely by the 2007 model year, but still was curious if any Rogue owners have heard of the issue creeping up on this car. Obviously it's a newer version of the qr25de in it, but it looks like it has a similar pre-cat to the one I had on my Altima (after my issue I replaced it with headers).

Thanks!

[Rogue One]

While I'm not thoroughly versed in this issue, it seems limited primarily to the Altima. I've not seen any posts on this topic for the Rogue on this other Nissan forums.

[Black B15]

I have not heard of a Rogue having the precat issues yet, although I share your concern.

The Sentra's and the Altima's were the cars that had the biggest issues with that precat failure, and from what I understand the 2002-2003 model years were the worst.

I would be curious if ANYONE has had a precat failure or a butterfly screw failure (another qr25de known issue) on the Nissan Rogue.

On a side note, when looking at the Rogue I asked the salesman if it had the QR engine. He replied "it's a small VQ". I looked at him confused and said "I am pretty sure it is the 2.5, the qr25de right?". "Oh yeah" he said" that's what I said, a small VQ".

WTF? Small VQ? Proof that most car salesmen know d!ck about the product they are selling.

Yeah, it's a small VQ but it's a big QG. What a joke. I popped the hood and checked...pointing out the big QR stamp to the salesman. "Ohhhhhh" he said.

[Andyd513]

Thanks you guys alleviated my fears a bit.

I'll be keeping a close eye as it ages, right now it's still got factory powertrain warranty for a bit and the emissions warranty for quite awhile (which nissan has many times repaired the cat/motor for the sentras & altimas under).

So at least I'm covered until I hopefully have the car paid off.

Look forward to chatting with you all in the coming years

[ImStricken06]

(My wife really wanted this one, and the deal is I get whatever car I want in a couple years )

you actually fell for that?? lololol. there's your first mistake! lol/jk mark my words, next car you wont have more of a say than you did now lol

I traded in my 2003 nissan altima S (2.5l) with 260,000 on it when buying. It unfortunately suffered from the pre-cat breakdown which subsequently ruined the motor. That was a nice $3k repair a couple years ago.

this isnt common, but its well known. you can lessen the chances of this happening by removing the car at the 150,000mile mark.

My question - have any model years of the rogue suffered from the same breakdown? My understanding was Nissan fixed the issue completely by the 2007 model year, but still was curious if any Rogue owners have heard of the issue creeping up on this car. Obviously it's a newer version of the qr25de in it, but it looks like it has a similar pre-cat to the one I had on my Altima (after my issue I replaced it with headers).

so far i have heard of none. but then again, i see a ton of rogues on the road, and maybe a hundred or so signed up on here. i think its still too early to tell. around the 150,000mile mark is when things can start heading south.

[Rogue One]

so far i have heard of none. but then again, i see a ton of rogues on the road, and maybe a hundred or so signed up on here. i think its still too early to tell. around the 150,000mile mark is when things can start heading south.

Member big_c has an '08 SL AWD with 104,000 miles. Member Roguemonster is at slightly under 183,000 miles. Neither of them reported a pre-cat problem. Granted that's only two people, so it may still be too early to tell as the Rogue only began selling six years ago. Plus there's the fact that they've had several years to correct the problem before the first Rogue went into production. Also the Rogue is fitted with the updated 2007+ QR25DE engine, which has a simpler, larger diameter single path resin intake manifold that replaced the old dual path design (plus other improvements). In short, I'd say they have fixed this and it should be a non-issue.

[jonnyd91]

I should be picking my Rogue up tomorrow for the wifey. I owned a 2004 SER-Specv, so I was quite familiar with this issue. Im glad it seems like it has been worked out. I had a hunch the rogue had the same engine. I remember pulling the manifold to loctite the damn butterfly screws on my sentra, also changed up the header (bye bye pre-cat). Car ran to 109,000 miles with 0 problems and did not burn a drop of oil. Traded it in in 2010, it served me well. Good to know I should be good and familiar with the rogues engine

[kerrton]

I'm certain my pre-cat has been dying a slow death for the past 3 years. It produces an intense rotten egg sulfer smell, particularly bad when you get it good and hot such as on highway cruising or bringing the revs up when idling in park. The stink gets sucked in to the HVAC fresh air intake, so I've used the recirc. button a lot, although in winter you need fresh air to defog and defrost the windshield. Otherwise the car runs great and gets very good fuel mileage.

I've been waiting for it to fail to the point that it throws a code, but so far no luck. It's covered by a 7 year warranty, but I'm getting fed up with this. So I checked with Nissan on pricing, and they informed me that the pre-cat is not a standalone part, its actually part of the exhaust manifold!! The cost to replace it was quoated as $2600!!!!

Needless to say I won't be replacing it just yet, there's still time for it to throw a code under warranty, or maybe I'll just trade the car off. I could also have an independant shop cut the pre-cat off and weld on a new generic aftermarket, they could probably make something work for me Either way, I'm not worried about pieces of the pre-cat being sucked in to the engine and causing damage as in previous versions of the QR25 engine, with the current gen QR this issue was addressed through a partial redesign.

[Andyd513]

@$2600 This is definitely DIY time.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/08-12-Rogue-2-5L ... mtr&_uhb=1

I haven't checked what else you'd need to remove to get enough clearance to remove the exhaust manifold. On my old alti it was just the alternator.

Then a Breaker bar and torque wrench to ensure you tighten everything properly. Service manual to ensure you have the correct specs. Unless it's a lot different then the 2.5 altima, it's really not that difficult a swap. Took me the better part of a day with no idea what i was doing (I'm an IT guy, and I got it done!).

[Andyd513]

Not saying get that one specifically btw.. no idea if that brand is any good, but just saying @$2600 your dealer is committing highway robbery.

[ImStricken06]

$86.95

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Exhaust-Header- ... a8&vxp=mtr

+

$57.60


...DONE!

[Black B15]

Absolutely agree with I'msticken about the header, disagree about the o2 sensor thingy.

This is the same engine (qr25de) that people have been putting a header on for over 10 years now. There are several options to trick the ecu, but the cheapest I have seen is to buy a spark plug anti fouler, drill it out to 1/2", and install that on your downstream o2 sensor. That actually lifts your downstream o2 sensor up out of the direct exhaust flow a little bit, tricking the ecu.

As I have said dozens of times on this forum already, you can reset your SES light after installing a header this way, and most of the time your light won't come back on. For some, they needed to use two of the antifoulers on the downstream sensor. Sounds ghetto, I know....but that's why we always called them the "ghetto sim".

Anyway, I used it on my qg18de sentra and it works the same way. Ran an aftermarket header for something like 130k miles with no SES light issues. Still got great gas mileage too....low to mid 30 mpg's. No problems, and since there are no SES lights on, emissions is still passed when they hook up to your OBD II port.

Since the day I created my account on this website I have been itching to do a header install. I literally don't know of anyone who has tried it yet, as most are afraid of the CVT limitations.

[Black B15]

@$2600 This is definitely DIY time.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/08-12-Rogue-2-5L ... mtr&_uhb=1

I haven't checked what else you'd need to remove to get enough clearance to remove the exhaust manifold. On my old alti it was just the alternator.

Then a Breaker bar and torque wrench to ensure you tighten everything properly. Service manual to ensure you have the correct specs. Unless it's a lot different then the 2.5 altima, it's really not that difficult a swap. Took me the better part of a day with no idea what i was doing (I'm an IT guy, and I got it done!).

It would be the same on the Altima, Sentra, or the Rogue. That alternator has to be moved in order to get the header on and off of a QR25 engine, other than that install should be a breeze if a person had the right tools.

I'm like you, I did a header install on my Sentra with virtually no knowledge of cars whatsoever. It was kind of my first experience working on a Nissan. I got it done relatively quickly and easily, granted it was the qg18de engine so I didn't have to take the alternator off, but still it's a fairly easy install.

[ImStricken06]

Absolutely agree with I'msticken about the header, disagree about the o2 sensor thingy.

This is the same engine (qr25de) that people have been putting a header on for over 10 years now. There are several options to trick the ecu, but the cheapest I have seen is to buy a spark plug anti fouler, drill it out to 1/2", and install that on your downstream o2 sensor. That actually lifts your downstream o2 sensor up out of the direct exhaust flow a little bit, tricking the ecu.

As I have said dozens of times on this forum already, you can reset your SES light after installing a header this way, and most of the time your light won't come back on. For some, they needed to use two of the antifoulers on the downstream sensor. Sounds ghetto, I know....but that's why we always called them the "ghetto sim".

Anyway, I used it on my qg18de sentra and it works the same way. Ran an aftermarket header for something like 130k miles with no SES light issues. Still got great gas mileage too....low to mid 30 mpg's. No problems, and since there are no SES lights on, emissions is still passed when they hook up to your OBD II port.

Since the day I created my account on this website I have been itching to do a header install. I literally don't know of anyone who has tried it yet, as most are afraid of the CVT limitations.

lots of great info. i learned something new today. thanks for sharing!

[mikeyelectronics]

Hello,

I have a 2010 Rogue pulling the P0420 code - Bad CAT code or CAT sensor. I changed out my plugs and the car started to run much better I also believe that one of the plugs were bad and I plan on changing the coil where the bad plug was because I cannot separate the wire from the coil. I put CAT Cleaner in it and it also ran a little better. The Check engine light shut off and the car had more speed and better pep but it's not maxing out however the check engine soon light has come back on but the speed and pep stayed. Before I take it to my mechanic I would like to know if anyone had any experience with this and if you think the CAT needs replacing and if so has anyone replaced the CAT themselves or is there an easy fix. The car has high miles 137,000 miles. It got it for a good price and want to use it for sales calls without having to spend a fortune on it. Thank you for your help, Mike