Nissan Rogue 2015 - Chassis System Error & Oil Leakage

[saxenap]

Purchased a 2015 Nissan Rogue AWD SV with Tech Package 3 weeks back, and have done 625 miles on the SUV. I had gone to the dealer yesterday to outline the vibrations being somewhat greater, and more so on the accelerator pedal, which is irritating on a longer drive. The dealer had no real responses or any mechanism to measure the vibrations. While they were trying to help, no other options than trying to drive another Nissan Rogue 2015 came up.

Got into a bigger issue on same day evening yesterday, the SUV stopped at a major traffic light, with error as "Chassis System Error", and the manuals asks you to take the car to the dealer. Also realized when the car was being taken by Roadside assistance, a heavy oil leakage on the road. Anyone heard of this issue with Nissan 2015 Rogue, and while the car is with dealer this weekend, what options really exist if this vehicle is turning out to be a LEMON !!

Any similar experiences or thoughts on what options exist given this is a vehicle that has only done 625 miles !!

PS

[D-Rock]

I got the Chassis System error tonight after a very long drive from Sudbury to Ottawa in very snowy conditions. My TC light never came on and on the rare sections of dry pavement it would stick at 6500 rpm but not accelerate above 90 km/h so the tires weren't slipping. I guess this was limp mode but not sure why. Just squeezed in before the dealer closed so I'll get the update tomorrow. 2014 S AWD with 57,000km, 10 months old. Rogue #4 and this is a first. Only ever changed the oil in my first 3. They were flawless.

[D-Rock]

Problem solved!! Apparently there was "excessive" snow and ice build up in the engine compartment and it went into limp mode to prevent overheating. I guess 7 hours of following plows and big trucks in a snow storm can bung up the engine.

[D-Rock]

It happened again!!! Huge snow storm in Ottawa today (35+cm) and the I got the "Chassis Control" system error. Car went into limp mode (no TC, AWD, can't go above 90km/h). I took it straight to the dealer and there were 2 other Rogues (2014 & 2015) with the exact same problem. It turns out there is now NTB15-026 for this problem "2015-2015 Rogue; Lacks power due to snow ingestion". The NTB was released in April 2015.

It turns out a new grille is needed, with tighter coverage and blocks and foam in places where excessive snow can enter. The grille part number is 62310-9TA0A (different code if you have NAV). Price $240.99 CDN with an estimate of a half hour's labour.

[ImStricken06]

It turns out a new grille is needed, with tighter coverage and blocks and foam in places where excessive snow can enter. The grille part number is 62310-9TA0A (different code if you have NAV). Price $240.99 CDN with an estimate of a half hour's labour.

unreal.

[D-Rock]

Isn't it crazy? I hate to reinforce a Canadian stereotype but how can a car not handle this amount of snow? It's an absolute beast in otherwise "normal" winter conditions but once it eats too much snow it shuts down. I'm actually kind of curious to see the new grille. Maybe it will look better than the standard one.

[outtolearn88]

Hi D-ROCK, Are you saying that you need to pay $$$ for the new grille ? Should it not be covered under warranty ??

Please let me know I own a 2014 SL AWD in Quebec & have noticed the snow in engine bay in the last snowstorm.

Thanks for sharing.

[D-Rock]

Hi outtolearn88, if you're within your warranty period it should be covered. I've got over 100,000km on mine so it wasn't covered. The way the NTB (bulletin) was described to me was that it's just a guideline for the service technician's to use for a potential problem a car could have. Since it's not a recall it's not covered for out-of-warranty vehicles.

I'm about 20K km away from what will be Rogue #5 for me (it's my company car) so I'll be requesting this grille before I take delivery. Even if you have to pay for it out of pocket, I think it's definitely worth your while.

Did your last instance of snow in the engine bay affect the performance of the car at all?

[outtolearn88]

Hi D-ROCK, Wow that's a lot of driving.....
No I didn't have any performance issues but.....

I've never had a vehicle which is so hard to heat up !
All I can say is the interior never warms up in this ROGUE. The automatic climate control is just not doing it's job !

Have you the same issue or impression ?

Thanks for sharing

[Maximus099]

Hi guys, i'm from the south shore of MTL and also must admit that my 2014sv awd takes a long time to heat up and the cvt goes at 3000rpm till it reaches its correct temp. annoying.

[outtolearn88]

Hi Maximus099, Welcome aboard. Have you taken up those issue's with the dealer or NISSAN directly ? What kinda of answers have you gotten ?

Thanks for sharing

[Maximus099]

Yes I have, they tell me its normal and thats how their cvt works in order to get to the right temp asap.

[outtolearn88]

I definitely don't think so. Get them to give you that in writing that it's all normal. Then make sure never to go back to that dear ! Find another dealer who will take the time to verify your ROGUE the right way.

Do it now while under warranty.

[Maximus099]

Are you telling me that when you leave your rogue outside over night with -10, -20 degree cel. temp your rpm's dont run higher when you take off the next morning?

[outtolearn88]

Hello Maxximus099,
What I'm saying is it doesn't last very long the higher RPM's when cold. I would say a max of 2 minutes and then I drive away not before that. Like I said, I don't just start and drive away when it's -10°c & colder.

[Maximus099]

But even when you pull away arent your rpm's higher than they are when its warm outside. I'm saying this because idleing for 2 minutes when it's -10 to -20 wont do much until you start driving around a little. thanks for the infos btw.

[outtolearn88]

No I don't think so. Like I said before have it checked out by another dear. Make sure you get everything in writing what every they do tell you. So if you have any trouble's afterwards.

I don't think they took the time to look into it for you.

Good luck because I too see it can be a hit or miss with NISSAN dealership well for any make dealer that it can be this way......

[Maximus099]

I would have to leave it there over night for it to get cold. Maybe I wil.

[bcorson]

My Rogue in cold conditions runs around 750 rpm higher then when warmer or warmed up. I have a 2007 Toyota RAV and it also runs at higher RPMs when cold. The RAV does this by not up shifting as quickly. I would bet it does this until the trans fluid reaches a certain viscosity (temperature). Makes sense but also drags down the fuel economy.

[tsumeone]

Was driving my 2014 AWD Rogue today and got the Chassis System Error when hitting the gas fairly hard from a full stop. The car moved slightly, then stopped having any power to the engine and the chassis system error came on. After a few seconds power came back and I was able to drive normally with the error on. After about a minute, the BSW malfunction error came on as well.

I got home, turned the car off and back on, and now no more errors and I can't reproduce the problem. There has not been any snow on the road for a few days and it was a perfectly clear day outside today with dry roads. I got the car washed yesterday but I don't know how that could cause an issue like this.

Any ideas what could have caused this? Going to call the dealer on Monday.

[D-Rock]

Did you happen to brake really hard prior to the loss of power? My previous Rogue's would sometimes go into limp mode after a very hard stop.

[tsumeone]

Did you happen to brake really hard prior to the loss of power? My previous Rogue's would sometimes go into limp mode after a very hard stop.

Nope, I was at a red light stopped for approximately 20-30 seconds and I had stopped normally at that light. It was on a very slight incline going uphill. When the light turned green, I hit the gas pretty hard as I needed to get over a lane. The car moved slightly, then lost power and the error message came on. After a few seconds, power returned.

[tsumeone]

Dealer says they were unable to reproduce it. Which is what I expected, since I wasn't able to either. Chalked it up to a fluke. They said they found codes, cleared them, and told me to come back if it happens again.

[D-Rock]

Rogue #5, 2016 SV AWD, almost 20K km and I was driving in a pretty bad snow storm and my engine bay clogged up with snow again. The air filter was packed tight. I limped to a Mr.Lube and they said they had never seen anything like it before. I guess Nissan never rectified the the snow ingestion issue. I guess it's time to order another grille again! Unbelievable!!

[tsumeone]

Dealer says they were unable to reproduce it. Which is what I expected, since I wasn't able to either. Chalked it up to a fluke. They said they found codes, cleared them, and told me to come back if it happens again.

My specific problem has come back. Within the past 9 months it's happened at least 10 times. It's always the same condition too - within 1-2 seconds of a hard acceleration from a dead stop on a slight incline. Within 5-30 seconds a BSW Malfunction warning usually also comes on.

Independent mechanic said after digging around the only code they found was P17F0, which if the customer complains of judder would indicate that the CVT needs to be replaced. I'm pretty doubtful of the CVT being the issue. I haven't noticed any judder, and I can drive at 80+ MPH on the Interstate up through the Appalachians and the car doesn't skip a beat. It's only doing this from a dead stop. The Nissan dealership did put the incorrect fluid (NS-2 instead of NS-3) when I had it serviced at 60k. It's printed on the receipt and when I asked them about it they essentially said "the fluid in your car was green so we replaced it with NS-2 which is green; NS-3 is blue". The manual and all TSBs state never to use anything besides NS-3. If it really is the transmission then I guess I'll have to get them to pay for the error, but I don't think it is since the car drives fine otherwise.

One time it did this and the AWD Lock system engaged as well. I only noticed this because after a few minutes of driving the system warned me of AWD Overheat and to stop immediately. There is no documented feature of the car automatically engaging AWD Lock, and the car will not allow you to engage it above 25mph. If you engage it and drive over 25mph, it will turn it off. Even restarting the car didn't fix it this time - the car kept randomly turning AWD Lock on and off for the next 10 miles until I could stop at a gas station and borrow a pliers. Disconnecting the battery corrected that issue.

Because of all this, I'm leaning towards some kind of computer or electrical fault. Possibly with the Chassis Control Module or any wiring going to that. Anyone have any guesses?

[tsumeone]

Just wanted to update that I figured out the AWD Lock problem at least. It happened again without the chassis control error this time. After doing some research I found that in the technical manual (located on this very website, thanks NICOclub) it does state in somewhat broken English: "When there is a difference of revolution speed between the front and rear wheel the shift occasionally changes to direct 4-wheel driving conditions automatically. This is not a malfunction." Not sure why they'd intentionally design it to do something that could damage the transfer case at high speeds, but at least they spelled it out. I had two new front tires put on recently. The back tires are the same size but had about 20k miles of wear on them, making a difference in tread depth of about 3/32"-4/32". I guess the difference between the two sets was just enough that after ~2hrs of driving the car would misbehave with the AWD Lock turning itself on and off. Mechanics were clueless about it, but I bought 2 new rear tires and was able to make two 4 hour trips back to back without issue.

The chassis control error hasn't happened again since then so I'm not sure if it helped that too, but it happened with the factory tires so I doubt changing the tires would matter. My mechanic's best guess on the Chassis Control error is to replace the chassis control module at a cost of about $1000. Probably not going to do that unless it gets worse.