Nissan Quality?

[versatill]

Your all right the Car is perfect for the cost!
Modified by versatill at 2:41 PM 5/14/2009

[Ginsu]

If we could only build and design a decent car here in America! Mexico is not the place to get a car from regardless of the manufacturer. I'm sure If I removed some of the plastic I'd find a few old dried up beans and some soda cans causing all the rattling!

1) You're concerned about fuel economy and you want a Tundra??? Do you actually know anyone who owns one? They're much more disappointing than the Versa.

2) The Versa is not the only car built in Mexico, and its not even the only econo hatch built in Mexico (Aveo), but it is by far the best one. If you want a car built in the US, then be ready to make up the difference in production costs by either paying 1/3 more on the sticker price or settling for even less in terms of build quality to maintain a competitive sale price. What would you be left with? A sardine can on wheels? Think about what you're saying!

3) You're clearly racist and nationalistic. What would you find if you took apart your dream car made in the US? A hand gun in the door panel? A stars & stripes lapel pin? Why do you think "Mexico is not the place to get a car from"? Could it be due to a couple of centuries of economic exploitation and a border open to lucrative trade goods but closed to starving human beings?

I'm sorry for pissing off everyone else on here with this rude reply, but you're a douche bag.

[Ginsu]

Sorry for misreading your OP regarding 4x the mileage, however I still stand by what I said about the Tundra. My father in-law has one and he's never been more disappointed with a vehicle's mileage.

If you seriously think that nationalism and racism can be independent from one another than you need to go talk to some minutemen, or at least watch American History X. I also love the fact that you point to Mexico's current problems as if you are right to blame them for their own crime and corruption as proof of your own superiority, ignoring the question of WHY they need to have lucrative drug trade in the first place.

[Ginsu]

Have you even been inside other compact cars? The Versa's interior is miles ahead of the competition in many ways, including THE USE OF QUALITY SOFT PLASTICS instead of cheap hard surfaces that scratch easily. Every good car review website refers to this. Your original post is complete nonsense. You're a troll!

[AZhitman]

15 cars in 10 years does not an expert make.

The Focus is a joke - Read any legitimate review.

Normally, people upgrade as they buy cars... You went from an Xterra to a Versa?

You bought a $10K car. In fact, you bought one of the 2 cheapest cars (Hyundai Accent) on the market.

You may have been better off buying a used car that was $20K when new. It has nothing to do with the people who assembled it, nor does it have anything to do with Nissan's build quality.

It's a bare-bones, cheap commuter car. Expecting a silk purse for $10K? Ludicrous.

[Ginsu]

Edmonds.com: "Pros: Good fuel economy, roomy interior with an adult-friendly backseat, comfortable ride, soft-touch interior surfaces, available Bluetooth."

It was evident from the beginning that you are racist when you were trashing the Versa and mentioned how you would probably find 'dried up beans' hidden somewhere in the car, and you insisted that you cannot find a well-built car in Mexico, no matter what brand. If you stand by these statements and still try to claim that you're not racist, just a proud American, then you should at least take some kind of sensitivity training at work or something.

As for good and evil, you're right, except for the matter about who is the evil one. You think people keep trying to get over the border because they want to be closer to you? Maybe they like hearing about how much you hate their cars? No. They come over the border because they are starving. Their economy is ****. Have you ever asked yourself why that is? Look at the annual trade dollars flowing north over the border. We have been exploiting Mexico for as long as Mexico has existed, preventing the development of secondary and tertiary industries and thus, the growth of wages. Putting auto manufacturing plants down there is a step in the right direction, although Nissan and others do it to make a profit (exploiting the low labor costs) not because they want to help Mexico develop into an industrial nation. Can you imagine if you were born into that economy? What would your choices be?

Yes, every country has drug lords, but in developed countries, most citizens despise them and they don't get too much leeway in society. The fact that the drug lords in Mexico have so many willing new recruits should tell you something about the dire state of the economy.

You admit that Mexicans are overworked and underpaid, yet you still want to blame their problems on corruption and crime? These are just symptoms of a wider problem: living next to the US and Canada and falling behind early in the game of industrial development and international trade/exploitation.

[AZhitman]

p.s. The Furd F*ckus is assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico.

You want rice and beans with that?

[AZhitman]

Do any of you actually read a person post or do you just make s__t up?

What makes an Expert then? Is there a college course on identifying POS cars? Give me a break. I never claimed to be an expert, I said I know my cars.

I never said I actually thought the Ford F__ked Up was any good. I was saying if I wanted a POS car I could have gotten that one. I went from an Xterra to a Versa for economic reason and was hoping I would get a decently built reliable but not "cheaply built" car. I was trusting in Niisan and they fail miserably! It's funny you say it's a 10k car yet I did'nt pay that. Maybe I should have agrued with the dealer more. I paid 14k for mine. I guess maybe I need to learn how to haggle for a better price.

IF you think it has nothing to do with the people building it then you need to learn about manufacturing basics. It's not the robots making the mistakes.

Yep. I've been "making sh*t up" for 7 years here. Congratulations, you're the first one to figure me out.

The fact remains, you bought the cheapest car in America, and you're expecting luxury.

Since you want to argue, let's rock:

Aside from the interior not appealing to your delicate tactile senses, how is the car "poorly-made"? Has it broken down? Left you stranded? Caught on fire?

Sounds pretty reliable to me.

Oh, wait. You don't like "hard plastic". Boo hoo. Maybe you should have noticed that when you TEST DROVE the car.

And EVERY cheapo car has rattles. Guess what? Nissan skimped on the sound deadening. So, quit whining, order some RAAMmat, install it under the carpet and behind the door panels, and quit blaming it on the people who assembled it.

[robj80]

I am very happy with nissan quality thus far. Even the quality of my versa. I know it's all hard plastic and it rattle a bit but for the money I don't care. As long as the engine lasts me to the usual 200k I see with my nissans then It's all good. Nissan gave me a car I can afford brand new in these hard times and for that I appluad them. Cheap? Yes and thank you for it

I knew about the interior quality of this vehicle on my test drive. So the real question is, did you buy it without looking at it or taking a test drive?

[iluvmyVersa08]

I agree with you. I like my Versa while some people may not. The car was not that cheap for me to buy but I liked the test drive and I liked the interior space and features of the car.

All cars rattle and make some sort of noise when you drive them. I don't think it necessarily depends on the type of car or where the car was made. Yes some cars have more road noise when you drive them, but I think the Versa is great. My brother has a BMW and it rattles and creaks just like my Versa. His interior may be made of better quality materials, but again for the price the Versa suits me just fine. Compared to my last car it is like a BMW to me.

I am very happy with nissan quality thus far. As long as the engine lasts me to the usual 200k I see with my nissans then It's all good.

I hope mine lasts to 200k. I would be very happy if it did.

[iluvmyVersa08]

Since you want to argue, let's rock:

Aside from the interior not appealing to your delicate tactile senses, how is the car "poorly-made"? Has it broken down? Left you stranded? Caught on fire?

Sounds pretty reliable to me.

Thank you

[1_Sleek_Versa]

I'm seriously pissed off that my 14,000$ Nissan did not come with a factory cigar humidifier and wine cooler. WTF Nissan!!

/sarcasm

[AZhitman]

I'm seriously pissed off that my 14,000$ Nissan did not come with a factory cigar humidifier and wine cooler. WTF Nissan!!

/sarcasm

Nicely done, Sir.

[ADOversa]

I'm sorry for pissing off everyone else on here with this rude reply, but you're a douche bag.

I don't think your pissing off anyone on here. Your saying what most people are probably thinking. I applaud you for that!

If that douche-canoe doesn't like his car, he can just sell it or park it on railroad tracks or push it off a cliff or do whatever someone with his vast "expertise" on cars would do. Seriously... if you don't like your car why make useless posts about it? Take your e-thuggery elsewhere.

[Ginsu]

Well, this argument started and finished relatively quickly.

I wouldn't mind if you just deleted the whole thread AZ.

[AZhitman]

I'm amazed at the inability of the OP to stick to and defend his position... going so far as to edit his first post... weaksauce.

[iluvmyVersa08]

I'm amazed at the inability of the OP to stick to and defend his position... going so far as to edit his first post... weaksauce.

That is hilarious, I just noticed the edited post! haha!

[Red Devil]

I'm amazed at the inability of the OP to stick to and defend his position... going so far as to edit his first post... weaksauce.

That's because he is what's commonly reffered to as a tool. They're are known to interbreed with douchebags.

[ADOversa]

That's because he is what's commonly reffered to as a tool. They're are known to interbreed with douchebags.

[APEXi240]

Yep. I've been "making sh*t up" for 7 years here.

I knew it!

[grogman]

That's because he is what's commonly reffered to as a tool. They're are known to interbreed with douchebags.

......agreed............one thing our prez could do is forced sterilization on morons like this so we would have a perfectly harmonious synonymous coexistance with agreeable folks.................BORING...........the world evolves around disagreement........that is what makes a forum a forum............

[ADOversa]

......agreed............one thing our prez could do is forced sterilization on morons like this so we would have a perfectly harmonious synonymous coexistance with agreeable folks.................BORING...........the world evolves around disagreement........that is what makes a forum a forum............

I dunno about that. I am used to posting of VWVortex.com and stuff like this just doesn't fly over there...

[versatill]

I'm amazed at the inability of the OP to stick to and defend his position... going so far as to edit his first post... weaksauce.

What is the point of continuing the argument if there is no way to convince any of you your wrong? All the accusations of being a racists because I wish Americans made good cars and I don't think Mexicans do. The Fact that you are arguing that I claimed to be an expert when I never used that word and all I said was "I know my cars.". So essentially as I said before people seem to be making s__t up. I defended my position and still do but what's the point of defense if the attackers seem to be unable to read and understand? But anyway here's one last try. Delete the thread if your so offended and bothered by the weaksauce though.

The thought that because a car is inexpensive it should feel and be cheaply made is wrong. My Scion was the same cost or less and was 10x better built and better quality. My Honda Civic back in 93 was a "cheap" car and was built better. My 96 Nissan, yes thats right, Sentra was immaculate and well built. This car is just crap. If I could sell it without a loss I would. If a dealership would give me a trade for close to Edmunds trade in I would unload it. If I could have sold it after it was advertised for 4months I would have.

Problems I've had that make me take this unfriendly position:

1. at 10k miles Brakes that squeal like a dying pig and a dealership that gives me the metallic brake noise is normal BS. No car I've ever owned did this! None NEVER.

2. At 3k miles Windshield that cracks from the bottom seal up and over but yet it's my fault and not a defect. Again I never had a car that had a cracked windshield.

3. Rattles and more rattle from a dashboard that's all snapped together and has parts a pieces that don't seem to line up straight or fit together correctly. The dealer opened up some panels and stuffed foam in them to "fix" it.

4. At 4k miles a dead car that wouldn't start and a dealer that said they have no clue and I had to show them their own service bulletin.

5. An A/C that sounds like a dying blow dryer and produce stale cool air that I'd expect from a 10yr old car.

6. TPM sensors that can't decide what pressure they are "ok" with.

7. Seats that seem to only be able to support about 100lbs and are not made for long distance driving.

8. Gas Mileage that seems to be about 5mpg away from even the worst estimates.

There are other things too and I can't wait to offload this car.

So say what you will but I think this car is "Cheap" in all respects and none of those are good respects.

Do you want frys with that?

[robj80]

I need to apologize for saying it's cheap. I am driving a 1.6 with AC which only cost me 11k brand new. So I totally forget that some of you have paid much more then me and yet have the exact same interior. This is the cheapest clipped together car I have driven (in materials and cost). The hard plastics seem to be the norm now in wallet friendly cars. While I am totally content with the hard plastics because of the price paid others might not be. As far as your other complaints and problems I am sorry you had such a horrible experience. Your dealership seems like idiots as well. I'm betting if you had a more caring and knowledgable dealership then maybe your thoughts would be a little better of the versa. Still doesn't make it right that you had all those problems but it may have eased your pain.

Goodluck with your next car or if your keeping the versa hope things get better for you.

[AZhitman]

What is the point of continuing the argument if there is no way to convince any of you your wrong?

Problems I've had that make me take this unfriendly position:

1. at 10k miles Brakes that squeal like a dying pig and a dealership that gives me the metallic brake noise is normal BS. No car I've ever owned did this! None NEVER.

2. At 3k miles Windshield that cracks from the bottom seal up and over but yet it's my fault and not a defect. Again I never had a car that had a cracked windshield.

3. Rattles and more rattle from a dashboard that's all snapped together and has parts a pieces that don't seem to line up straight or fit together correctly. The dealer opened up some panels and stuffed foam in them to "fix" it.

4. At 4k miles a dead car that wouldn't start and a dealer that said they have no clue and I had to show them their own service bulletin.

5. An A/C that sounds like a dying blow dryer and produce stale cool air that I'd expect from a 10yr old car.

6. TPM sensors that can't decide what pressure they are "ok" with.

7. Seats that seem to only be able to support about 100lbs and are not made for long distance driving.

8. Gas Mileage that seems to be about 5mpg away from even the worst estimates.

There are other things too and I can't wait to offload this car.

So say what you will but I think this car is "Cheap" in all respects and none of those are good respects.

Do you want frys with that?

Because you didn't mention any of that in your initial rant. Duh.

You were too busy being angry and mean about the people who put it together, instead of supporting your statement with factual backup.

When you roll in LATE to the party with evidence to support your position, it's much like doing a murder investigation after we've fried the bad guy.

I'm an investigator - I respect the process, but it has to be in the right order.

Oh, and BTW: It's "FRIES", not frys. Maybe you can blame the Mexicans for your poor spelling, too.

p.s. As far as your original statement, I agree. I'd be pissed as well. You got a lemon.

[versatill]

Because you didn't mention any of that in your initial rant. Duh.

You were too busy being angry and mean about the people who put it together, instead of supporting your statement with factual backup.

When you roll in LATE to the party with evidence to support your position, it's much like doing a murder investigation after we've fried the bad guy.

I'm an investigator - I respect the process, but it has to be in the right order.

Oh, and BTW: It's "FRIES", not frys. Maybe you can blame the Mexicans for your poor spelling, too.

p.s. As far as your original statement, I agree. I'd be pissed as well. You got a lemon.

I did mention that information in the original post but it much less detail. I wasn't trying to write a book at that point. I was just voicing my thoughts on quality. Not a single person said, "Hey what exact problems have you had?". So Duh back at ya.

I wasn't being mean or angry I was stating my opinion and being frustrated. I don't think Mexico makes quality products. Nor does China, or a host of other countries.

Often times the "bad" guy does get fried and then it's later determined that he wasn't the bad guy.

Also by the way it would be more of a grammatical error then a spelling error since Frys is technically spelled correctly when referring to the Electronic or Drug store chain. Which at that moment I was thinking that it be nice to go to a Fry's and buy a new stereo. But I do have to admit I could blame the Mexicans as you say for my poor spelling/grammar since they're in our schools illegally and taking away time and resources from legal residents in the public school system.

I agree with your last agreement and I wish I could get the Lemon Law enacted, but it's not that simple and will take several more visits to the dealership.

Correction - Would you like Fries with that?

[VersaMG08]

What is the point of continuing the argument if there is no way to convince any of you your wrong? All the accusations of being a racists because I wish Americans made good cars and I don't think Mexicans do. The Fact that you are arguing that I claimed to be an expert when I never used that word and all I said was "I know my cars.". So essentially as I said before people seem to be making s__t up. I defended my position and still do but what's the point of defense if the attackers seem to be unable to read and understand? But anyway here's one last try. Delete the thread if your so offended and bothered by the weaksauce though.

The thought that because a car is inexpensive it should feel and be cheaply made is wrong. My Scion was the same cost or less and was 10x better built and better quality. My Honda Civic back in 93 was a "cheap" car and was built better. My 96 Nissan, yes thats right, Sentra was immaculate and well built. This car is just crap. If I could sell it without a loss I would. If a dealership would give me a trade for close to Edmunds trade in I would unload it. If I could have sold it after it was advertised for 4months I would have.

Problems I've had that make me take this unfriendly position:

1. at 10k miles Brakes that squeal like a dying pig and a dealership that gives me the metallic brake noise is normal BS. No car I've ever owned did this! None NEVER.

2. At 3k miles Windshield that cracks from the bottom seal up and over but yet it's my fault and not a defect. Again I never had a car that had a cracked windshield.

3. Rattles and more rattle from a dashboard that's all snapped together and has parts a pieces that don't seem to line up straight or fit together correctly. The dealer opened up some panels and stuffed foam in them to "fix" it.

4. At 4k miles a dead car that wouldn't start and a dealer that said they have no clue and I had to show them their own service bulletin.

5. An A/C that sounds like a dying blow dryer and produce stale cool air that I'd expect from a 10yr old car.

6. TPM sensors that can't decide what pressure they are "ok" with.

7. Seats that seem to only be able to support about 100lbs and are not made for long distance driving.

8. Gas Mileage that seems to be about 5mpg away from even the worst estimates.

There are other things too and I can't wait to offload this car.

So say what you will but I think this car is "Cheap" in all respects and none of those are good respects.

Do you want frys with that?

I haven't had any problems with the windshield cracking at 3k miles. There must of been a huge gravel that hit your window while you were driving, or a fault with the glass.

The car not starting is probably the fuel pump has gone bad. I had that problem, but I fixed it myself by turning the ignition to right, run for 10 seconds and it starts up fine fine.

For the tires, get a digital tire gauge. Check your tires often, especially when it gets cold outside. Colder air condenses and warm air expands. That maybe the reason the TPMS light goes off. There could be a leak somewhere, just get it checked out.

Seats are fine. I know there's not much leg support for your quads but it's still comfortable during long trips. I drove from Colorado to Nebraska to visit family and it was a comfortable ride the entire way.

Most people experience the poor MPG especially when they're in their breakin period. I'm still frusterated with it but hope it gets better in the near future.

If none of the advice helps out then you probably got a lemon like AZhitman said earlier.

[versatill]

I haven't had any problems with the windshield cracking at 3k miles. There must of been a huge gravel that hit your window while you were driving, or a fault with the glass.

The car not starting is probably the fuel pump has gone bad. I had that problem, but I fixed it myself by turning the ignition to right, run for 10 seconds and it starts up fine fine.

For the tires, get a digital tire gauger. Check your tires often, especially when it gets cold outside. Colder air condenses and warm air expands. That maybe the reason the TPMS light goes off. There could be a leak somewhere, just get it checked out.

Seats are fine. I know there's not much leg support for your quads but it's still comfortable during long trips. I drove from Colorado to Nebraska to visit family and it was a comfortable ride the entire way.

Most people experience the poor MPG especially when they're in their breakin period. I'm still frusterated with it but hope it gets better in the near future.

If none of the advice helps out then you probably got a lemon like AZhitman said earlier.

All been checked and re-checked. According to Nissan and the Dealer nothing is wrong with anything. Digital Pressure Gauge, Check! Windshield rock check, NONE. Car not starting, Fuel Regulator replaced. Seats, well it could be that yours are better then mine? MPG, I would hope after 11,500 miles it would be broken enough already.

[Bubs daddy]

Quote »Also by the way it would be more of a grammatical error then a spelling error since Frys is technically spelled correctly when referring to the Electronic or Drug store chain.[/quote]But you weren't referring to the store or chain, which would be a proper noun. Hence the capitalization as well. It's a spelling error. You can't even admit that.

Quote »Would you like Fries with that? [/quote]No need to capitalize in this context. Just "fries" will do.

[versatill]

But you weren't referring to the store or chain, which would be a proper noun. Hence the capitalization as well. It's a spelling error. You can't even admit that.

No need to capitalize in this context. Just "fries" will do.

If it will help your Ego feel better I'd be happy to admit the following;

1. I used the word Frys when I should have used the word fries. 2. In using the word frys and then trying to say it was a grammar error I was also mistaken because Frys was not capitalized nor did it have the correct format of "Fry's".3. In trying to excuse myself I said it was a grammar error when it really was only a spelling error.4. When I said again, "Do you want Fries with that?" I accidentally capitalized the F.5. I mistakenly thought that all Nissan Versa's were POS's. Apparently that's not the case and only mine and a few others, may or may not be, POS's.6. Mexicans are still to blame for all of the above mistakes.

Would you like to super size that?