Nissan QUALITY Decline

[Nomorenissans]

In my opinion I think it is laughable that you devote an entire website to Nissan, but when you read through the various forums millions of customers are having quality problems with their Nissans all over this country. I for one will never buy another Nissan....Nissan knows they have serious problems with their transmissions, but they continue to sell and promote their cars with these same problems. When Nissan extended their transmission warranty that should have been a red flag to the buying public. CVT or whatever you want to call it is a failed design, the transmission will not hold up past 95,000 miles..get ready to spend big bucks for replacement. The special Nissan transmission fluid they require is just another money maker scam for Nissan, and the transmission parts are cheap and will not hold up longterm. Maybe I am missing something here, but why would you devote an entire website to cars and trucks that look good, but fall apart after two or three years? Nissan customers should be protesting to Japan and asking tough questions about their transmissions. I guess if you enjoy spending big bucks to have your transmission replaced, and wasting hours around some Nissan dealership waiting for repairs then in my opinion the Nissan is the right car for you. I just do not get it why this site is all excited about the overpriced junk cars made and sold by Nissan? Watch the newspapers after NYC gets all those new Nissan cabs, lets see how many cabs have transmission problems after one or two years.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

I drive a 240sx so your statement is invalid.

[hitbychance]

I have an idea!, cry to someone who cares!

[Coupe12]

Why do you drive a Nissan then? Hypocrite. I think it's laughable that you drive one, join this website, then talk about them both

[kouki munster]

In my opinion I think it is laughable that you devote an entire website to Nissan, but when you read through the various forums millions of customers are having quality problems with their Nissans all over this country. I for one will never buy another Nissan....Nissan knows they have serious problems with their transmissions, but they continue to sell and promote their cars with these same problems. When Nissan extended their transmission warranty that should have been a red flag to the buying public. CVT or whatever you want to call it is a failed design, the transmission will not hold up past 95,000 miles..get ready to spend big bucks for replacement. The special Nissan transmission fluid they require is just another money maker scam for Nissan, and the transmission parts are cheap and will not hold up longterm. Maybe I am missing something here, but why would you devote an entire website to cars and trucks that look good, but fall apart after two or three years? Nissan customers should be protesting to Japan and asking tough questions about their transmissions. I guess if you enjoy spending big bucks to have your transmission replaced, and wasting hours around some Nissan dealership waiting for repairs then in my opinion the Nissan is the right car for you. I just do not get it why this site is all excited about the overpriced junk cars made and sold by Nissan? Watch the newspapers after NYC gets all those new Nissan cabs, lets see how many cabs have transmission problems after one or two years.

Nominated for best first post of the year?

[Kompresshun]

I'm glad that you can obviously vouch for the quality of EVERY Nissan vehicle ever made, that's quite impressive. So what are you going to tell us next? That Toyotas quality is through the roof and they make interesting cars?

While the early CVTs have had their issues, Nissan is quite aware of the problem and are improving them. Everyone has problems with nearly every make and model of vehicle, in some shape or form, not just a single brand or just a specific model. Get in line with everyone else who expects they're vehicle to be perfect, never require service, run on plants and omit gold dust from the exhaust pipe

[AppleBonker]

Not happy with entire website devoted to Nissans. Check.

Reason why: hates CVT transmissions.

[AZhitman]

Well, Jim, your parents obviously didn't abort you, even though you were apparently born with an inability to reason and think logically.

So, we're not about to shut down a huge site that has been around over 10 years and gets tons of traffic just because you;re butt-hurt about your personal experience. Sorry to disappoint you.

By the way, your experience appears to be an anomaly (or at least not as dismal as your overdramatization leads one to believe):

• Nissan overall: JD Power Initial Quality 2011: Nissan ranked "average" across all nine categories.
• Nissan cube: IQS Award - Compact MPV, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Frontier: IQS Award - Midsize Pickup, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Maxima: IQS Award – Large Car, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan cube: Highest rank - Compact MPV, APEAL Study, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Maxima: #2 - Large Car, APEAL Study, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Frontier: #3 - Midsize Pickup, APEAL Study, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Armada: #2 - Large Crossover/SUV segment, APEAL Study, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan 370Z: 2010 Best of What’s New, Popular Science (US)
• Nissan cube: Design of the Year, Automobile Magazine (US)
• Nissan Xterra: SUV of the Year, Four Wheeler Magazine (US)
• Infiniti QX56: Best Buy – Full-size/Luxury SUV, Consumers Digest (US)
• Infiniti M: Motorist Choice Award - Performance category for Premium Brands, IntelliChoice and AutoPacific (US)
• Infiniti G35 sedan: Car and Driver's 10Best for 2009, 2007, 2004, 2003
• Infiniti G35 Coupe: Car of the Year 2003
• Infiniti G37 sedan: Cars.com's 2009 Best Bets for Luxury Vehicles
• Infiniti G37 Coupe: KBB 2008 Best Resale Value Award
• Infiniti M-series: Popular Mechanics Top 2011 luxury vehicle
• Infiniti M-series: Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) 2010 Top Safety Pick
• Infiniti EX: Best Luxury Compact Crossover for the Money, US News

Nissan Altima is the best-selling sedan in America.

Nissan Z cars currently hold the record for the best selling sports car series of all time with over 2 million cars sold.

Nissan is the best selling car in Mexico (24% market share) and a Nissan has dominated the taxi fleets of Mexico for 20 years. f that doesn't speak to durability, I don't know what does.

You bought the CVT Rogue. Maybe you should have done your homework if you didn't like it.

p.s. We have several members with CVT's well over 100K miles. Your facts are flawed.

[Encryptshun]

Sounds like someone just found out his/her transmission failed at 95K miles.

Welcome to the Nissan and Infiniti Car Owners forum. The forum whose very name invalidates the entire premise for your first post.

[AZhitman]

In my opinion I think it is laughable that you devote an entire website to Nissan, but when you read through the various forums millions of customers are having quality problems with their Nissans all over this country. I for one will never buy another Nissan....Nissan knows they have serious problems with their transmissions, but they continue to sell and promote their cars with these same problems. When Nissan extended their transmission warranty that should have been a red flag to the buying public. CVT or whatever you want to call it is a failed design, the transmission will not hold up past 95,000 miles..

...quoted for subliminal message... Spooky.

[Encryptshun]

We should take OP's post and sub in "Dale L. Davis" for "Nissan".

Google will rank it so high it'll show up in 3D.

[mmkeller]

booohooohoooohoooohoooo it sucks to be you

[Razi]

All our cars are Nissan/Infiniti, and have upwards of 165k miles and are running strong.

[AppleBonker]

In my opinion I think it is laughable that you devote an entire website to Nissan, but when you read through the various forums millions of customers are having quality problems with their Nissans all over this country. I for one will never buy another Nissan....Nissan knows they have serious problems with their transmissions, but they continue to sell and promote their cars with these same problems. When Nissan extended their transmission warranty that should have been a red flag to the buying public. CVT or whatever you want to call it is a failed design, the transmission will not hold up past 95,000 miles..

...quoted for subliminal message... Spooky.

Bwahahaha. How long did you read through that to pull that out?

[Kompresshun]

All our cars are Nissan/Infiniti, and have upwards of 165k miles and are running strong.

145k here and it still runs beautifully. 5th Nissan i've owned with over 100k miles on it too.

[AZhitman]

Bwahahaha. How long did you read through that to pull that out?

...about 30 seconds... it's not really that subliminal.

[Bubba1]

In my opinion I think it is laughable that you devote an entire website to Nissan, but when you read through the various forums millions of customers are having quality problems with their Nissans all over this country. I for one will never buy another Nissan....Nissan knows they have serious problems with their transmissions, but they continue to sell and promote their cars with these same problems. When Nissan extended their transmission warranty that should have been a red flag to the buying public. CVT or whatever you want to call it is a failed design, the transmission will not hold up past 95,000 miles..get ready to spend big bucks for replacement. The special Nissan transmission fluid they require is just another money maker scam for Nissan, and the transmission parts are cheap and will not hold up longterm. Maybe I am missing something here, but why would you devote an entire website to cars and trucks that look good, but fall apart after two or three years? Nissan customers should be protesting to Japan and asking tough questions about their transmissions. I guess if you enjoy spending big bucks to have your transmission replaced, and wasting hours around some Nissan dealership waiting for repairs then in my opinion the Nissan is the right car for you. I just do not get it why this site is all excited about the overpriced junk cars made and sold by Nissan? Watch the newspapers after NYC gets all those new Nissan cabs, lets see how many cabs have transmission problems after one or two years.

Welcome. If you've read this forum before starting this thread, you'll find you are not the only one that has expressed concerns about Nissan's decision to switch their automatic transmissions en masse to CVT. There are many purists on NICO (well, like me) that strongly prefer standard transmissions and don't normally buy automatic or CVT equipped cars. But realistically, you have only heard insinuations, innuendo, and a few isolated individual complaints. Nissan has invested a lotta money over the last few years in CVT development to the point they are confident in it's ability to hold up with widespread consumer use. They've extended the warranty to calm some fears. Is CVT the future of automatic transmissions? Who knows? But we DO know is the NYC cab fleet represents an incredible opportunity to test Nissan's CVT for long term reliability. That taxi fleet is driven hard 24/7 for several hundred thousand miles per car with by the book maintenance. We'll soon see how durable CVT really is. That data is surely to be shared., and our membership is welcome to comment on it, both good and bad. I'm not suggesting you blindly accept CVT and buy a Nissan because of it, but I do suggest you at least keep an open mind and not condemn Nissan's CVT until it has had a chance to prove itself.

[Jesda]

Nissan CVTs are trash -- trash to drive, trash to own, trash to maintain.

But but... GT-R!



Nissan is taking after old GM by producing a handful of world-beating high-performance cars while the rest of its products go to the crapper. There's only so much market share to gain by competing on price and using incentives to lure people into dealerships. Over the long term, customers will notice the crummy build quality and switch brands. There's plenty of other Japanese makes and Ford, GM, and Chrysler are hungry. On top of that, the Germans are moving downmarket to compete directly with Japan.

[szh]

fall apart after two or three years?

Huhn? Where on earth did you get this "fact" from?

My experience with owning and driving Nissan (and Infiniti) vehicles is 25 years long and still going strong! I bought and drove my 1985 Nissan 300ZX Turbo for 6 years, and sold it in perfect running condition in 1991 when I bought my first Infiniti (a 1991 Q45 that I kept for 7 years).

Most recently, my current 2003 Infiniti (by Nissan) M45, with a manufacture date of Dec 2002 (that I bought in Sep 2003), has been running fine - yeah, it has had some issues, but nothing that would cause me to say "it has fallen apart". Certainly not in 2 or 4 years.

The only serious difficulty with Nissan/Infiniti that I have had, was with my 1995 Q45 that had a transmission issue caused by poor maintenance by the previous owner (I bought a lease return - mistake!). Even with that one major issue, after I replaced the transmission, it ran fine till I sold it in Sep of 2003.

Maybe I am missing something here ...

Yes ... yes ... I do believe that this portion of your post has merit!

Z

[nissangirl74]

Did your CVT fail? If so, you need to contact Nissan.

Taken from the Nissan Website:

Every Nissan is backed by a 36-month/36,000-mile limited vehicle coverage and a 5-year/60,000-mile limited powertrain coverage. 2003-2010 Vehicles equipped with a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) also have a 10-year /120,000 mile CVT limited warranty extension. (For complete information, see your Nissan dealer and read the actual limited warranty.) For extra protection, you can also add Security+Plus®, the only extended service agreement approved by Nissan.

For more warranty information or questions on 2003-2010 vehicles equipped with a Continuously Variable Transmission please visit www.NissanAssist.com

[krash]

My 240sx trans ran fine for 6 months on a quart of gear oil. Irrelevant? Nope, you did address Nissan as a whole.

Did your CVT fail? If so, you need to contact Nissan.

Taken from the Nissan Website:

2003-2010 Vehicles equipped with a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) also have a 10-year /120,000 mile CVT limited warranty extension.[/u]

Also, just throwing this in there, you can't forget routine maintenance and expect the car to live a long life.

[93coupe]

Sr20 swap your Rogue. Problem solved.

[Rev_D21]

My 16 year old D21 Hardbody does not agree with OPs post. Neither does my 9 year old D22.

[AZhitman]

My 1960, 1963, 1964, 1967, 1967.5, 1968, 1972, 1993, 2005 and 2009 Nissan products beg to differ as well.

OP best hope they aren't sitting in the garage reading this thread... they might decide to go all Toy Story on ya.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsusakRf7T8[/youtube]

[JoeCool6972]

The continuously variable transmission (CVT) us a great idea. And sure like most new things they had their bugs when they first came out in cars. They have been in use for many years in other vehicles such as tractors, tanks, machinery, and aircraft. And it's actually the oldest design of mechanical engineering, dating back 500 years. There are many plus sides versus your two points. Better fuel economy, instant power and torque, longer range of power and torque. Longer fluid life, less maintenance. While I agree Nissan's roller based CVT could use improvement, it still is one with few problems. I like Ford's Chain based ones better. Heck I love the CVT transmission in the wife's 2007 Fusion. 70,000 miles and zero problems. AS for the special Nissan fluid, you can use any brand, as long as it is designed for CVT transmissions.

But your mind is already made up. So go buy a damn Toyota TuRD and see how F'd up a car manufacturer can really be! At least Nissan admits it's THEIR problem, and doesn't try to blame the consumer. And my 31 year old Datsun 720 pickup that is still running strong on original engine, transmission, and rear differential and a daily driver makes your point invalid!

[Jesda]

I think the original post generally addressed modern Nissans, which I would generally not buy except for the Titan and 370Z. And the Titan, an excellent truck, is no longer the best deal on the market with Chrysler's Tradesman and Express pickups priced just over $22k with 390hp V8s.

I have nothing but fond memories of the old Maximas and Q45s of my past. They were built with care and felt substantive and durable.

[Oatmealman]

lots of yota hate jesus christ.I love the s*** out of my truck.Love me some 22re(not the power part).

[Ace2cool]

Lol at this whole thread. Trolls be trollin'.

[carloslebaron]

Well, Jim, your parents obviously didn't abort you, even though you were apparently born with an inability to reason and think logically.

So, we're not about to shut down a huge site that has been around over 10 years and gets tons of traffic just because you;re butt-hurt about your personal experience. Sorry to disappoint you.

By the way, your experience appears to be an anomaly (or at least not as dismal as your overdramatization leads one to believe):

• Nissan overall: JD Power Initial Quality 2011: Nissan ranked "average" across all nine categories.
• Nissan cube: IQS Award - Compact MPV, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Frontier: IQS Award - Midsize Pickup, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Maxima: IQS Award – Large Car, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan cube: Highest rank - Compact MPV, APEAL Study, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Maxima: #2 - Large Car, APEAL Study, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Frontier: #3 - Midsize Pickup, APEAL Study, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan Armada: #2 - Large Crossover/SUV segment, APEAL Study, J.D. Power and Associates (US)
• Nissan 370Z: 2010 Best of What’s New, Popular Science (US)
• Nissan cube: Design of the Year, Automobile Magazine (US)
• Nissan Xterra: SUV of the Year, Four Wheeler Magazine (US)
• Infiniti QX56: Best Buy – Full-size/Luxury SUV, Consumers Digest (US)
• Infiniti M: Motorist Choice Award - Performance category for Premium Brands, IntelliChoice and AutoPacific (US)
• Infiniti G35 sedan: Car and Driver's 10Best for 2009, 2007, 2004, 2003
• Infiniti G35 Coupe: Car of the Year 2003
• Infiniti G37 sedan: Cars.com's 2009 Best Bets for Luxury Vehicles
• Infiniti G37 Coupe: KBB 2008 Best Resale Value Award
• Infiniti M-series: Popular Mechanics Top 2011 luxury vehicle
• Infiniti M-series: Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) 2010 Top Safety Pick
• Infiniti EX: Best Luxury Compact Crossover for the Money, US News

Nissan Altima is the best-selling sedan in America.

Nissan Z cars currently hold the record for the best selling sports car series of all time with over 2 million cars sold.

Nissan is the best selling car in Mexico (24% market share) and a Nissan has dominated the taxi fleets of Mexico for 20 years. f that doesn't speak to durability, I don't know what does.

You bought the CVT Rogue. Maybe you should have done your homework if you didn't like it.

p.s. We have several members with CVT's well over 100K miles. Your facts are flawed.

The awards and praise for Nissan cars are deserved, because Nissan is a great car brand.

However, and concerned about the first post in this thread, I observed some -lets call it- funny situations when comparing the list from above and what I experienced in two Nissan dealers.

In Virginia, city of Leesburg, there is a Nissan dealer. We went to check a new 2011 Altima while doing some runs in that area. It was the end of October last year, and they had in the front parking lot, more than twenty five 2010 Altimas, and only two 2011 Altimas for sale. I guess that this dealer "collected" all the 2010 Altimas from other dealers, because they were a lot in number for to be unsold "last year Altima's model" .

In another dealer, located in Maryland, Route 198, I think is Laurel, we drove the 2011 Nissan Maxima. Wow, what a vehicle, smooth, fast, powerful. I guess -again- that the vehicle we tested was the only one with this problem, I can't tell because we have not tested another Maxima yet, but, after driving a cheap Hyundai XG350 for 6 years,-we took the XG350 for repairs at the Hyundai dealer located besides Nissan- when we made a comparison, we found the Nissan Maxima to be noisy on the inside. Of course, you turn On the music and you fix the problem, but it was noisy. So, such a beautiful piece of art, but noisy. The XG350 I own is not making the "diesel motor sound yet", a very popular sound in this model after years of use, and the feeling inside was and sitll is quiet, like driving a Mercedes Benz; while the Nissan Maxima we tested was new with 4 miles in the odometer, and the sound of the machine was loud inside.

Those have been my experiences with Nissan lately. I don't agree with the idea that Nissan is not a good brand, on the contrary, from the many brands we have tested looking for a new car, Nissan still is one of the best candidates.

[dgms240]

my fiance has an '09 rogue cvt fwd. bought it summer '08, currently has around 60,000 miles and we've had zero issues with it.