Nissan New Mobility Concept

[AZhitman]

Nissan recently took the covers off of the New Mobility Concept, a user-friendly, ultra-compact 100% electric vehicle with no emissions. The concept is designed for the sustainable zero-emission society of the not too distant future.



This is just the latest concept vehicle from Nissan helping to illustrate the new possibilities realized by EVs. The New Mobility Concept is designed specifically to provide a sustainable, efficient and convenient mode of transportation focusing on the increase of elderly and single households.



Nissan is studying a variety of uses for this latest concept, including a mobility service for public transportation. The New Mobility Concept may also be ideal for a 2-mode EV car sharing service, where the vehicle is used as a private commuter vehicle in the mornings and evenings, and as a corporate car during business hours.

[PEZi]

WHY ARE WE LETTING THE HIPPIES WIN!!?!?!?!!?!?!?

[Razi]

Pff.
My school campus has golf carts that are SIX seaters!
That one seater has nothin on us!

[leesredgt]

meh.

[Razi]

This reminds me...
My friend's mosque has a dead electric golf cart.
I want to fix it and have some shenanigans with it!

[Dattebayo]

That's not new... It looks exactly like a previous concept that you showed to us a few years ago.

[AZhitman]

That doesn't make it "not new".

You're thinking of the Pivo. Check www.conceptnissan.com

Yes, it's new.

[Encryptshun]

This reminds me...
My friend's mosque has a dead electric golf cart.
I want to fix it and have some shenanigans with it!

Would that make it "Allah-cart"?

[AZhitman]

This reminds me...
My friend's mosque has a dead electric golf cart.
I want to fix it and have some shenanigans with it!

Would that make it "Allah-cart"?

WIN.

[Dattebayo]

You're thinking of the Pivo.

Whatever. They took that boatload of fail and converted it into a golf cart.

But the NV2500 LCV Concept is pretty damn cool.

[sbird1]

These things have just as big of a carbon footprint as any other car with a real engine. Consumers are dumb and just want new green stuff even if it doesn't help anyone but Nissan (in this case).

[Encryptshun]

sbird, that's very easy to quip off on a forum -- go ahead and provide the data that backs up your claim. I'm not suggesting that you are wrong, but since you brought it up, go ahead and finish what you started. I am asking to be educated -- educate me.

Oh, and no replies of "you go ahead and look it up yourself"...that's dodging accountability, and the burden of proof is on you for this one Besides, if you have done enough research to be able to make this assertion, it should be no problem for you to lay out your bibliography. Maybe we can end this rhetoric-heavy debate once and for all.

[sbird1]

Let me dig up some Scientific American articles...

[AZhitman]

If he can't, I can.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "as big", but certainly I've been quite vocal about the "false green-ness" of the Prius and other feel-good marketing ploys.

[sbird1]

Check the source at the bottom. I have to get on the road or else I would...

http://www.toyotatips.com/Carbon-Footpr ... 133-3.html

[Encryptshun]

Okay, so the article compares an all-electric to a hybrid. That isn't the same thing as saying "any other car with a real engine". It is also stating that the carbon footprint basis is dependent on where on the grid you are -- so if you are charging up someplace where the electricty is green(er), then that also skews your assertion.

I'm not trying to bust anybody's balls -- seriously. I'm not trying to nit-pick. BUT, let's be transparent with our terminology. Using incendiary analogies or deliberately choosing rhetorically-charged but ultimately sensationalist messaging impedes real progress by cutting the legs off any significant fact-based conversations.

[AZhitman]

All true.

However, when you throw in MY position (and it's been steadfast), the pendulum swings even further away from the hybrid or electric: That maintaining an older car in as-new running condition is FAR less environmentally irresponsible than disposing of it and manufacturing a new one.

[Encryptshun]

Sure I agree with you in principal, Greg, but my big problem with the whole "keep it like it is, don't change unless we have to" platform is that it's not sustainable in the long-term. It's a delay tactic at best, and detrimental to progress at worst. Back in the 19th (and 20th) century when factories were belching out soot, hazardous chemicals, and toxic sludge right into the bodies of their workers, no one wanted to do anything because it costs more to change to something better than to keep things like they are. If what you care about is eliminating costs and maximizing profits, then doing nothing is the right answer. (No one was going to stop buying steel from the mills in Pittsburg just because their workers were dying of cancer and emphysema at the age of 35.) If you care about the sustainability of your industry long-term, you gotta take a step or two back in order to find the trail again. Same with current automotive technology. I'm as in love with the automobile as anybody on this forum. I drive a gas-guzzling SUV and I love every second of it. I don't complain about the fact it costs me $100 a week to fill up the tank because that's the tradeoff I elected to make.

Bottom line is that using our current (read: antiquated) power production methods and infrastructure, as well as our current (read: antiquatd) recycling and consumer-good production methods, creating new products like an electric car is absolutely upside-down from a carbon footprint perspective. (And of course, the entire argument is invalid to a MMGW-denier in the first place:) ) But, things aren't going to be this way forever. And we have to make some investments in cultural change and economic incentive to getting this huge overbloated lard-arse petrolium-addict of a country to look up and see the opportunity.

Sorry, I have a little vinegar in my piss this afternoon.

[AZhitman]

I don't disagree in the least. I'm ALL for a better way (remember, I've actually been involved in one of these projects, which I'd never have done if I didn't believe in it).

My issue is with the marketing and the subsequent cluelessness of the "early adopters" and their attitudes towards the rest of us.

NO ONE looks down their nose at me (or my choices) without getting an intellectual tune-up.

So, drive your Priuses and your Volts and your whatevers. But don't scoff at my choices or try to legislate me into YOUR version of "compliance", because at the end of the day, your Pius did FAR more harm to the environment than my '67 Datsun.

[Xdisaster240sX]

I live in Baltimore, Can you imagine the homies hanging out of this during a drive by? Plus it doesnt look like it could handle our east coast weather conditions.

[AZhitman]

I live in Baltimore, Can you imagine the homies hanging out of this during a drive by?

[Razi]

This reminds me...
My friend's mosque has a dead electric golf cart.
I want to fix it and have some shenanigans with it!

Would that make it "Allah-cart"?

Allah-tric golf cart.