Nissan lowered fuel economy

[Ever Victorious]

Clipsed, you have obviously never worked in retail.

Everything that Proxim said is true. While there is a "false advertisement" law, it applies to almost no real scenarios that you would encounter. It takes blatant, obvious misrepresentation to fall under that.

And what he said about Best Buy is true... the manager had no REQUIREMENT to give you the TV at that price. He did so to keep a customer happy. Or get rid of a demo unit. Or both.

I worked at a store where our "customers" would go to the areas where associates couldn't see them, then switch tags around and try to claim that a better product was marked at the lower price. We didn't fall for it... ever. Our SKU tags showed both our SKU number (also printed on the product) AND the UPC number, which is universal for the same product no matter where it is purchased.

I've worked in retail for 11 years. I am no longer, thankfully. But even to this day, if I see a guy like you pulling stupid crap like that in a store, I want to drive my boot through the back of your neck and out your mouth because you are all so full of it, and people like you are the reason policies and rules in stores keep getting tighter every day. Not to mention the fact that most of you verbally abuse the crap out of the MINIMUM WAGE CLERK who is helping you. God you must feel great about yourself.

This discussion about how "Nissan is screwing everyone" ends NOW. Any further discussions will be removed.

If you have a problem with your gas mileage, talk to Nissan or go see your dealer about it. We've all heard enough of your whiny conspiracy theories in here, go DO something about it.

[Clipsed]

lol you need to chill no need to rant on, I appologized to him and explained myself. And yes I do work in retail. I am not gonna argue with you on a forum, but you need to chill out and not tell me who you THINK I am, because you don't know me just as I don't know you.

[marleyfan]

Hey EV. You used to be so nice til you went all Subaru on us.

I worked in retail for 10 yrs too. It's amazing what people will try in order to save a couple bucks. The store I worked at had a very liberal return policy. The cheapest of bastards would come out of the woodwork to take advantage of that. (Clipsed not saying you are one of those) There was this one guy who would buy his lawnmower in the spring and return it in the fall claiming he wasnt satisfied with it. He did this for 4 yrs in a row until one manager finally recognized that the company doesn't actually need people who bring that kind of business, and refused the return. Luggage and camera equipment would be purchased for vacations and returned afterward. A shopper would leave a more expensive item on a table of sale items during the course of shopping, then the next customer would claim that we HAVE TO sell it at the sale price because it was on the sale table. Sure am glad I'm out of retail now.

What does this have to do with the Versa?? Nothing

And EV....tomorrow morning.....try the other side of the bed.

[stevenjb]

WOW !

All this overly energetic talk about working in retail for x number of years at y number of dollars. And how Nissan has lowered the EPA estimated mpg by z miles to be inline with the actual mpg.

You know, if you don't like your job, quit it and do something else.If you don't like the mpg stated by Nissan, complain to Nissan, or don't buy their product.

It is best to be at peace with what you have, than try to tear it to pieces later.

Such silly- ness in here.

[marleyfan]

WOW !

All this overly energetic talk about working in retail for x number of years at y number of dollars. And how Nissan has lowered the EPA estimated mpg by z miles to be inline with the actual mpg.

You know, if you don't like your job, quit it and do something else.If you don't like the mpg stated by Nissan, complain to Nissan, or don't buy their product.

It is best to be at peace with what you have, then try to tear it to pieces later.

Such silly- ness in here.

I don't see anybody complaining about their current job in this thread. And these forums are supposed to be a place where you can express yourself aren't they? As for the Versa. Most of us purchased Nissan's product before complaints of poor mileage started. And I have complained to Nissan and will continue to do so. These forum are simply a place where we can compare notes and find out if we are alone in our experiences or if there is a common thread. I, for one, will continue to btch and complain in some threads and heap praise in others. That's what chat forums are all about.

[Clipsed]

no kidding and to think a moderator would be the one to state those things. You would think he would be the one showing people how to act "PROPERLY" on this board, but that isn't the case here.

[DocPlez]

Wow ... and today I got the best mileage ever in my Versa. Almost exactly 100 miles to the 1/10 on exactly 2.70 gallons= 37 mpg avergae 74 mph highway w/cruise on all the way (2007 SL w/6 speed MT).

Now the down side ... a trucker going the other direction kicked up a rock and cracked my windshield so whatever the heck I'm saving on gas I'm spending on glass.

Oh well ... life happens ... whatcha gonna do!!Doc

[Ever Victorious]

no kidding and to think a moderator would be the one to state those things. You would think he would be the one showing people how to act "PROPERLY" on this board, but that isn't the case here.

I'm not going to apologize. Some of the things that have happened recently (VERY recently) have, shall we say, removed "polite" from my vocabulary.

You and tama48 were talking out your asses, were way off base, and wouldn't give it up. Yes, you pissed me off. Yeah, maybe a moderator is supposed to show how to act "properly". We're also human.

So... what now? Oh yeah, DROP IT.

[Clipsed]

who is the one in charge of this site? I would like to talk to them. Ask them if they will e-mail me, or give me their e-mail. [email protected]

[Ever Victorious]

The admins have been notified. You should hear from them, I'm guessing, within 24 hours.

[Clipsed]

thank you

[AZhitman]

I am.

And I'll address it here.

I don't have a problem with the way this thread was handled. I do have to admit, I'm not sure why anyone would go to such lengths to pitch a fit over their "actual" mileage, when so many factors weigh into it. I also know Geoff's been under a lot of stress and we're gonna give him a break real soon.

So, yeah - this *could* have been handled better by all parties involved. But I back my Moderators all the way, they do a TON of work behind the scenes so that you guys have a place to share info.

Keep up the good work, all.

[Clipsed]

I had never said anything about my mileage just said I am sure there might be a way to get something out of Nissan. I understand there may be a lot of things the moderators do which I respect as we are only here posting while they help to keep things running. But the way he responded to the thread was out of place and uncalled for IMO, he talked about how he "want to drive my boot through the back of your neck and out your mouth because you are all so full of it, and people like you are the reason policies and rules in stores keep getting tighter every day." I don't know of any mods or admins on other boards that would let that fly with out telling them something. I am not going to have a s**t fit because of it, becauses you are the one in charge, but I do think that a foot should be put down if things get out of hand and say this thread is locked and no more discussions on the subject instead of ranting on at others. I do not want to lose my privlages of being on this board, so I will stop there, and thank you for your time to review this.

[AZhitman]

Understood, and I appreciate your feedback. You're correct in that we wouldn't be here if it weren't for the members, so your concerns are noted.

Thanks for caring enough to post.

[Clipsed]

not a problem, now can this thread be locked as to no more probs?

[marleyfan]

Why lock it? It's currently the most interesting thread on the board. And I do tend to agree that as a Moderator EV's rant was uncalled for. Moderators are generally held to higher expectations than we mere posters. However, we all have our days where we have to let fly at someone for something. It sure makes for an interesting read tho.

[stevenjb]

You have to feel for the moderator having personal issues to resolve. We all have been there and have or wanted to lash out at someone - inappropriate as it may be.

Yet, moderators are to moderate the thread and not get personally involved.

The site owner / CEO came in with a neutral stance, probably in an effort to diffuse the issue, but took no responsibility for the situation - which he should have since the moderator is acting on his behalf. This type of neutral stance - non-responsibility is becoming common in the service industry. And it is a shame.

No offense to the CEO - you are operating a service which is free for all and time consuming for you - yet the issue could have been handled with more involved presence.

[nchopp]

No offense to the CEO - you are operating a service which is free for all and time consuming for you - yet the issue could have been handled with more involved presence.

Mm... Running a site with only 55,000 members and over two and a half million posts... Greg, what are you thinking, not reading every single thread and responding?

[audtatious]

This thread reminds me of the big "to do" about the 2k2-2k3 Maxima being rated 255hp when dyno's showed crank hp would have been lower by 5-15hp. The arguement was that a lot of people _may_ have considered a different car if it had only been rated at 240hp. Lawyers were contacted and it went as far as trying to get funds up to purchase a new one in order to pull a new motor for testing purposes. Eventually it went nowhere other than having a huge thread of complaining. What's funny is that everyone who was complaining absolutely LOVED the car regardless.

As far a mpg, you can never tell what you are going to get. Driving the same 240 mile round trip in my Maxima gets me anywhere from 25mpg - 35mpg Hwy dependant on traffic, overall speed, number of traffic lights hit, temperature, wind, type of gas, etc. Even consectutive days with similar conditions come out skewed and I have been driving this same route 1-3x a week for almost 5 years now.

[proxim2020]

Hey EV. You used to be so nice til you went all Subaru on us.

I worked in retail for 10 yrs too. It's amazing what people will try in order to save a couple bucks. The store I worked at had a very liberal return policy. The cheapest of bastards would come out of the woodwork to take advantage of that. (Clipsed not saying you are one of those) There was this one guy who would buy his lawnmower in the spring and return it in the fall claiming he wasnt satisfied with it. He did this for 4 yrs in a row until one manager finally recognized that the company doesn't actually need people who bring that kind of business, and refused the return. Luggage and camera equipment would be purchased for vacations and returned afterward. A shopper would leave a more expensive item on a table of sale items during the course of shopping, then the next customer would claim that we HAVE TO sell it at the sale price because it was on the sale table. Sure am glad I'm out of retail now.

Off Topic - I am guilty of "renting" things from a few places in the past. In the past, I've been in the middle of some type of job and needed some specialized tool in order to complete. I either didn't want to rent or couldn't (especially on Sundays) but I can buy it from Home Depot or something. So off I went, purchased the tool, use it and bring it back. As the years past, I began to realize companies loose out when people do this. I also realized that I used the tools (like cut off wheels, dremels, impact wrenchs) more often than I thought I would. So now if I really need it something, I'll try to wait until I can rent it or purchase it and keep it. I'll need it again eventually. If I have a real gripe about something, then I'll return it.

BTW - I've had the pleasure of only having one retail job (my second job). My first job was working in an office for Shell that I got through a high school co-op program. After one semester that was over and I worked at the largest Best Buy in Texas at the time and sold computers and accessories. Most people will agree that Best Buy isn't the best place to work, especially in that store. 3 months in they decided to change my manager, who didn't like me as much as my last manager (even though I got tons of recognition for good work). We had shouting matches almost daily. I worked there for 5 months before I no longer could take it. I immediately enrolled in the co-op program the first chance I got and vowed never to go back to retail. Unless my family needs me to, they come first always.

[AZhitman]

The site owner / CEO came in with a neutral stance, probably in an effort to diffuse the issue, but took no responsibility for the situation - which he should have since the moderator is acting on his behalf. This type of neutral stance - non-responsibility is becoming common in the service industry. And it is a shame.

No offense to the CEO - you are operating a service which is free for all and time consuming for you - yet the issue could have been handled with more involved presence.

Wasn't my intention to defuse this issue - and to percieve my response as "non-responsibility" is disappointing, as you have no idea what went on outside of this thread.

I'm as "involved" as anyone who runs a forum of this size (I'd bet I'm even more so).

But I also know that delegation is the key to success, and I empower my Moderators and staff to take ownership of their forums and make their own decisions. I'm not a micromanager.

If someone had been inconvenienced, hurt or injured by EV's response, I'd have responded differently.

But I'm not in the "panty-unbunching" business.

Glad you guys are aboard, and keep up the great work.

[WDRacing]

If you guys think EV's a d!ck, try coming down to KAT. I am far more aggressive with my opinions.

Every now and then, our kids gloves fall off and we say what we feel. Anyone who actually complains is basically saying they need to be cuddled with and treated with warm, cushy smushy, baby seal mittens.

Nico is made from a gigantic melting pot of members. We can't simply ALWAYS get along. Spirited conversations and debates make for interesting reading to say the least.

Passion can take hold of anyone.

WD