night szevyn racing

[s13sr20chris]

i have had a conversation with cameron wieldraayer recently that i thought anyone interested in dealing with him should see. he gave me permission to use it in entirety. i dont want to have to narate the whole thing so i will give a little commentary now. i wrote to a whole bunch of companys to see what was what. i am a very thorough(sp?) person. most companys had an attitude like, "if you are not placing an order, leave us alone". i dont just send money away to people like that. when i wrote him, it was completely different. he was prompt, courteous, and honest. i am a decent judge of charachter and i was pleased by his behavior. i may not be able to get my clip/motorset for a year, but he still wrote back every time. anyway, here is a transscript.

[email protected] wrote:hi, i am on the verge of doing some swaps into some 240s. i have done swaps before and everyone in my town wants me to do theirs because i am a nissan dealer tech. i just want to make sure all my ducks are in a row here. if i buy an rb20/25 motorset from you(or more than one) that includes all electricals i assume(ecm, power transistor, crank sensor, coils, etc.) but does it include usable intercooler, mounts/crossmember, downpipe, etc? if not thats cool, i just need to know exactly what i need. your faq was helpfull but it only refers to clips. i would like to avoid the cost of a clip and the associated shipping if at all possible. if intercooler and stuff is not included than i would like to know more about your intercooler upgrade and piping. one of each plus motorset is a go correct? all bolts right up? i want to keep fabrication to a minimum as well. any time i spend welding is time i am not getting paid for. another issue is lsd. i am interested in s15 helical units. some other companies have them for sale, but if i could get one shipped with my order every time it would be immensely convinient for me. this is all about a workable relationship. i intend to try out your service and see how it is. if its good then we can rely on each other for future business. i am not asking for wholesale prices or anything. if you would be willing to sell one third member from an s15(helical units only), how much would it cost on top of a motorset? sorry for the long letter. i am desperately shopping for a partner that i can trust enough to have a long and profitable relationship with. i am also checking out phase2motortrend, neishlin motors, afterdark tuning, mckinney motorsports, soko, storm imports, unstable hybrids, etc. thankschris

[email protected] wrote:Chris,

I am going to be straight with you, competition is not something thatdrives me, and telling me that you are looking at other companies isnot something I really like to hear. Anyhow, on to your questions:

I prefer not to sell motorsets, but if that's all you will need, Iwill make a special request with my supplier and make sure everythingis included (intercooler, piping, maf, intake, uncut harness, allsensors, x-member, mounts, etc...). All of those parts are useablewith the swap.

As my FAQ says for installs on clips, it will also pertain to thesemotorsets since they will be as close to complete as a clip can get. There is no need to weld anything with this swap to my knowledge.

As far as a LSD is concerned, to get the S15 helical, I need S15 carsin Japan which are very costly. I can request them as they becomeavailable, but I will not know cost of them for a while till I get aresponse back on availability. They are always shipping in a K-frameto protect them from damage. If other companies have them availablefor sale, that may be an easier route to go in the near future.

Now, if you want some first hand information on why I don't like tohear about competitors, it's because the buyers are not informed,here's information:

Night Szevyn Racing (me) - import engines from my own supplier in Japan tomy own warehouse in the states. engines come with warranties.

Phase2MotorTrend - I don't know much about them except that they do mainlySR20DET's. A customer of mine lives about 20 minutes from them and sayshe won't go to them for anything, thus he comes to me when he needs partsor engines. As far as I know, they are reputable.

Neishlin Motors - high cost for what you get. I looked into them a longtime ago when I bought my first engine. They were charging $4500 for aRB25DET clip last I saw on their site.

Afterdark Tuning - no longer in business due to poor business practices. He ran with a lot of people's money, then chose to correct the problem thebest way he could, needless to say, most customers didn't get what theypaid for and still aren't satisfied, but he is no longer selling.

McKinney Motorsports - orders from Venus-Auto who is a very less thanreputable shop when it comes to quality. They charge a lot of money fortheir engines and parts and do so because they are a pompous group oftuners who like ripping people off (price wise).

Soko - never heard of em

Storm Imports - never heard of em

Unstable-Hybrids - no longer sell motors. They are now focussing on justbuilding parts. They were getting importers from my former partner, thenwent in debt to him and another friend of mine. After holding customerscars for up to a year because of their laziness, bad business practices,and high prices, they shut their doors on importing and installs.

Cameron

[email protected] wrote:you are being straight with me and i appreciate that. i wont tell you that i delivered a speech about your competitors as a calculated move to find out if you are legit. i will tell you i am impressed by the following things:1)you appear to have answered my email personally2)you appear to be a clean businessman3)you cut right through the crap and tell me how you feel regardless of what i want to hear(see no. 1)4)you signed your name(i hope its your real name:))this is gooda lot of people have been burned lately. i would rather not join them. thats why i was somewhat abrasive in my approach. i respect your honesty and intend to deal with you as long as things stay that way. as a side note, i am a god fearing man so i have more than a few reasons to hold honesty in high esteem. so with that i will leave you with a few things. dont sweat the s15 diffs. i was under the impression that they were beginning to pop up. it was illogical, but i just saw what i wanted and greedily paid no attention to the reality. i can find some other diffs to use. give me the scoop on the clips/motorsets thing. i have heard everyone elses arguments, but they all differ. thats why i didnt make any assumption about night7. if clips are a lot better for you, tell me why they might be better for me. im just looking at hooking up my customers the right way with minimal turnaround. i dont want to have to source a bunch of extra stuff without knowing about it ahead of time. of course it will happen and im flexible. im just trying to minimize it. by the prompt response i got, i have to figure one of two things. one, you are just trying to do right by me(potential customer). two, you are overestimating the amount of business i can handle. i would love to do four swaps a month, but i have a wife, a day job, and quite frankly the kids around here cant all afford it. anyway, i have managed to talk way too much. im glad you are willing to work with me. and for that, whenever i get my swappin' service off the ground, you will be my primary supplier. sincerely,chris robertsonJesus Chris Motorsports

[email protected] wrote: Chris,

Is your company name Jesus Chris Motorsports or Jesus ChristMotorsports? Cool name, I respect it either way. Takes balls toactually put that name out there and stand behind it. I grew up in aChristian family, went to a Christian school, etc... which is why Ihave respect for that.

As far as your 4 points about my last email: yes, I do all of myemails personally, I try to be a clean businessman and trustworthy,however I do not have a perfect background due to problems withcustoms which I can go into detail if you really want to know, Ialways voice myself on other companies and tell more fact thanopinion since I have a deep background in importing and know many ofthe secrets behind most of the importers, and lastly, my name isCameron S. Wieldraayer, but I rarely use my last name since mostpeople can't pronounce it. The only two people that have ever got itright the first time are my 20 month old daughter (amazing) andMexican people for some reason (I live in AZ and they always say mylast name right, whereas white or black people cant - and I am whiteif you were wondering...doesn't really matter either way, but somepeople want to know). My last name is pronounced Wheel-dryer, prettysimple.

As far as parts: I wish S15 stuff was readily available and cheap. Iknow Japandy sells S15 diffs on ebay and I have no idea where he getsem so cheap, but he does and sells em. As far as I know, the S15helical LSD doesn't fit in the S13 pumpkin. The best LSD's I haveused thus far are from the R32 GT-R since is a direct bolt-in and has4.11 gears...grips like crazy since it's non-viscous. The scoop onthe clips/motorsets is as follows: I have a very reputable supplierin Japan who only offers me the best and lets me know if anything iswrong with an engine ahead of time. If it does not meet myrequirements for compression, mileage, etc... it never gets shippedunless I get it at a heavy discount and then I sell it as-is lettingthe buyer know all that is wrong with it...here's the deal on themotorsets/clips argument:

For your first install, I highly recommend a clip. With a clip, youcan take MANY digital pictures and put them on your computer of howthe engine is placed in the Skyline engine bay. This will help youwhen you reference wiring/hoses in the 240SX during install. It alsoaids in the whole process by giving you a visual. After you arefamiliar and comfortable with the swap, then you can switch tomotorsets (and if you can make motor mounts...come out with your ownkit, makes big money for most companies...but don't go too expensivelike McKinney Motorsports). Anyhow, most people prefer clips becauseof many reasons: they can see what condition the car was in before itwas cut, ie: was it in a wreck? any damage? etc... They are alsoguaranteed by the importer that it comes with everything needed forthe swap. Most people that sell motorsets do not guarantee thingslike the intercooler, uncut harness, all sensors, piping etc... whichcan leave problems when installing in your car and be very costlywhen you have to order the spare parts you are missing. As I said, Iwould be happy to accomodate you if you wanted motorsets. Because ofmy supplier that I deal with, I know what condition they will be inand can offer warranties on them. My normal motorsets are onlyguaranteed to come with engine, transmission, ecu and uncut harness, but Iwould have him detach everything from the clip that you would getwith a clip...all of the sensors, intercooler, piping, X-member,mounts etc... so that you would have a complete swap minus the bodyshell around it. Of course, there wouldn't be any cost difference toorder it this way since it is as complete as a clip, however you havesome advantages: shipping is about $200 less and you don't have topay $150 to get rid of your clip to a junk yard.

My quick replies happen for one reason: customer service. I believethat all businesses with good customer service stand out above therest and it brings return business to me. I don't overestimate orunderestimate anyone. Normally, I answer 50-100 emails and make onesale, but later on down the road, people remember me and buy whenthey get money or refer their friends to me, and that's why I spendnight after night when everyone else is asleep doing emails. My wifeisn't too happy with me when I do that, but I atleast make time forher during the day and I do go to bed with her atleast 4 nights aweek lol....plus she doesn't have to work. Anyhow, if you wanted toget in contact with me (not sure if I gave you this info already) myphone number is 623-326-7295 and you can call just about anytime...12PM-12AM.

Cameron S. WieldraayerNight Szevyn Racing

[email protected] wrote:yep, its jesus christ motorsports. i am a christian man and my wife is a christian woman. i wont tie you up anymore right now, but when the money comes my way to start working(and maybe get a business license:) ) you will be my supplier. i am interested in the r32 diffs and will prob ask for them when that time comes. if its a pain then dont stress it; i can use a viscous type if i have to. i actually prefer the feel of a viscous type at the track(road racing that is). the problem is that they just burn up. that is unacceptable for my customers to put up with. for that reason i prefer helical lst and would be willing to try a torsen. i will also use a clutch type in good condition. i have yet to try the phantom grip. thanks for all the attention. can i post all of this on nico as an example of your customer service?

[email protected] wrote: Chris,

Business lisences cost about $20...anyone can get it relatively easy,but then you have the quarterly taxes and all that other BS to worryabout. If you'd like to post something about me on NICO, feel free. I had a very good reputation there until I started having problemswith my previous supplier and customs. I disappeared from mycustomers for about 1.5 months to figure everything out and now I amgetting back on track with everyone and trying to rebuild myreputation. Anyhow, let me know when you are ready and we'll getstarted.

Cameron

[email protected] wrote:thanks bro, i will. god bless.

[nissanrcer240]

phew thats a long post.....where is night7racing located?

[AZhitman]

Good stuff Chris.

I have met Cameron and he seems to be well on his way to putting together a solid business. The fact that he is a homeowner with a wife and child (and another on he way) speaks volumes.

p.s. Chris, if you ever get decals made for your company, I want the first one!

[lessthanjakejohn]

Surprise Arizona, home of the Texas rangers training camp and about 15-30 minutes away from Phoenix

I think Surprise is one of the fastest growing cities in Arizona (if not all of america)

[s13sr20chris]

Good stuff Chris.

I have met Cameron and he seems to be well on his way to putting together a solid business. The fact that he is a homeowner with a wife and child (and another on he way) speaks volumes.

p.s. Chris, if you ever get decals made for your company, I want the first one!

you too huh?:)thanks for the affirmation friend.

:icesangel

[Onizuka]

yeah it definatly sounds like he is up and coming, but i would take the bashing of other buisnesses with a grain of salt (phase2 is a great place, but like he said they are a SR20 store for the most part). I cant wait until Cameron has more NICO refrences to show for his excellent buisness practice. Thanks for sharing!

-matt

[BuudWeizErr]

Phase2MotorTrend - I don't know much about them except that they do mainly SR20DET's. A customer of mine lives about 20 minutes from them and says he won't go to them for anything, thus he comes to me when he needs parts or engines. As far as I know, they are reputable.

Slick!

You got the SR20's thing right, but you failed in just about every aspect. Politely bashing other businesses is a quick shortcut to a failed business. Especially when nobody has ever heard of you and 99% of people who are into the 240SX scene have heard of phase2. The only people who have any complaints about phase2 are people who bought something from them and the part broke. But that would have happened no matter who they bought from, so their complaints have no validity. Ask around on the forums, see who most people hold in very high regard. I guarantee you that phase2 will be one of the first companies out of their mouths. Where does yours fall?

That said, good luck with your business, and please emphasize what you offer as opposed to what your competitors do not or fail at.

No, I didn't read the whole thread. I got as far as what is quoted above and didn't feel the need to read any further.

[stutt944]

Slick!

You got the SR20's thing right, but you failed in just about every aspect. Politely bashing other businesses is a quick shortcut to a failed business. Especially when nobody has ever heard of you and 99% of people who are into the 240SX scene have heard of phase2. The only people who have any complaints about phase2 are people who bought something from them and the part broke. But that would have happened no matter who they bought from, so their complaints have no validity. Ask around on the forums, see who most people hold in very high regard. I guarantee you that phase2 will be one of the first companies out of their mouths. Where does yours fall?

That said, good luck with your business, and please emphasize what you offer as opposed to what your competitors do not or fail at.

No, I didn't read the whole thread. I got as far as what is quoted above and didn't feel the need to read any further.

didn't you just do the exact same thing?

[BuudWeizErr]

didn't you just do the exact same thing?

Show me one part where I slandered his business. I brought shortcomings about his person to light and made a case in defense of phase2 whose business ethics were called into question for no good reason.

FACT: His business is new, and as such, does not have name recognition yet.FACT: Have we heard any reviews on his business practices yet? No, just Hitmans "seems like a good guy," and I'm sorry, but Hitmans opinion of a company (due to conflict of interest reasons) holds little to no water with me.FACT: Most people who have 1st hand dealings with phase2 will relate a positive experience.

So where again was I "out of line?"

EDIT: Oh yeah, and our guy hasn't heard of SOKO. This part isn't earth shattering, but they are located out of Chicago if I remember correctly and have been selling SR20's for AT LEAST 5 years. I called them when I first tried to get an SR20 for my 240 in 99 when SR20's weren't as common as your average B-series swap. From what I can recall, they sold a lot of engines with cut harnesses and no ECU, but were a decent company. I think they catered more to the "replacement" engine companies than the "motor swap" engine companies that we usually like.

[stutt944]

dude you're doing some angry posting tonight. been suckin back on some of grandpa's cough medicine, have we? intervention time...you're one of those angry drunks who needs to cut down on the budweiser. peace love happiness.

edit: ps- his website is silbeer.com, and hes not an alcoholic.

[IvoryJ30t]

:alcoholic hahaha

[IvoryJ30t]

back to the subject, excellent work chris. looks like n7r is gonna get a call from me when i need my z32 clip.btw, my name is Paul. but just call me douchebag.

[stealthj]

i dont really post on this forum much,,,, but i have made a deal with Cameron, and we shook internet hands on a trade

im driving down early november

i will post how that goes... and i am confident it will go right...

as for jesus christ motorsports..... best of luck

[s13sr20chris]

i dont really post on this forum much,,,, but i have made a deal with Cameron, and we shook internet hands on a trade

im driving down early november

i will post how that goes... and i am confident it will go right...

as for jesus christ motorsports..... best of luck

thanks man, for both of the above.

[AZhitman]

Have we heard any reviews on his business practices yet? No, just Hitmans "seems like a good guy," and I'm sorry, but Hitmans opinion of a company (due to conflict of interest reasons) holds little to no water with me.

I didn't get where I'm at by being a poor judge of character.

I'd say the best you can do, then, based on your comments, is to never do business with the man. But for the last time, keep your pot-stirring to yourself - It serves no useful purpose.

p.s. If I were getting paid, it'd be a conflict of interest. But I'm not, so it isn't.

(No need to reply - I've got a pretty good idea of what we'd have to hear, and it's all been said before.)

Carry on, gentlemen!

Originally posted by BuudWeizErr That said, good luck with your business, and please emphasize what you offer as opposed to what your competitors do not or fail at.

Ryan, I concur 100% with this statement.

[fiznat]

s13sr20chris, it sounds a LOT to me like you're kinda leading this guy on to make him think like you're going to be buying a bunch from him. I cant be sure of course - this IS the internet - but Jesus Christ Motorsports? Are you serious? You didnt even have it in your first email, and you spelled it wrong in your second! Not to mention a few other odd things in your writing (bad grammar, lack of knowledge of the products...).

I donno, I'm not out to bash anybody at all, but this sounds exactly like Daunt. He had pretty good customer service way back when also, and everyone beleived he was a really upstanding guy. Look where that went. You're taking a huge risk buying on the internet as it is, I say dont cloud the issue with half-baked hopes of this guy's "character." You got 3 emails, fact is you have no idea what he's really like at all.

If it is true that you are looking to buy multiple engines/clips/parts for your business, then I really urge you to be extra careful when using the internet. Sometimes deals like this to turn out to be ok, but a lot of the time the turn out to be very costly mistakes: mistakes that will for the first time be affecting more than just you.

I appreciate the pasted emails, they DO offer some insight, but I urge you and everyone who reads them to be just really careful with these types of things.

Good luck man.

[stealthj]

s13sr20chris, it sounds a LOT to me like you're kinda leading this guy on to make him think like you're going to be buying a bunch from him. I cant be sure of course - this IS the internet - but Jesus Christ Motorsports? Are you serious? You didnt even have it in your first email, and you spelled it wrong in your second! Not to mention a few other odd things in your writing (bad grammar, lack of knowledge of the products...).

I donno, I'm not out to bash anybody at all, but this sounds exactly like Daunt. He had pretty good customer service way back when also, and everyone beleived he was a really upstanding guy. Look where that went. You're taking a huge risk buying on the internet as it is, I say dont cloud the issue with half-baked hopes of this guy's "character." You got 3 emails, fact is you have no idea what he's really like at all.

If it is true that you are looking to buy multiple engines/clips/parts for your business, then I really urge you to be extra careful when using the internet. Sometimes deals like this to turn out to be ok, but a lot of the time the turn out to be very costly mistakes: mistakes that will for the first time be affecting more than just you.

I appreciate the pasted emails, they DO offer some insight, but I urge you and everyone who reads them to be just really careful with these types of things.

Good luck man.

good lookin out...

everyone should be careful especially when dealing on the net...

[stutt944]

what i have never understood is why people dont just fly there to meet in person before spending thousands of dollars. hell, if i was spending anything over 1500 bucks on ANYTHING, especially clips or motorsets or multiples of those, i'd just catch a quick flight out and meet them! well planned, 250 bucks will allow you to meet in person, possibly see your product in person, and get a signed bill of sale.but maybe thats just me.

best of luck to night7 and the others.

[slw240sx]

Fiznat, QUIT stirring the KETTLe, you know they dont like that in here , wouldnt want to see you get banned or shut down on any posts that ask questions

[I H8 UR DSM]

If i had a dime for everyone who fell for the same stuff that adam at afterdark spewed to them, i'd have 10 ferrari's right now. Let someone's business experience and reputation speak for itself...i agree with Bud here, and can tell u i stopped reading where Phase2 got 'bashed'....

There is such a thing as a reputable shop, and such a thing about a 'shop' thats new, no one knows of, just started, and has NO reputation, and those are the ones that have to try twice as hard to get your business.....i wasnt impressed by anything i read in that thread...

step outside the box.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

I AM SURPRISED NONE OF YOU KNOW WHO CAMERON IS, FOR MORE INSIGHT INQUIRE IN THE RB FORUM. THERE IS A WHOLE FIASCO GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND THE RESULTS ARE STILL PENDING.

[I H8 UR DSM]

who said none of us do? some of us have been around for a loooooooong time, and know who 'everyone' is...and there are the good names in the industry, the bad names, the 'no' names etc...he is not in that top 1/3.

[fiznat]

ditto

[PalmerWMD]

Sorry for the outburst above fellas, I am a pretty patient guy, but sometimes I just gotto wonder..

Fred..:oface

[PalmerWMD]

I delted a pretty big poutburst of mine.Hopefully other members will show similiar discipline

Before this turns into a bash fest, I will close it.

Fred..:oface