Night 7 mounts

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

I posted some pics in another thread of what is happening and Mike sent me an email asking me to call him.

This is what he told me.

These mounts were designed for an RB20 into an S13 with custom turbo, custom exhaust, custom intake, no power steering, no AC....a full on race car.

These mounts were NOT designed for use with an S14, RB25DET, Power steering, Air Conditioning, stock turbo, stock downpipe, or any of the other things that we intended them to be used for.

These mounts DO lower the motor and provide clearance for the sway bar. They set the engine same as the Skyline crossmember places the engine, only a little lower. Stock RB20 trans with stock brackets & crossmembers will bolt up perfect.

Soooo....the whole purpose of this thread is to say that the mounts I am sure are great if you have an RB20 and dont want power steering, a/c, stock turbo, stock exhaust or anything like that.

For pics, see this thread http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....63886

Thanks!

Post by **HybridOne** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

<sarcasim> who woulda thunk it. </sarcasim>

I have the unstable hybrid mounts, and they work fine except for the the downpipe clearence issues. And i am running PS, and i could run AC if i wanted. I'm on the stock turbo.

Post by **PROJECTRB240SX** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

WELL ITS NICE TO SEE SOMEONE CONFIRM WHAT I GOT BASHED FOR MONTHS AGO.

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

I believe that the mounts would be great for the purpose they were designed. I also believe that someone is trying to shoehorn them into a niche they were not designed to fill.

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

I think you got bashed because you had no pics to back it up and no details.

Post by **PROJECTRB240SX** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

MY FRIEND HAS THOSE PICTURES SO I GUESS I'LL POST THEM UP WHEN I GET THEM FROM HIM. YEAH I DIDN'T POST THE PICTURES BECAUSE MIKE SAID HE WAS GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM.... BUT CAMERON IS STILL SELLING THESE MOUNTS SO I GUESS ITS TIME TO POST THOSE PICTURES OF MY S13 RB20DET INSTALL.

Post by **Yellow4g63** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

I must have gotten luckey with mine because mine dosen't hit at all. Is the frame straight on your 240? cause if it's not that could be the problem? In any case ship them back to tophat and have them look at it since he did make them.

Post by **candela** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

hey yellow is your car up and running with the RB20 yet? Id really like to know more about it. So if you are ok with being bombarded with questions then hit me up on AIM: noahrexion

Oh and as for the mounts... that sucks (sorry to **** on thread)

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

The frame is very straight, that is one of the first things I thought of and seeing that I manage a bodyshop in the real world, I have access to all the body sheets and measuring equipment. Trust me, I ruled out every possible problem besides the mounts themselves being bad. They are just not intended for the RB25. Cameron got another sucker.

Post by **Andrew85cm** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Ahh...I don't know what your problems are above but the mounts I got from Cameron fit. They allow room for stock rb downpipe, turbo elbow and do not touch the steering column. They also allow clearance for the sway bar. It places the shifter in the right position and my exhaust bolts up without a problem. My Power steering works great and I am glad I have it. Also If I were going to use the A/C it would also be fine. I have not had any fitment issues. The trans crossmember was a lil off so I had to drill the holes a little bit but that was probably my car. I have a RB20det so I can't vouch for any other motor or car. I have a '89 240sx. I am happy with the mounts as they do all that I want them to do especially clearing the hood.~ANDREW~

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Yeah, the mounts WERE DESIGNED for the RB20, NOT the RB25.

That is what I said in the first post.

they were designed for the RB20 with the RB20 transmission. If I had the RB20 trans with the RB25 motor, all would be well, except the tension on the RT mount, which is supposed to go away if I jack up on one front corner or the other...we will see, andthe steering column issue.

Like I said in another post, I believe the mounts would be great for the purpose they were designed, not the prupose they were advertised for.

Mike is a very nice guy and took the time to explain that he never intended for the RB25 to be used with these mounts and Cameron jumped the gun by saying they would work.

Post by **HybridOne** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

"I don't know what your problems are above but the mounts I got from Cameron fit."

"I have a RB20det so I can't vouch for any other motor or car."

wtf, get a clue. That post is almost as useless as this post in response.

P.S. the RB25 has different arms that stretch off the motor. The braces from the block to the isolator. Mckinney's RB20 mounts don't work unless you use the RB25 braces on the RB20. Or...at least that was the case a year ago. So there is a possibility that you could get them to work if you could get your hands on the RB20 brace thingys, and replace the RB25's braces with the RB20's. Though i don't see that as being very easy.AND the mounts have to be different between S13 and S14. So all those so-called "universal" mounts are B.S. The mounts have to be specific to the motor, AND the car.

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Exactly my point, thanks!

Post by **xjon** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Sorry to be somewhat off-topic but I believe there is somebody on ebay selling a mount kit. I believe it is a "universal mount kit" that should fit rb20 and rb25. So with that said above about the mounts being specific to the application, then these wont work either. I could be wrong though.

Basically, I just wanted to warn others about the mount kit on ebay from what you guys concluded. But I could be wrong. Buyer beware.

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Yeah, the RB20 into S13 or S14 is one kit, the RB25 into S13 or S14 is one kit....so on and so forth...

Post by **HybridOne** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

actually the mounts are a little different for the RB20 into S13 and into S14. or so i have heard. The mounts i have where made specifically for the RB20 into an S14. and i know there is a different set for the RB20 into the S13, because thats why it took a while for me to get my mounts. They had to be re-designed from the S13 template because i had an S14.

Post by **Andrew85cm** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

"These mounts were designed for an RB20 into an S13 with custom turbo, custom exhaust, custom intake, no power steering, no AC....a full on race car."

I was going on this statement here. I was clarifying that all the above can be used and fit quite well in the s13 rb20 swap. I am not contending with the fact that it fits with the RB25 cause I have no clue. The above statement was what I was going against.~ANDREW~

Post by **HybridOne** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

ah...i see.I think Jon's problem has to do with the mis-representation of the product.

Post by **Andrew85cm** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

I definately concur with that one. I didn't see how the same mounts would work with such a totally different transmission but like I said I haven't done the rb25 swap.~ANDREW~

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Ok, now I got the interior all together and I can't get in first, third, or fifth gear....

Here is a picture of neutral

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Here is Fourth gear

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

I had to pull the shifter trim just to get it in third.

Post by **gabossie** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

That sucks, I was hoping they worked better than that. Why is the shifter tilted so far forward? It seems like it not only sits to far forward, but that it's tilted forward a great deal, like the transmission is at an angle.

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

I dont know, the whole thing about these mounts working for an RB25 sucks real bad...real bad.

These were created for and are still intended for an RB20 install and that is it.

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Ok, sometimes I am an idiot and just need to sleep to figure things out.

I have to make a formal apology for the pictures of the shifter....I had it in backwards.

I had a dream last night about turning it around in the trans and when I got here, the boot has the letters FR with an arrow that pointed to the back of the car.

So I turned it around and now it fits nice. Just gotta get the leather boot to finish off the center console.

Here are the real pics of the shifter placement.

I apologize to Night 7 Racing and Top Hat Performance for thinking that the shifter was not positioned correctly.

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Neutral

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

Fourth

Post by **JimmyJames1** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

So does everything fit fine? Are Night7 mounts good for the RB25?

Post by **BoostFab** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

JimmyJames1 wrote:So does everything fit fine? Are Night7 mounts good for the RB25?

judge from the pictures, yes...it's good

Post by **JonPowell** » Mon May 10, 2004 4:38 am

They are ok. There is still an issue of the exhaust hitting the steering. Also they havent finished the trans crossmember yet so you gott make some kind of threaded spacers to mount the trans right. the front most bolt of the crossmember fits the rear most bolt on the car as is.

I would say that if they got a good trans member made, for the price of $400 compared to the $550 for McKinney's the little headaches are worth $150, but I wouldnt use these for an install again, I would just suggest getting the McKinneys to avoid the problems I had. It is a ***** to get the motor mounts lined up & installed, then there is pressure on the one side so you gotta jack up one corner of the car so the motor can settle in....then the exhaust, then the trans spacers....

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