NICOCLUB is slowly changing.. and many folks don't like it...

[rjdmmfl1]

If indeed NICOCLUB wishes to loose some of its top contributing members in this forum, then I say, moderators, continue doing what you've been doing.

Recently events have happened that have kind of derailed the focus of the ALyima Coupe Forum... a bad situation got worse before it got better, and folks will not let the issue die. On another note, I've noticed what seems to be an iresponsible abuse of power on behalf of moderators and admins alike. That's unacceptable. In the last week, weve seen admins and moderators name call, ridicule, internet b*tch slap, and demean folks and their posts. We've seen folks be told get the f*ck out, its just been a mess.

Sure, members are going to get unruly at times, and after due warning, sometimes a vacation is necessary! But i always though the moderators and admins should be held to a higher standard. Lately, I've witnessed them disrupt threads, abuse power, sometimes in an attempt to get things in order, and sometimes just to be an a$$. Unfortunately, the lines tend to blur a bit.

If folks find member behavior being poor this week, then the same or worse can be said about the way things were handled at the top. So, to the admins, I say please remember, without contributing members, THERE IS NO FORUM. It may be a good idea business wise to NOT engage in silly battles with members, not stoop down to their level if they get out of line, and NOT DISRUPT PEOPLES THREADS UNNECESSARILY... that is the very definition of abuse of power!

To the NICO general audience, let's get back on the business of talking about CARS, somehow, the tone of this entire forum seems to have been influenced by one thread... we as members have to do a better job, try to keep things on track a lil better, and just in general show more respect to each other and to the mods (myself included)

so PLEASE, let's just put this whole non sense of last week (its Sunday, so this is a new week) behind us, and move on... because as DJ Max said, if this forum continues with this "attack of the super moderators" mentality, it's gonna lose a number of valuable contributors...

[mcheddadi]

Somehow, I think I missed everything. I didn't know there was tension around.

@ myself

[bina12834]

Somehow, I think I missed everything. I didn't know there was tension around.

@ myself

^ +1....lol....i have no idea what this is about....maybe because for the past couple weeks all ive had on my mind is projectors....lol

[mcheddadi]

^ +1....lol....i have no idea what this is about....maybe because for the past couple weeks all ive had on my mind is projectors....lol

LOL! same thing with me lol

[phobs]

yes yes I totally agree with rjdmmfl1. Even though I am fairly a new member to the boards, recently these issues and trends were making me hesitant of actually wanting to continue to contribute to the community. I joined for the better good and to help or get helped by people of the same interest. I wish for this community to strive and not be a place of discourtesy.

[gachrist3.5]

I completely agree with you Doc..I have also noticed this trend among the last few weeks

Now I'm not a "super contributor" to the forums as you are or others like mcheddadi are...if I feel I have something to add to a discussion I'll post, but I don't do that often, but I have felt a sort of "power abuse" lately and it has been derailing from what this forum is all about..sharing our love for our cars and hooking each other up with knowledge and what have you..

In my opinion Tyler is the best moderator there is...he'll only get involved in something if he has to, and its always just a short "lets get back on the topic guys" and his comments are always positive and unbiased..(speaking of which where has he gone?? I haven't seen him post in awhile)..

Anyway, that's my two cents...and I think you nailed it Doc

[Mr. Music]

...It may be a good idea business wise to NOT engage in silly battles with members, not stoop down to their level if they get out of line, and NOT DISRUPT PEOPLES THREADS UNNECESSARILY... that is the very definition of abuse of power!...

RJD's post is right on. Although some of the changes can be attributed to the much larger amount of active members we have now, the Altima forums aren't as good as they were before; and I haven't been on the boards very long. I'm barley on here anymore. Its hard to ask questions when you know that you will either receive little help, or get flamed by members and mods alike and be told to use the giant flashing button that says search. Maybe it should be bigger, big enough so it takes up your whole monitor.

[S13_love]

Agreed.

[Alt.ImaCoupe]

I agree fully with the doctor. I don't think I could say it better.

[08altima35]

i completely agree with everything you're saying Robert and personally have one foot on the banana peel and the other in another forum at the moment. I've been a member here going on a year and really haven't seen anything quite like this yet. The way the whole thing escalated happened really fast and being the orginal thread and the things said in it that caused the chaos was created by an admin is just . The whole "mine is better than yours" line when the "mine" knew full well that the "yours" couldn't come in here and defend himself or his business just blows me away. Then when non-bias members step in and defend the "yours" we get shut out because we're not admins or moderators and our opinions or thoughts don't really count and are looked at by the staff as simply being arguementitive. Then threads being stickied, people being told to get the F*ck out, and members reading it thinking wtf is this place becoming. there's lots of great information on this forum that can't be found anywhere else, but at the moment i'm thinking i might just have to take my chances.I might be back in the future, but i'm for sure gonna get away for a while and see what else is going on in other places.til then,08altima35

[Colton92]

+1

[Shift_Altima]

Agreed. And some people much much more than others.

[adidas2go]

Robert, your completely right. The staff are definitely held to a higher standard, and its a shame to see the things that have been progressing around here. Its gata go back to the way it was. Maybe they all had a bad week or something. I'm not completely sure. We know the OP Moderator messed up. He has apologized, and it has been taken care of on a higher level.

Some of the admin's think that the A/C forum was going straight down hill, the way it was before they stepped in last week. However, I think threads like these show them all that the A/C forum lived fine. Sure, we have an ungodly amount of re posts, and we want to lash out a Noobs, telling them to use the search button. I'm personally guilty of that myself, but we must remember, as leading contributors to this forum, we are held to a higher respect. That higher respect also comes with a higher degree of responsibility. Also, everyone on here needs to police themselves. Members and staff alike. Things have been on edge here lately, and it needs to get back on track.

To every member on this forum:

I have seen first hand the uproar all this has caused. I'm technically not a Moderator on this forum, so there is only so much I can do. On the other hand, I have been in this forum for the better part of a year, so I know the way things should run in here. I will do everything in my power, to restore things to the way they were. I love this forum, and you guys for being a part of it. As Robert said, this forum on exists because of you guys. NICOclub has the largest Altima Coupe forum on the planet. Please don't throw it away because some mods/admins got out of order. We will get things sorted out. I promise.

Blake

[dldjros69]

In my opinion Tyler is the best moderator there is...he'll only get involved in something if he has to, and its always just a short "lets get back on the topic guys" and his comments are always positive and unbiased..

I agree

Yes doc you are right on this time. This is the members forum, the mods and admins shouldnt get involved as much. Im not going anywhere but i would like to see some change.

[windex]

Nice post Doc I do read the forums for most of the day everyday I just dont post if I don't have anything to contribute. With the way forums are run now in general I think its a sad state of affairs. I do think these forums need to go back the way they were originally, doubtful they will.

Doc, If you don't mind I'd like to email you about something.

[adidas2go]

There's no doubt in my mind they will go back to the way they were. The NICO staff doesn't want to see a forum run away because of their actions. I'm sure everything will word out just fine. There's a lot of tension built up between members and staff alike, and it blew out in that one post. Keep you rhead up, and NICO will continue to strive

[Beancooker]

I agree with Doc.

I also have to ask/say a few things.

Why can't we let something die, after it has been made clear that the situation has been taken care of by the Admins. Had it died, you wouldn't have seen such a presence of us.

This is the members forum, the mods and admins shouldn't get involved as much.

So am I suppose to sit by while a thread turns to crap, and name calling, bickering and foolish behavior continues? Part of my job is to try to keep things civil. I can't just "not get involved".

Get over it, or GTFO

Yes, it was very harsh in what I said. I had explained that the situation had been dealt with. It wouldn't die. For some reason, nobody wanted to email me about it. Had it been taken to email, and kept off the boards, I wouldn't have been so abrasive. So if that statement offended you, sorry.

Next time email me. You'll get much farther if you email me with your concerns or problems, than to continue to post about a situation that has been dealt with. When you see something that is a violation of the rules, or think is just wrong, email me. Had someone emailed me about the situation last week, before it turned into "PEPCON in Henderson", I would have preformed the same actions that I did (talking to my moderator, unsticky-ing a thread, deleting the name-calling), but sooner and before it became catastrophic. If you feel that a staff member, Moderator or Admin is out of line, email me. If you feel that I am out of line, email me. I have no problem with someone telling me I'm acting like a douchebag, and to check myself. I may be an Administrator, but I am human, with emotions, and a temper, just like the rest of you. I am held to a higher standard, but I also make mistakes.

I look over every forum on this website, and it's hard to know what is going on in every thread. There were so many stickies, I didn't even notice that the thread had been stickied. I just don't pay attention to the stickies.

I hope that your forum does get back to the way it was. You guys are a great group of people, and I would hate to see any of you leave.

[Importroller]

I agree with Doc as well.

as for the admins/mods "trying to keep the peace", sometimes you should just let things go their course. You guys act like we cant voice our opinions because someone's feelings might get hurt. If they are that sensitive, maybe they shouldnt post anything. And if we cant voice our opinions on the mods/admins as well publically, then this is becoming a communistic style forum. And I know you guys think this is the ULTIMATE Nissan forums out there, but its just one of many forums. and the opinion of how this forum is ran is known very well on the other boards as well. In the initial problem thread that started this whole mess, not once did I do any name calling, All I suggested was whoever was abusing their power to have their mod privaledges revoked, and suddenly I get blasted by an admin and told to GTFO if I dont like how things are done. Sure, you did finally admit you went overboard with that comment, but it was never necessary in the first place, then having the other mod chime in saying that it was warrented is just stupid.

[Beancooker]

If something is so serious as to warrant calling for a Moderator to have his privileges revoked, first, I or one of the other Administrators should have been emailed as to the thread/situation at hand. Second, don't publicly call for that. It's bad taste. Email me or another Administrator about it.

Maybe my comment wasn't necessary, but each forum is different. I don't know you guys. If I say that in the G forums, everyone takes it for what it is. It's not some big dramatic event. If I say it in the 240 forums, it is no big deal, since they say things to each other that are REALLY harsh. I now know that this is a more sensitive forum, and will treat it that way.

I have no problem with people voicing their opinion. I do have a problem with not letting something that has been dealt with die. That's why threads were moved/posts deleted.

As far as a communistic style of forum... Not really sure what you want? There are some things that I can let ride. Some things I will delete. If a thread is about a product, and people continue to beat a dead horse even after I make the request that it is kept on topic, I will delete the off topic posts.

I also am not the one who deleted all the posts in that original thread (before it was cleansed and stickied). I wouldn't have known that they had existed had someone not copied the page and emailed it to me.

Dunno who chimed in and said that my GTFO comment was warranted? I don't ask anyone to come around and chime in. People do that on their own accord.

[Pali_Prince]

Why can't we let something die, after it has been made clear that the situation has been taken care of by the Admins. Had it died, you wouldn't have seen such a presence of us.

No one is objecting the admin's presence or involvement when it's needed. Yes we understand it's a lot of work to maintain an eye on all the forums, threads, posting, and stickies... and we don't blame you for not knowing every single thing in every part of this site. We all appreciate the hard work you guys do around here and understand that you can't always please everyone. I agree some things just need to be let go of, but, as you said, we're all humans with opinions, voices to be heard, and minds of our own. Hell, I've been a member of NICO since 2003, which is a lot longer than a LOT of people. I haven't made that many postings because there isn't much to be posted about. When I tried to post few days ago, the first response I received was "it's surprising to see you post when you dont even own an Altima"... I was like WTF is that all about? is it a regulation now that I have to own one to post my opinion?

Part of becoming a member of a forum is to feel like "family". I'm a member of maxima.org and 6thgenmaxima.org... (obvious since I own a Maxima) and I can tell you between them 2 is like night and day. Completely different worlds of forums. Maxima.org is plain ghetto and Mods, admins, etc think they're Gods walkin on earth. The other site makes you feel like you're part of a family. So many people stopped going to maxima.org simply becuz of their attitudes. We have people that own pontiacs and acuras join that site just simply becuz people are friendly. That's how this forum should be.

So am I suppose to sit by while a thread turns to crap, and name calling, bickering and foolish behavior continues?

Obviously the most common thing you'd do when you see a post that you don't like is to respond to it with what you feel is wrong. Same goes for the rest of us. Don't expect us, as adults, to simply run back to you every single time we get offended or insulted by another member. We're all grown up with jobs (some with more than 1), goals, families, etc.. so we know how to handle ourselves in these situations (without insults of course).

I just think a lot of people started off on the wrong foot. Things did go out of hands, like everyone noticed, and hopefully this will get back on track and become a better place. Even newbies shouldn't be blown up on simply becuz they didn't use the "search" feature.. that's stupid. THEY ARE NEWBIES, so obviously they don't know better. It's our job to teach them and point them in the right direction. I was always taught that words are coming out either way.. might as well make them be good. If you have nothing good to say, then please keep your mouth shut.

That's just my 2cents. I'll shut up now

[maxentropy]

Thanks Doc.

After receiving phone calls from both Brian and Andy (LBC and BlueBatMobile) I am fairly confident things will resume as usual soon enough.

Folks did some silly things, but without getting too detailed, things will clear up as time goes on.

My advice to folks is simple and clearcut-- if you are in any way upset with the way things were or are being handled, email a moderator.

I must say however, that I was very impressed at the way both Andy and Brian handled themselves when I was on the phone with each of them and again let me stress that I am confident they both would like to get past this and continue forward.

Products do speak for themselves, as does service, and many other factors. I have always personally believed folks can openly discuss any product or vendor on these forums as long as they post their opinion in a respectful manner.

I've forgiven and forgotten and look forward to more new products for our coupe, and hopefully, bigger and better meets.

[Pali_Prince]

+1 on that brotha.

Robert: Thank you for taking the time to get this sorted out and for all of us to discuss it freely...

on a side now (Robert) what the heck did you do with my door sills

[adidas2go]

Very good to hear Andy. Thanks

[Voodoo Coupe]

wow im gone for a few days and I miss the rebelion...

I hate to see what I'm gunna miss when I head out for GT Live in Virginia next weekend. hahaha looks like Im gunna have to get myself some wifi for the trip!

[Importroller]

I dont recall the SN of the one who said your comment was warranted (think it was Sentientbydesign), you would have access to view it before I can since the thread is gone. But he was the one that Brian asked to be unbiased on moderating the thread for him.

OK, now back to our regularly scheduled Progam
Modified by Importroller at 11:17 PM 9/21/2008

[adidas2go]

Are you talking to me buddy?

[Pali_Prince]

I think he's talkin to beancooker

[Beancooker]

Yeah, he was talking to me. I know who he's talking about, but it doesn'y matter, since we have moved on from there.

[{WBK}Viper]

Have to admit...everytime I post I always wonder if I'm gunna getridiculed right off the forum by the admins or those who seem to be in the "good 'ol boys" club here. Not because of anything that has happened to me, but from what I've seen happen to some other people.

[adidas2go]

If u post something foolish, ur probably gonna catch some flack for it. People aren't here to sugar coat things for u. It might sound kinda harsh, but, if you worked at a job for a while, and did something stupid, your coworkers would react in the same way. That's real life buddy. Full of goofy laughs

If your a Noob, you might catch a break. However, you've been here for a while. So, you've seen enough and learned enough, not to do something dumb