Next gen Q & M

[StarPD]

I was talking with an Infinti employee recently, and we were discussing the next gen of Q and M models. Not much being released, and the person spoke guardedly and was a little vague, but I gleaned some info that may be interesting.

First of all, the new top model is being referred to as a "halo" model, an image (for Infiniti) luxury car. It may NOT be called a "Q", but the jury is still out on that. One thing is for sure, it will have well over 400 HP, probably somewhere around 450 or maybe even more, probably a 7 or 8 speed double OD automatic, maybe even an automatically shifted manual transmission, and cylinder deactivation for improved fuel mileage. No mention of whether it will remain a V8, or will be a V10 or even V12. It will also be at the cutting edge of technology, which will be it's primary claim to fame. No details, but expect all the latest stuff, like hard drive nav, Bluetooth, MP3 and associated music type players, probably lane guidance, more sophisticated adaptive cruise control, 360 degree video cameras, HUD, full active suspension and rear wheel steering, auto-leveling suspension, advanced high-performance run-flat tires, etc. I suspect maybe electro-chromatic glass, that darkens automatically, power rear seats, rear video screens, power center armrest, the latest lighting technology with movable headlights and thermal imaging for night driving, automatic vehicle comms with Infiniti to set maintenance appointments based on useage (time, mileage and driving habits), super premium sound system, and remote startup and vehicle warmup. Expect advanced weight-saving materials throughout to keep weight down and improve fuel mileage. Some of these things may not happen on the production car, as I surmised much of this from vague hints and generalities, or some may come with evolution.

No info on styling, but there's a good chance it may follow the lines of the top MB sedan, but only in the most general way, not a copy.

It will NOT be priced like a Q45, but probably much higher, maybe as much as $85 to 100k. It WILL be a Lexus/BMW/MB killer in the luxury field. It is intended to establish Infiniti as THE premier luxury sedan worldwide and to set a standard to which others will aspire.

The new M will still be an M. It will also have over 400 HP, probably around 425 HP. It will actually be a replacement of the Q45 with the performance expected of an M. It will be a luxury performance car, not a pure luxury car like the new "halo" car. Figure pricing somewhere around $65k.

Not sure which will debut first, but it wil probably be the M (M50 or M55?), to be released around fall of 2009 as a 2010 model. The "halo" car, unnamed as yet will probably follow, and may be as much as a year later.

Both cars are being developed now. I suspect testing will be restricted to Japan, where security can be held tighter.

The NEW (2009) FX is being road tested now, and I've seen one. It's supposedly much more refined and improved over the current one, with considerably more HP (for being a crossover lux-ute). Much improved ride and handling, more features, and much nicer interior, more technology upgrades.

Note that outside of the FX I saw, little was actually spoken in my conversation with the Infiniti person. A lot of it was implied, and hinted at without actually being admitted. I've learned to "read between the lines" however, and can pick up on things unstated but easily deduced. Nothing is engraved in stone at this point on the new "halo" car or the M, and there is still time to make minor changes, even if a lot of them.

I will not divulge who I spoke with, how I know the person, or even whether the conversation was in person, on the phone, or online, to protect his/her job.

If anyone has more info, this is a good place to share with fellow Infiniti enthusiasts. Great things coming for Infiniti though, I can tell you that. Unfortunately, the days of "stealing" one of the best cars in the business for cheap when they become one or two years old is over. Infinitis will command and hold higher prices across the board.

[Infinitiguy19]

The Lord has answered my prayers finally a Q45 T/A and then some more this is the perfect car at the not so perfect price for me at least.

[qship96]

The 2009 fx50 has a 390hp 5 liter v8 with 7 speed auto- probobly will be used in future m &q replacements

I read they were working on a 4 door lux version of the GTR model to use as a Q replacement, badged a infiniti, even though the gtr will be badged as a nissan in the usa {a huge mistake in my book}

[maxnix]

The new VK50DE (or DD?) will have the continuously variable valve opening mechanism like the VQ37HR (or whatever it is called?) thus elilminating the TB.

[StarPD]

The 2009 fx50 has a 390hp 5 liter v8 with 7 speed auto- probobly will be used in future m &q replacements

I read they were working on a 4 door lux version of the GTR model to use as a Q replacement, badged a infiniti, even though the gtr will be badged as a nissan in the usa {a huge mistake in my book}

I was told the 2009 FX50 will be 370 HP, not 390.

[qship96]

See this months motor trend for full road test!

[StarPD]

See this months motor trend for full road test!

Of what?

Motor Trend online has nothing about any new Infinitis that I could find.Maybe in the print version?

[maxnix]

There are some articles on the FX50

http://www.motortrend.com/road..._look

[Victor]

Sounds like they are a day late and a dollar short, coming out with high horsepower V8, V10, V12 engines just when the gas price crisis hits with full force. Another poor seller waiting in the wings.

[IceCubeFoSho]

You still see people with CLS's and M5's and all types of sports cars driving around, the gas prices aren't really going to be a huge factor. and they are trying to improve gas mileage to stay ahead of the game.

If gas is deterring everyone, I wouldn't be seeing all these Ls600's and other top end luxury cars rolling around here in Houston.

Im so glad finally there are details about the new Q

[qship96]

Of what?

Motor Trend online has nothing about any new Infinitis that I could find.Maybe in the print version?

Print version has full fx50 article/road test......long term wrap-up of g35 article also{very positive}-

[Victor]

Found this info on the Infiniti general forum:

« Re: (Dodgeyaussie) 12:16 AM 4/7/2008

Quote, originally posted by Dodgeyaussie »There will be a new Flagship sedan, probably for the 2010 MY.

you are right sir!http://www.egmcartech.com/2007...-2010/

More new stuff. Yess i was right the new Q will have the 5.0L 390hp V8!!! enjoy i guess!!!

http://www.egmcartech.com/2007...-2010/

We just told you Friday about Infiniti’s future product plans after the launch of the brand new Infiniti EX. Just to recap, the 2009 Infiniti FX series will get a complete redesign when it debuts at the Geneva Auto Show in 2008. The Infiniti M, which just received a minor facelift for 2008, will see a total redesign in 2010.

Automotive News has just reported today that Infiniti will be bringing back its flagship sedan, the Infiniti Q, with a total redesign for the 2009 and 2010 model year.

Another Q from Infiniti, the QX full-sized SUV, will also see a complete redesign at the same time.

Infiniti is currently enjoying a 10 percent increase (over 2006) in sales for the first half of 2007.

Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required

http://www.autoblog.com/category/infiniti/

Ghosn dismisses GT-R sedan, Q45 successor likelyPosted Mar 6th 2008 11:58AM by John NeffFiled under: Sedans/Saloons, Infiniti

Ghosn recently told reporters at the Geneva Motor Show that the idea of a four-door super sports sedan based on the Nissan GT-R is "online blog speculation". Uh, you talking to me? Of course it's speculation, but we're from America and if two doors is good then four must certainly be better, right? Actually, no, we're fine with the GT-R fulfilling its purpose as a personal road rocket with room for two. And no blog started the four-door GT-R rumor, that would be Motor Trend, which, on authority from a "senior Nissan source", went so far as to commission renderings of the imaginary model, as well.

Infiniti will likely, however, field a successor to the discontinued Q45 that's more suited to take on its German competition, a charge that's all the more relevant considering Infiniti's impending penetration into the Western European market. Such a flagship model would likely be powered by the new 390-horsepower 5.0L V8 that debuted in the also-new FX50 in Geneva. Hopefully the next Q will be more competitive than the model that no one noticed disappear from the market two years ago, but don't expect a four-door GT-R. It doesn't sound like Ghosn wants one at the moment and the brand is more in need of a new top model to replace the M35/45 that's hardly suited for the job.

[Source: Motor Trend]

[gammer_ghn]

Yes i did Quote my self lol. i have already started a thread about this and if you read what i have posted it will open up a window for all of us, enjoy!

you are right sir!http://www.egmcartech.com/2007...-2010/

More new stuff. Yess i was right the new Q will have the 5.0L 390hp V8!!! enjoy i guess!!!

http://www.egmcartech.com/2007...-2010/

We just told you Friday about Infiniti’s future product plans after the launch of the brand new Infiniti EX. Just to recap, the 2009 Infiniti FX series will get a complete redesign when it debuts at the Geneva Auto Show in 2008. The Infiniti M, which just received a minor facelift for 2008, will see a total redesign in 2010.

Automotive News has just reported today that Infiniti will be bringing back its flagship sedan, the Infiniti Q, with a total redesign for the 2009 and 2010 model year.

Another Q from Infiniti, the QX full-sized SUV, will also see a complete redesign at the same time.

Infiniti is currently enjoying a 10 percent increase (over 2006) in sales for the first half of 2007.

Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required

http://www.autoblog.com/category/infiniti/

Ghosn dismisses GT-R sedan, Q45 successor likelyPosted Mar 6th 2008 11:58AM by John NeffFiled under: Sedans/Saloons, Infiniti

Ghosn recently told reporters at the Geneva Motor Show that the idea of a four-door super sports sedan based on the Nissan GT-R is "online blog speculation". Uh, you talking to me? Of course it's speculation, but we're from America and if two doors is good then four must certainly be better, right? Actually, no, we're fine with the GT-R fulfilling its purpose as a personal road rocket with room for two. And no blog started the four-door GT-R rumor, that would be Motor Trend, which, on authority from a "senior Nissan source", went so far as to commission renderings of the imaginary model, as well.

Infiniti will likely, however, field a successor to the discontinued Q45 that's more suited to take on its German competition, a charge that's all the more relevant considering Infiniti's impending penetration into the Western European market. Such a flagship model would likely be powered by the new 390-horsepower 5.0L V8 that debuted in the also-new FX50 in Geneva. Hopefully the next Q will be more competitive than the model that no one noticed disappear from the market two years ago, but don't expect a four-door GT-R. It doesn't sound like Ghosn wants one at the moment and the brand is more in need of a new top model to replace the M35/45 that's hardly suited for the job.

[Source: Motor Trend]

Modified by gammer_ghn at 12:32 AM 4/7/2008

[MinisterofDOOM]

I'm not really too sure of the Autoblog stuff. That site has a pretty horrible "prediction" track record.

Also, I think a lot of this speculation is another case of people combining way too many theories into one. There are 2 or 3 possible cars in the autoblog speculation. Who says they have anything in common?

The new VK50DE (or DD?) will have the continuously variable valve opening mechanism like the VQ37HR (or whatever it is called?) thus elilminating the TB.

VK50VE actually. DE just has "standard" CVTC and the DD is direct injection with CVTC. VE's the one with the "infinitely" Variable Valve Event and Lift from the VQ37VHR.

And actually, the Nissan version of this technology, unlike the BMW equivalent, does still use a throttle body.

[elwesso]

i think we're seeing another 1990 again... They just came out with the GTR and now theyre talking about bringing out a top of the line infiniti..

My guess is, as usual, nissan will build an amazing car but America wont be ready for it AND/OR they will mess up the marketing...

America bastardizes amazing cars. Why do you think the Germans never give us the REAL German cars? Because we wont appreciate them.. WHERE ARE THE CUPHOLDERS??? Its like slapping Mr Miyagi (or Hans) in the face...

[NightRiderQ45]

You still see people with CLS's and M5's and all types of sports cars driving around, the gas prices aren't really going to be a huge factor. and they are trying to improve gas mileage to stay ahead of the game.

Yes, the Mercedes CLS will be my next car payment purchase...I LOVE that car and it's body style. A friend of mine who got drafted in the NFL purchased one and it's lovely. I'm not a big fan of the M5's though.

[maxnix]

Yes, the Mercedes CLS will be my next car payment purchase...

Never a payment, always cash! Either you can afford it or you can't.

[maxnix]

VK50VE actually. DE just has "standard" CVTC and the DD is direct injection with CVTC. VE's the one with the "infinitely" Variable Valve Event and Lift from the VQ37VHR.

And actually, the Nissan version of this technology, unlike the BMW equivalent, does still use a throttle body.

Now that just doesn't make sense! Main reason for the technology is to eliminate the throttle body which is after all a intake limiting valve.

[NightRiderQ45]

Never a payment, always cash! Either you can afford it or you can't.

Paying cash for large amounts is silly and not financially smart! If you have $50k saved and saw a car you wanted for $47k, are you telling me you would dump you cash reserve for a car that will depreciate as soon as you drive off the lot!?! Did you pay for your house in cash? I highly doubt it. If you look at some of the most wealthy people, they pay mortages. Not because they "can't afford it", they put that large amount in high yield investment accounts, earn interest off of it while they are making payments.

See that way, they have the product that they want and still making money off their initial investment. Son...take a class in finance or better yet speak with an great financial planner and they will tell you the trick of the trade. I have a lot of "well to do" people in my immediate circle and I sit back and soak up what they do. I've learn to put my money in investment accounts, let it gain interest and work for me.

Come on Maxnix, I'm 26 and I'm more of an financial guru than you!?! BTW, I can afford the CLS now with my engineering salary plus what I have stashed in my two high yield cd's but I choose not too purchase now because my Q is still running perfectly.

Back to the thread, I would love to see this new Q or M though!

[maxnix]

Paying cash for large amounts is silly and not financially smart!

I am saying the only thing stupider is financing a depreciating asset!

[maxnix]

And finally back on topic.

"As for a replacement for the Q45 flagship sedan, Capps revealed that a final decision won’t come for at least six months. It appears officials are waiting to see how the economy turns out. Instead, Capps said that most dealers are hoping to receive something in the “near-luxury segment” along the lines of the current G sedan. “We're asking Infiniti for a whole new model in that segment, along with derivatives,” he said."

http://www.motorauthority.com/....html

[Q45tech]

The new CAFE standards will put an end to many models and engines over 3.0 liters. Just as they have done in EU and JP.

[Infinitiguy19]

So your saying there killing the sports and super cars?

I hope Canada is better so I can move there

[carfrk666]

thats it, im taking out a loan lol, im sold, sign me up