New style OEM oil filter vs Mobil 1 filter

[elwesso]

I still have a stash of 15208-60u00 filters, so Im good for a while... however, my stockpile wont last forever... I am going to do an oil change this week(end) and have a blackstone oil analysis done. I am very antcy to see how this castrol 0w30 (the good stuff) works out... Its a little thin for my liking, i may go to the 0w40 M1...

I have to order a few knick nacks from Joe sometime in the near future.. I read that the new one (blue) is the same, except its got less dense filter material... Which means inferior filtering...

I was talking to Fred about this, and he said the M1s may have a slightly DENSER (better filtering) than the 60U00's, however he did note that the pressure drop could be slightly more than the OEM...

I am going to buy the ABSOLUTE best for this Q.. On my old Q, could have cared less, I used whatever the oil monkeys put on there.. This one actually has some engine value, is clean, and I value everything...

If the blue OEMs are good, ill get them.. However, if the M1s are closer (or identical) to the old ones, ill go with that... or if theres a third one thats even better, Ill buy it......

I would like to use redline oil, but ill use cheaper synthetic oil and change it more often.....

[JoshIsSciFi]

BOW to the power of 0w40 M1 SuperSyn!!!!! My Q loves it to death, she runs noticeably better with it than with anything else I've tried.

[Jesda]

I ran Valvoline Maxlife recently to clean up what was left of the dino oil the dealer put in after a motor flush. Then I switched to Wal-Mart's Supertech 10w30 full synth. Its not only smoother, there's less valve clatter and lifter noise. Can't beat $2.97 a quart. Also running a Supertech filter.

-Jesda

[elwesso]

I thought you used M1 Jesda? or low on the funds.....?

[Jesda]

Its worth the $14 savings, especially since I'm changing the oil more frequently this winter with so many short trips.

[Falkdesigns]

It certainly can't compare in price, but if you want the absolute best as you say, Amsoil is the best. Search around on the web and you'll find nothing but priase for the stuff. Including thier filters. I only speak from experience, not from "what he or she said", but what I've seen with my eyes, including my own oil analysis from the past in a car I drove 10x harder. I'm done preaching it's quality though from discussions in the past, so that's all I'm gonna say.

[elwesso]

I cant justify the cost of amsoil... I just dont like using oil that long. I might look into their filters though..... hmmm.....

Looking under my oil cap all i see is bright shiney metal (with a little bit of varnish, gonna get osme BG quick clean).. I intend on doing everything to keep it that way

[JT_MONEY_2004]

The nissan Maxima(and others) oil filter and the Q45 filter's are the same... I guess...they fit, that's what i use. Better price than M1 and dealer item, so no more M1's for me probably.

Jesda, isn't the Fram's better than the supertech filters...that's what my walmart guy told me.

[qship96]

Wes,I mailed my Redline 10w-30 sample to Blackstone today.Lets both post our results and get some numbers on this board to establish some baselines.I have 19 60u00 filters left,enough to last till the burial of the q!I hear good things about both the Mobil and K&N filters.I have switched to Mobil 1 10w-30 for this interval to get some comparison numbers to the Redline I have been using,will sample and post those early Feb.{5,000 miles}

[ScottJackson]

I don't know which filters are best and what oil is best, but DON'T use Fram filters and if you buy synthetic oil, don't buy Castrol Syntec, because it's not synthetic. I think Jesda is doing the right thing with the wal-mart Tech2000 oil. And their filters are supposed to be pretty good. I use Wix filters and non synthetic, but will probably switch to walmart or Mobil1 synthetic soon.

[Jesda]

After a few hours of research, I learned that the SuperTech filters were made to Wal-Mart specifications by Champion, and depending on where youre from, the Wal Mart oil is made by WPP (most of the country), Quaker State (the south and west), or SuperKleen (Canada).

The disadvantage to SuperTech filters are less surface area and a 'digital' bypass valve, which is either completely open or closed instead of opening gradually -- 'analog'. The 'digital' type gets the job done, but the standard 'analog' type is apparently better at filtering throughout the RPM range.The low-end Fram filter has the same issues except its VERY poorly constructed, using a cardboard end plate inside attached with some crappy glue.

The SuperTechs also seem to provide good flow and efficiency, much better than Fram. Of course, the Fram XG is better than the SuperTech, but thats a $10 filter.

For $2, you simply cannot find a better oil filter value -- you cant! Just replace every 3-4k. Wix/Napa filters are supposed to be pretty gosh darn good, but I cant find a nearby supplier here.

But if you're running something like Amsoil for 10k then, of course, you can justify the expense for an Amsoil or Mobil 1 filter.

-Jesda

[pito11213]

Wes go with the M1 filter. With the M1 motor oil just not the 30W and you will be satisfied. Cost some bread but overall so does your car.

[Q451990]

Just found a link to this on another thread - it's a good read. My vote is for the M1.

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com...study/

[elwesso]

Heath.. Very cool thread...

Remember that this 0w30 in the castrol syntec is the special stuff that Fred told us about. He said its a group IV base stock, or possibly group V, and it costs the same as M1. However, the engine is not as clean as Id like it, so Im buying some BG quick clean, doing a few dino changes and then prolly go to mobil 1..

I will buy my $5 cheapo new and inferior OEMs before I go by walmart brand. Something isnt reassuring by this statement: the SuperTech filters were made to Wal-Mart specifications by Champion...

I wont run oil for more than 4500 miles anyway, and I think thats plenty safe on mobil 1.. that puts me at about 3 oil changes a year, and thats pretty decent since i dont drive a lot...

[AZhitman]

I'd keep using the OEM's, then roll over to the M1.

I've been doing the WalMart Mobil 1 synthetic changes EVERY 3K (sometimes at 2500-2900), and have 3 "old-style" filters left.

Will be going with the M1 filter afterwards.

[elwesso]

Would you buy the M1s over the new OEM?

I will probably keep one old OEM as a keep sake, and maybe sell for like $30 in 10 years

Thanks Greg, i think ill go to the M1 next time.. I want my engine as clean as yours, and its quite close..

[Jesda]

There's been stories of oil leaking out of some M1 filters. Can anyone confirm?

[JoshIsSciFi]

Jesda, I never had a single problem running M1 filters in any car I've had, but I will tell you this, use the Purolator PureOne filters, they filter the exact same micron as the M1s for $5 less, I've switched to those now after being a die-hard M1 filter user for years, and there is no difference at all, running M1 0w40 with a PureOne is GOLDEN©

[elwesso]

Jesda, I never had a single problem running M1 filters in any car I've had, but I will tell you this, use the Purolator PureOne filters, they filter the exact same micron as the M1s for $5 less, I've switched to those now after being a die-hard M1 filter user for years, and there is no difference at all, running M1 0w40 with a PureOne is GOLDEN©

Interesting, ill do some research on that

[qship96]

not so sure why some here feel the need to go with heavier 40 weight oil,when infiniti recommends a 30 weight? if qtech has used 10-30 with 270,000 miles on the motor with great results,why do some feel this need to go heavier without measuring their oil pressure to see if it is warrented?if not needed,the use of a heavier oil only robs power,economy,and longevity.

[DAEDALUS]

they filter the exact same micron as the M1s for $5 less,

Not at Joe's prices they don't!

[Jesda]

not so sure why some here feel the need to go with heavier 40 weight oil,when infiniti recommends a 30 weight? if qtech has used 10-30 with 270,000 miles on the motor with great results,why do some feel this need to go heavier without measuring their oil pressure to see if it is warrented?if not needed,the use of a heavier oil only robs power,economy,and longevity.

With M1 10w30, I get loud obnoxious clatter on startup (if its been sitting a couple days) and a little bit of lifter ticking. M1 5w40 was perfect. Apparently M1 10w30 is thinner than other 30w oils.

[elwesso]

Qship, Fred has said that the reason we use a 40 weight oil is because we have older engines, tolerances expand and it will give better pressure..

The 0w40 seems like the ideal winter and somewhat mild summer oil for the Q.. Jesda is right, the M1 is thin for a 30 weight...

My winter oil will be M1 0w40 and then in the summer 10w40, or may just go 0w40 all year round...

[qship96]

wes,while i agree the 10w-30 mobil leans toward the thinner range of 30w oils,qtech says he still uses it at 270,000 miles BASED on oil pressure readings at idle-has fred ever measured oil pressure to see the need for a thicker oil,or basing his opinion on internet chatter from the oil boards?qtechs measured testing at 270,000 miles,plus infiniti`s recommendation for a 30w oil seem a safer bet to me.

[elwesso]

I see what your saying, but I trust Fred with everything in this regard.. He uses a 30 weight in his Z, and says a 40 weight is nearly perfect for the VH45.. Not to discredit Dennis or anything, but I value Freds opinion in this matter... To each their own... I want to know why you think running a 30 weight over a 40 weight is safer in the Q