New Rubber, lower, more flushness!

[FolkertSX]

Well today I got my new tires installed. Theyre Nexen N3000 215/40/17. I was running 225/45 Azenis's. But the sidewall was way too big for being slammed. My fronts rubbed the fenders and the wheel wells when I turned. So i had to run lots of negative camber. With my new tires im about 1/2 lower and now i can make my camber more like -1. If im correct you want a little bit of negative camber right? I could make it zero if i wanted to. What do you think? heres what the one i adjusted is at right now




like i said i can take off more.
this one guy at discount tire was telling me how bad stretching tires was. and he insisted on me buying all season continentals. and the best part he wanted me to buy some 7 inch rims with like a 40 offset.
theyre hardly even stretched. falken said my old azenis could safely be put on a 9inch rims, 215's only one step smaller


As for fitment I still would like maybe a 10 or 8mm spacer. (which they also advised me not to get). And does anyone know a why to adjust the camber in the back with stock rucas. like slotting something to make it adjustable. the last owner did that with my front coilovers for some crazy negative camber.

i just ordered a 1 1/2 inch spacer for the back because its sunkin. but im kind of regreting that. instead id like a 25mm or 20mm spacer and just take out all the camber.

options?

[omgshawn]

Not bad. Get rid of the spacers, especially a 1.5" one! Me, personally, wouldn't run more then a 10mm spacer, because I like my wheel bearings to last. Other then that looking good

[laxands13]

that looks a lot better man. but yeah , get some kind of spacer

[FolkertSX]

i dont have any spacers on now. but i did order the 1.5" already
haha, anyway though ive read plenty that theyre fine to use. jeep guys use them all the time offroading. and i was reading them some porsches come with them from the factory. i know id rather not use them either. which is why im first looking for another option

[FolkertSX]

in case i didnt make it clear the rear spacers are not on. haha thats why you could fit a baby in the gap

[nifares240]

I have a 10mm spacer on my beater 240, bought the car like that. I hate it. steering wheel starts to shimmy at 60. that's why I never run spacer on the other one. get the wheel size of your choice and avoid spacers.

[omgshawn]

Well there is no doubt they put more stress on the wheel bearings. I'd bet you $10 you'll have to replace them within 6 months with that 1.5" spacer

[FolkertSX]

I have a 10mm spacer on my beater 240, bought the car like that. I hate it. steering wheel starts to shimmy at 60. that's why I never run spacer on the other one. get the wheel size of your choice and avoid spacers.

i don't drive my car on the freeway. side roads ftw. not really..but i never go far. dont trust my car anyway

i just read an interesting point. wouldnt buying wheels with a crazy low offset wear out your bearings also. its bascially the same thing as spacers. Its moving the weight farther out.

[omgshawn]

No, spacers make the hub 'longer', it doesn't matter what the offset the wheel, the hub(of the wheel) stays in the same place. Spacers push it out and increase the stress. Think of it as using a breaker bar to take off a stuck bolt...you add leverage further out by using a breaker bar, well the same happens to the bearings when you put the stress further out ie spacers

[FolkertSX]

true. idk i just read that on another forum. wouldnt it be like putting all the weight on the outside instead of more evenly though. idk

so does anyone know if you can slot your rucas or adjust camber somehow in the rear

[omgshawn]

Buy adjustable RUCA's for rear camber

Where the weight is being put doesn't change, the hub/wheel face stays in the same place. That changes when you increase the length between the hub and the face of the wheel. Think of it as simple physics. Not trying to bash you or anything just want to let you know what does happen when running large spacers

[devlmaycry]

RUCA's are cheap and people are always parting out 240's. You should be able to find a set real easy and then not have to worry about slotting the stock RUCA.

[riceboy666]

dang! This is my new wallpaper XD

[iitywygms]

No, spacers make the hub 'longer', it doesn't matter what the offset the wheel, the hub(of the wheel) stays in the same place. Spacers push it out and increase the stress. Think of it as using a breaker bar to take off a stuck bolt...you add leverage further out by using a breaker bar, well the same happens to the bearings when you put the stress further out ie spacers

Not sure if I agree. It does not matter how you get the wheel to its final position. It is where the wheel is located in its final position.

So, all things being equal exept the rim. One rim is 0 offset, and one is 3 inches offset.
If I use a 3 inch spacer to get my 0 offset rim 3 inches farther from the wheel bearing, that is the same as using the rim that is offset 3 inches. In both cases, the tire is still located 3 inches farther from the wheel bearing.
No?

[omgshawn]

No. It doesn't matter because the face of the wheel doesn't change in relation to the hub, and that is where the force is transferred to the bearings. It's the same concept of a simple lever fulcrum.

[iitywygms]

Right. The suspensions control arms are the pivot point.
The location of the wheel is the end of the lever arm. So no matter how you increase the distance from the pivot point, the force is still the same along the lever arm.
using your example of a pry bar. If you take a 9" extension and add a 3" extension (spacer) you now have a 12" extension to pry with.
Would using just a 12 inch extension to pry with offer more leverage? No, they are both the same.

[omgshawn]

Lol, I'm not going to argue with you, I'm sure there are people here who will agree with me. My point still stands. Obviously whatever way I try to explain it you'll give a reason why you think it's wrong. If you use simple logic it's very easy to understand.

OP, if you want to run spacers and ruin your wheel bearings, go ahead. If you agree with iity that adding spacers is the same as changing offset then there is no point in discussing this

[iitywygms]

OP. Running spacers is the same as running different offsets. I apologize for taking this thread off topic.

omgshawn. Not trying to get into a contest here. Just getting facts straight.

Do the bolt-on wheel spacers or adapters increase the load on suspension parts?
The suspension loads are only affected by the centerline of the wheel. Billet adapters usually correct offset issues when bolting newer style high offset wheels onto older cars or trucks that were designed with low offset wheels. A wheel with a 25mm offset and a 1" adapter is identical to the suspension as a 0mm factory wheel. These loads are the same on the wheel studs, bearings, bushings, because the wheel is in exactly the same location on the car.

Soruce.
https://www.performancewheel.com/Spacer ... 7/aQ69#try

If you use simple logic it's very easy to understand. EXACTLY.

[iitywygms]

OP. Your car looks great btw.

[omgshawn]

Hahahaha, ok dude. Of course they're going to say that, they sell them! I don't see any charts showing the actual load between lower offsets and spacers, do you?

[OutToWinPAHC]

Ehh that carved out groove on the coilover is kinda scary.

[omgshawn]

So by your logic, a 8" wheel with a +40 offset and a 60mm spacer will put the same amount of load on bearings that a 8" wheel and -20 offset?

[iitywygms]

So by your logic, a 8" wheel with a +40 offset and a 60mm spacer will put the same amount of load on bearings that a 8" wheel and -20 offset?

Tell ya what. I will wager $20.00 paid to a pay pal account.
I will start a new topic.
The question will be. Is it how you get the offset, or what the offset is, that affects the wear on suspension parts.
You in?

[omgshawn]

That is not the question.

"OP. Running spacers is the same as running different offsets. I apologize for taking this thread off topic."

This. I will have no problem wagering that this is wrong

[PyroTecK]

yes. that places the tire in the same position on both wheels.

in anycase o.p. make sure w/e u decide on is hubcentric. car looks good btw, i would have gone w/ a wider tire though but thats just me, and yes, u do want some camber.

if the wheel shimmies at 60 im more inclined to think its ur wheel balance.

[iitywygms]

No, you said.

No, spacers make the hub 'longer', it doesn't matter what the offset the wheel, the hub(of the wheel) stays in the same place. Spacers push it out and increase the stress. Think of it as using a breaker bar to take off a stuck bolt...you add leverage further out by using a breaker bar, well the same happens to the bearings when you put the stress further out ie spacers

Wrong.

It is the offset that increase stress, not the fact that a spacer is used. It is the final offset
My offer still stands. In fact, I will ask if the statement you made is true in the forum.
Offer still stands. You in?

[FolkertSX]

OP. Your car looks great btw.

thank you sir!

dang! This is my new wallpaper XD

what is your new wallpaper? haha. all the pictures i posted in this thread are not even full car shots

as for ittygyms and omgshawn, i thank you for the enthusiasm, but making a different thread would be much appreciated. im not mad, dont get me wrong. I'm curious as what people think on the subject

[Hoffman5982]

looks good! I got the same exact tires. For the price, I like them. They are more quiet than my bridgestone potenzas I had on my stock se wheels

[FolkertSX]

^ yea i havent really got a chance to test em. i heard they were the best bang for the buck though. i went driving today and attempted to slide around a corner. i wasnt expecting it and got alot of understeer. my bald azenis let loose all the time
maybe i got to wear in the nexens alittle bit. and get used to em in a empty parking lot

[nifares240]

I have a 10mm spacer on my beater 240, bought the car like that. I hate it. steering wheel starts to shimmy at 60. that's why I never run spacer on the other one. get the wheel size of your choice and avoid spacers.

i don't drive my car on the freeway. side roads ftw. not really..but i never go far. dont trust my car anyway

i just read an interesting point. wouldnt buying wheels with a crazy low offset wear out your bearings also. its bascially the same thing as spacers. Its moving the weight farther out.

well that sucks.