New performance part for 2003 Infiniti M45

[caug]

hello, check this out http://www.sunautomobile.comit is hyper voltage system. gets better torque, mileage e.c.tlooks good.what you all think?later.

[szh]

Improving the ground, providing more accurate/better voltage levels will certainly not hurt any car, and may make for better overall smoothness if all the electronics are better connected electrically.

But, claims that it will improve torque, mileage, etc. are a bunch of hogwash, IMHO.

Z

[maxnix]

it is hyper voltage system. gets better torque, mileage e.c.tlooks good.

Whoooo....pass the snake oil, after market CAI and a couple of Turbonators!

Are owners really this gullible? Well, I guess monster cable made it big on the public's ignorance of physics.

[caug]

is it a wise *** coment?i hope you not trying to be a wise *** with your q45 here.go to the web page and ask for mike and talk to him,then make some smart comments.i will listen to you. we got car here that can be fast and we cant do anything about it. i am just trying to do something about it.if you have nothing good to say or useful to say then don't say anything.get the real car like m45.

[auditech10]

wow dont get so defensive. the m45 IS a smaller version of the q45 and the q45 is everything the m45 wants to be. so what makes the m so much better in your eyes????these things are garbage, they dont work. if you want people to believe that they do then waste your money on this crap and do a before and after dyno run, all other constants being the same and prove it to us before you take a salesperson's word that the product is golden!cheers

[caug]

wow,so you would trade your m for Q?are you 65 years old.

[audtatious]

Guys, play nice and stop with the arguing. This would be a good thread to discuss what/why instead of biting each others heads off

Don't make me send you to a corner for a timeout

[caug]

o.k.You wanna piece of me too? You got it. just joking. that's why i put post to talk to people that had personal experience and know what they talking about. This hyper thing is around for a few years in japan even here. we all know how far japan ahead of u.s. so lets just listen carefully and try to understand them.i rather talk about how to make car perform better then look better. this for auditech10. #1. reason why M better them Q: looks, #2. performance.what else do you want out of the car when you buy one? i am sure that everybody on this forum bought the M for the same two reason.?what about you? you wanted q but settle for m. i don't think so.lets just try to make m go faster. we all want it.cheers.

[szh]

Folks, I have experience as an electrical and software engineer and have spent many years (close to 30) working with circuits and stuff (although I have not been a hands-on design engineer for a while now). I will try to comment on this with that perspective.

Providing correct electrical voltages, making better grounds, etc., is always a good idea - particularly in a "noisy" (electrical-wise) vehicle environment. So, yes, adding a good grounding system can help to make the electrical environment cleaner. Measurements of sensors become more accurate; transmissions of analog signals is easier; etc.

Often, it removes pesky gremlins - sometimes intermittent - that can plague the electronics in a car. Things start working when they might not otherwise. Particularly in older cars, with corroded or high-resistance contacts and wiring.

Eliminating (or reducing) ground-bounce, reducing the resistance to ground for high-current circuits (so that the digital logic circuits are less susceptible to logic errors - better voltage margins) is always good.

Etc., etc., etc.

So, yes, in general, adding a better grounding wiring system can help certain issues in vehicles!!

But, it cannot change the performance of an engine and give you more horsepower, it cannot up the mileage you get, it cannot provide the claims mentioned in such ads and sites, etc., in any perceptible way whatsoever. This is simply not possible ... and we can spend a lot of time trying to explain why!

Thus, site and ads that claim to do this with such electrical system mods are clearly relying on the lack of knowledge of their buyers. This behavior always leads me to be more suspicious of their intentions and avoid buying from them. Frankly, if they would simply and honestly list what they know are the true advantages, then I would be far more inclined to be a buyer!

Hope this helps ...

Z

[Mark Linkous]

Wow, this thread seems to have a lot of acrimony going on. On the subject of Monster Cable, I think Mannix is right on. The proudest day of my still evolving A/V system construction, was, the banishing of all Monster products. I lied, I still use a power conditioner that I bought from HCM audio for peanuts and figured it couldn't be worse than a Home Depot one. As for the M/Q p***ing match, as the great Rodney King so succinctly said, can't we all just get along? As an aside, I suppose at least for myself, I know I can't have everything. That is, I cannot expect a low production car that had to be discounted generously off the rip just to move the off the lot to have a burgeoning aftermarket. This seems especially applicable to us Y34/F50 owners. The trouble most all of us have had in obtaining Eibachs for our Y34's is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. I have to agree with the postings about researching the vehicle you are buying. That is knowing unless you throw major dinero around, you are not going to find any performance parts upgrades. This is obviously not applicable to original owners in that how could you know what might be made available.Mark

[caug1]

guys,i am just truing to improove the performance of the car. Anything that could improove the car would be a plus. i still would recomemd to talk to mike from the link i posted.later.

[szh]

guys,i am just truing to improove the performance of the car. Anything that could improove the car would be a plus. i still would recomemd to talk to mike from the link i posted.later.

Oh, you can definitely get that product - it will help the electrical performance of the car most likely! Just don't believe everything else that the web site tells you!

Z

[auditech10]

OR what the salesman tells you.

[lswaidz]

The thing looks a lot like a very, very expensive ground loop isolator which can be purchased for a few bucks at radio shack or any car stereo store... some people will buy anything. You know if you search M45 on eBay you can buy a $150 "supercharger" for the car too. It looks real fancy. Oh and when you buy that, don't forget to drop at least $25 on the "Vortex" fuel economy booster. How can you pass that up? 25% better economy for $25... that's like a dollar a percent!

[auditech10]

With this ground thing why not just buy some bigger cable and re-ground the enitre engine bay. You would get the same difference.

[szh]

With this ground thing why not just buy some bigger cable and re-ground the enitre engine bay. You would get the same difference.

Yes.

These guys, with the ground cable set, have done it all for you, connectors and all, for a small cost - probably worth it rather than having to do it yourself. You can find kits like this on eBay for not too much money at all.

Now, the "hyper-voltage" thing is a bit more work ... I have not seen what they have in there, so cannot comment on that.

Z

[caug]

thanks god,now we are talking, thank you very much.positive thinking is good for me.

[ClutchKick]

I carry the Sun Auto line... They claim alot of things... THey have done testing to back it up...

Im gonna see if I can get them to let me test one on my M

[vzuptnguyen]

guys dont fight, its a small community as it is already. im sure everything was lost in translation. i read post from both sides and honestly, nothing seems offending at all.

and please dont bag on this car though, it hurts my feelings

[vzuptnguyen]

Folks, I have experience as an electrical and software engineer and have spent many years (close to 30) working with circuits and stuff (although I have not been a hands-on design engineer for a while now). I will try to comment on this with that perspective.

Providing correct electrical voltages, making better grounds, etc., is always a good idea - particularly in a "noisy" (electrical-wise) vehicle environment. So, yes, adding a good grounding system can help to make the electrical environment cleaner. Measurements of sensors become more accurate; transmissions of analog signals is easier; etc.

Often, it removes pesky gremlins - sometimes intermittent - that can plague the electronics in a car. Things start working when they might not otherwise. Particularly in older cars, with corroded or high-resistance contacts and wiring.

Eliminating (or reducing) ground-bounce, reducing the resistance to ground for high-current circuits (so that the digital logic circuits are less susceptible to logic errors - better voltage margins) is always good.

Etc., etc., etc.

So, yes, in general, adding a better grounding wiring system can help certain issues in vehicles!!

But, it cannot change the performance of an engine and give you more horsepower, it cannot up the mileage you get, it cannot provide the claims mentioned in such ads and sites, etc., in any perceptible way whatsoever. This is simply not possible ... and we can spend a lot of time trying to explain why!

Thus, site and ads that claim to do this with such electrical system mods are clearly relying on the lack of knowledge of their buyers. This behavior always leads me to be more suspicious of their intentions and avoid buying from them. Frankly, if they would simply and honestly list what they know are the true advantages, then I would be far more inclined to be a buyer!

Hope this helps ...

Z

i work in the aviation industry, and notice some of the technologies that were engineered for airplanes, are now surfacing for cars. I.E. Grounding system. GPS... guys, all the technologies are out there. why american do not release them? probably marketing. for example, rear backup cameras came out for japanese models in the 90s, as well as bumper sensors, gps, blind spot cameras...ETC. like the poster said, listen to the japanese =]

[auditech10]

Like I stated earlier, the Q45 is everything its smaller brother, the M45, wants to be and more. Im not saying I like the Q more, if I did I would have gotten one.Cheers

[caug]

wow this car look nice.is it photos of trick out new Buick lesabre?my grandpa getting excided. i worry for him he is 85.

[ClutchKick]

Junction Produce FTMFW!

[nmgoodthing]

Yea, that Cima is hot!

Caug, why don't you buy the device, install it and let us know how it does?

Throw on a few type R stickers while your at it and bump up another 4 horses.

[caug1]

stop making fun of me, i am just trying to help you.what are you doing to make it better?love you anyway,caug

[nmgoodthing]

I'm just playin buddy.

I'm a grouchy old man

I knew you had a sense of humor.

BTW. I'm plenty happy w/ my performance the stock engine gives me. I've had it scare me a few times and is plenty fast enough for me.

Thanks for looking out for options.

[vzuptnguyen]

its weird, people are thinking this is like a ricey/ non-working controversial item. its just a hyperground system, and yes it does work well. i had them on my TL and my friend has buddyclub ones on his RSX. although i did not feel any more torque or got better mileage. i did feel cars throttle body response a lot better.

im sure grounding system is something every tuner has considered, and most serious tuners have.

[auditech10]

Sure, its good for the electrical system, but thats not what was in question initially. You will not get anymore noticable power out of using this device. And if you have any electrical mindset you could do this same thing for a lot less money.

[caug1]

i should have stated " please respond ONLY if you have had personal experience" not personal opinion out of blue. that i dont care to hear. also i said tourqe, mileage and E.C.T.THANK YOU.