New Obama Emission standards and our cars!

[liquid_cool]

Starting in 2012..just a few short years away..all cars will be requierd to reach the 35+mpg standard..and light passenger cars will be mandated to reach 39mpg by 2016...they of course did not say wat would happen to older vehicles..they allways leave that out...the AP article on the subject allso mention'd ..raising gas prices to force consumer.."Thats us" to buy small electric cars...well since the government took over the car industry..guess we will be forced to buy from them?..or else?..the president during the gas crunch did state "i exspected gas prises to hit the levels of the Euopean Union , but just not this soon"..just some info..they pay 8 euro's per liter..thats about $10.us for a 1 liter bottle of gas!..this type of thinking is scaring the hell out of me..what as sportcompact owners do you all think of this?

[nissan_star]

this is more of a politics thing, i already saw a thread in the forum

zerothread?id=425418

To your point:Why does't the gov. just Give everyone the same car, house, appliances, yard and sallary! Right when we get out of college! That would solve all of the problems we will make as "dumb americans" when we try to make a choice.

this administration is the death of chioce, or freedom, if you like.

[Firewind]

This is definitely more of a political post....

However, if you read this, it's applying to new manufactured cars, which they can easily reach that, with out electric motors. Higher fuel efficiency does not always mean lower power.

Chances are their may be some newer stricter emissions for older cars though.

Meh, 2 years, and my car will be registered as a classic car, so I don't care. :P

[Shabbernigdo]

im gonna convert my car to steam power and burn coal and old tires as a fuel source just to piss em off.

[liquid_cool]

im gonna convert my car to steam power and burn coal and old tires as a fuel source just to piss em off.

i like your idea...allthou this is a slightly political post..it was ment as a warning to sparts car owners as the bill states that all older vehicles by 2020 will have to match the standards and it will outlaw carburated vehicles for street use....if the older vehicles cannot meet the standards..im not shure of the wording..but to me its confiscation/destruction?...dont think this wont happen..they all ready violated the constitution by taking controll of the car companys..and screwing the primay investors by giving the unions controlling interest as a minority owner..funded by us..so ya..im scared for my car collection.

[-RJ-]

Effing government!!! Im sure there will be a write up in the near future for swapping a better gas mpg engines into our precious collections, thats my last hope if such a thing happens.

Im hating this president more and more. First he says that he will be moving the convicted terrorlst from Guantanamo Bay to my home town and releasing some of them in Virginia, now hes destroying my freedom to have a car. What is going to happen to the classic cars? How can you outlaw classic old cars, the cars that symbolized America

[Razi]

Exactly.Maybe we should tear down all historic buildings because they aren't as sturdy as modern buildings.

Silly...

[nissan_star]

i like your idea...allthou this is a slightly political post..it was ment as a warning to sparts car owners as the bill states that all older vehicles by 2020 will have to match the standards and it will outlaw carburated vehicles for street use....if the older vehicles cannot meet the standards..im not shure of the wording..but to me its confiscation/destruction?...dont think this wont happen..they all ready violated the constitution by taking controll of the car companys..and screwing the primay investors by giving the unions controlling interest as a minority owner..funded by us..so ya..im scared for my car collection.

Whoa, are you serious about the old car needing to meet new standards? That can't honestly be a part of the bill?! It will in turn be euthenizing all old cars and forcing us to get new cars? Why don't we just kill everybody over 75 years old so we spend way less on health care too?

I will seriously consider moving to AU, Japan or New Z-land if this passes.

BTW,I thought the bill was just so new cars manufacturers make, make an accum. avg. of 35mpg? or is that different?

[Firewind]

i like your idea...allthou this is a slightly political post..it was ment as a warning to sparts car owners as the bill states that all older vehicles by 2020 will have to match the standards and it will outlaw carburated vehicles for street use....if the older vehicles cannot meet the standards..im not shure of the wording..but to me its confiscation/destruction?...dont think this wont happen..they all ready violated the constitution by taking controll of the car companys..and screwing the primay investors by giving the unions controlling interest as a minority owner..funded by us..so ya..im scared for my car collection.

So where are you getting your source information on this?

[liquid_cool]

So where are you getting your source information on this?

Info Via the AP new Agency!...

btw for those who dont know...the government now runs all american car companys...what a better way to enshure there sucsess, by using higher standards that forien manufactuerer's will not bother to try to meet and to force..go green bulls***e on the people...to top this off...there is a bill rite now to force 30% of gas to be made from ethanol..and that actually polutes more than just gas..by 40%..lol..thanks AP again for that and the EPA for the polutant info...last tid bit...light trucks...must allso meet the 35 mpg standard...to do this they must lighten up..thats tranzlates to paper thin metals..this equals ..less safty..less cargo capacity..less productivity..and the SUV..forget it..there gona stop making them...this is getting stupid and scary at the same time.

[nissan_star]

liquid, its ok, let it all out, venting is good. But, I don't think the government owns ford. And I do think that forign cars will stay with us as a market because we have some many drivers and hold a large percent of their sales. Its not like they aren't going to be making fuel efficient cars. I still don't think they will take away our old cars, but I do think that "I wont raise taxes" Obama will hike up a large tax on gasoline to force the consumers to buy newr fuel eff. cars.

I forgot what else I was going to say...

[singleslammer251]

screw america land of the free my a**. lets all move to japan where we can all legally have skylines and what not lol

[Anime_TuneR]

screw america land of the free my a**. lets all move to japan where we can all legally have skylines and what not lol

HAHA!? Hell yeah! Sounds like an alternative option for the Nissan enthusiasts!

[ADiamond75]

Info Via the AP new Agency!...

btw for those who dont know...the government now runs all american car companys...what a better way to enshure there sucsess, by using higher standards that forien manufactuerer's will not bother to try to meet and to force..go green bulls***e on the people...to top this off...there is a bill rite now to force 30% of gas to be made from ethanol..and that actually polutes more than just gas..by 40%..lol..thanks AP again for that and the EPA for the polutant info...last tid bit...light trucks...must allso meet the 35 mpg standard...to do this they must lighten up..thats tranzlates to paper thin metals..this equals ..less safty..less cargo capacity..less productivity..and the SUV..forget it..there gona stop making them...this is getting stupid and scary at the same time.

First off, the government doesn't OWN all the companies. Ford declined the aid from the govt. so they do not have to meet the 35 mpg standard. From how I read the bill that has passed, all companies that received bailout money would be forced to move to the new standard of 35 mpg by 2012 -- with the governments help. Those companies that have not received money (i.e. Ford and all foreign car manufactures) would not be affected by this law. Second, any law that would make it through legislation to require emissions laws would not survive if it worked retroactively. Look at the oil crunch of the 70's and tell me I'm wrong. Even today those cars are grandfathered in and not required to meet any emission standards. Third, to take property such as cars from the public the government has to meet certain guidelines (look up eminent domain). If they cannot do so, (which in the case of vehicles there is no such LEGAL groundwork) the Supreme Court would strike the law down as unconstitutional. Fourth, the government doesn't actually OWN any car company, they simply have a large portion of stock they now control -- that stock will be sold back to the company as it becomes profitable.

Please, before people talk out their a** about laws that are being passed or are going to be passed, actually go read the f***ing bill. There is nothing worse than people thinking that Joe from down the block said X,Y, or Z about a law that congressman A, B, or C is working on without actually getting firsthand knowledge. If the AP has a story about a bill, look up the number for the bill online. If they don't provide one, its most likely not a bill -- its an idea that someone in congress is tossing around. Secondly, its probably a story that has been leaked to the public by a congressman with an agenda. In other words, congressman A wants constituents B to get upset about X, Y or Z and misconstrues information about a bill that isn't even on the table for discussion yet. Again, without a bill number it isn't a formal piece of legislation awaiting a vote.

Also, if you’re going to post up INFO VIA AP NEWS AGENCY ! --- link the story. You might seem at least a little credible and or like you know WTF you are talking about.

[Two Fowty]

this is more of a politics thing, i already saw a thread in the forum

zerothread?id=425418

To your point:Why does't the gov. just Give everyone the same car, house, appliances, yard and sallary! Right when we get out of college! That would solve all of the problems we will make as "dumb americans" when we try to make a choice.

this administration is the death of chioce, or freedom, if you like.

horrible idea.. i mean yeah, in a perfect world, that would be how it is, but our world is far from perfect.. giving everyone the same sallary would cause so many problems in itself.. hey lets pay a doctor the same amount as a gas station clerk. health care would fail with that. it'd destroy the world in so many ways.. its called marxism. learn it

[nissan_star]

horrible idea.. i mean yeah, in a perfect world, that would be how it is, but our world is far from perfect.. giving everyone the same sallary would cause so many problems in itself.. hey lets pay a doctor the same amount as a gas station clerk. health care would fail with that. it'd destroy the world in so many ways.. its called marxism. learn it

My entire post was obviously an atempt at sarcasm. learn it

[liquid_cool]

wow man..you need a darvacet or sumpin..i just relayed a heads up in my own way and you try to flame me....what the heck is wrong with droping a topic most know nothing about on a CAR forum about CAR's! and there furture...so back up a bit..if there is more information that just so happens to be left out...by all means...add to the post in a constructive way...dont be a dushbag and just flame...the info is valid..and so is whats happening to our way of life in this country..you can choose to participate..or go back to puting your head in the sand..and vote again for universal marxisem and change.

[centralcoaster33]

Fourth, the government doesn't actually OWN any car company, they simply have a large portion of stock they now control -- that stock will be sold back to the company as it becomes profitable.

Fourth and First were the same right? The gov't giving back profitable stock? That happens? Doesn't the gov't also have additional, unchecked powers during times of war? Have we ever not been at war since the powers were granted? Think we will ever not be at war in our lifetime? If they were really concerned about the environment, they'd subisidize electric cars and make them affordable. 100K for an electric sports car! WTF! 40K for an electric grocery getter! WTF! That SMART car isn't even electric! WTF! Gas isn't a controlled market, it's a supply and demand market? Liars! Pontiac get's bailouts and bankruptcy? WTF! Forget training drivers, all cars must have ABS and traction control? WTF! Guilty unitl proven inocent... Ever get a 'noisy exhaust' ticket? OMG, we still subsidize corn!?

I'm pissed and ranting and... oh, you noticed? You already stopped listening? Cool. I should just go burn one... Oops, not legal, I mean pound one

Ugh, yet I can't think of a better place to live.

[liquid_cool]

as of today..the news in all major forms reported that the people own 71% of GM...the people?..how bout the government...this is screamin 5th amendment violation....heres a fun note...the EPA (EnviroMENTAL Protection Agency) reported that "Ethanol" actually poluted 3 times more than normal gasoline that did not have the additive...and now they want to mandate 15% in all gas made!...somethin smell like (PAYING FOR VOTES!)

lets see..Ethanol is made from corn....got the farm vote!hummm.....Unions allways vote democrat..got the united autoworkers..teachers unions and truckers unions..they too allways vote democrat.....now add in 60 billion bucks from the SPENDULUS bill.." Our tax money"..they subsidise farms , subsidise ethanol production..and now we subsidise the auto industry...just think on that a while.

[murda-c]

so instead of posting in an engine forum, why don't you go do something about it?

[liquid_cool]

i do..i vote..but this has an underlying effect for all car lovers man..that you just cant realize with a closed mind.....if the government sets emission standards...and if the government runs a car manufacturer..then the government can say..if your car dosent get X amount per gallon you MUST buy X car here to get X amound a gallon..start thinking on that a bit..remember..Obama did say last year " I was hoping for gas at Europes prices , but not this soon" during the gas (crisis) last year..i dont know about you..but i dont want whats going on in cali to happen here in my free state.

[bonestock240sx]

old posts but check out carbon credits and al gore. has a lot to do with whats going on "emissions" wise

[liquid_cool]

Cap and Trade..."cap and TAX!...just past the house i believe...scary..folks need to reaserch that one...there is nothing to do with saving the planet in that bill...or even curbing emissions..its one big a** tax hike on bisness , auto's , and your home heating/electric..

reaserch it and you will be pissed off.

[thetank240]

f*** Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pink_ninja]

sad greed will eventually destory everything

[bonestock240sx]

greed destroys everything. its to bad we haven't realized that in the most recent 3000 years.

[gingerbredman]

You guys mean Hussein.

These new laws and standards etc are just a distraction to steer the public away from bigger things. If their heads are big enough to believe we'll conform to ludicrous laws then they're in for a surprise. All I know in relation to this emission law is if I get pulled over and asked for my keys I'll be on the news.. I will not have this bs. I work too damn hard for what little I have, and I'll be damned if the govt and Hussein want to take that away. I'll go John Connor and start a revo.. nothing.

[bonestock240sx]

yeah i agree with gingerbredman. its a diversion tactic for other s***. but at the same time i dont know if the main stream public knows that this is even going on. i only saw it hear and started telling people about it and they are like wait what going on. thats not true stupid forums. even though i actually went and looked at it. but yeah i dont think very many people know its going on.