new motor spark compression no start

Post by **burnin240sx** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:30 pm

I just finished putting in the rebuilt stock ka and i have the timing chain perfectly lined up and there is fuel cause i smell it on the plugs. I get spark and I am timing the distrubtor with TDC when i feel pressure on the #1 cyl. I hear clicking when i turn the distro with it connected so i know the injectors are working.

When i turn it over I don't get anything. The timing light is flashing but i don't see the marks at all. I'm lost on this one. I'm going to mess with it some more tommorow. Is there anything that you think I might have missed?

Post by **NISTECH** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:46 pm

I think your out of time somewhere if your not seeing the marks. that pretty much gives it away. Dont know if its chain or distrubutor though.

Post by **benemorius** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:46 pm

You may have had it at TDC on the exhaust stroke rather than compression. This would leave your distributor 180 degrees off. For a quick test of this condition, swap the #1 wire with the #4 wire, and #2 and #3 at the distributor.

Post by **burnin240sx** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:33 pm

I tryed it on both storke's all I can think of is that i am off a tooth. I'm in the middle of a rear main job on a integra. I have timed 2 other ka's but i'm just wondering if the 96 block and 93 distro might have some crazy trick to it. i'll mess with it some more on monday when i have time.

Post by **burnin240sx** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:05 pm

I got the timing perfect. But there is one issue. The engine had one good put like it was going to start. Then I started hearing a knocking/ wiring noise from some where. I busted out the compression tester cause I was pissed off that is wasn't starting and I know I had compression.

Well I had about 10 PSI in 3 of the cylinders. I was pissed off to no end cause this is a rebuild block by a machine shop not me. And I know the head was perfect because the car ran before I tore it apart.

NISTECH is there anything I can check at this point. I am lost upset. And confused. And scared to tell the person I’m doing this for the news I found out tonight.

You great knowledge is needed badly. This is going to bug me to no end. Help please.

Post by **burnin240sx** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:26 pm

one thing that bothers me is that i had someone bump the motor to line uip the TDC and they went past by 3 marks. I turned the crank counterclockwise to the TDC mark.

I'm assuming that since i never started the motor and the crank is just rotating it won't matter. Did I make a huge mistake. I'm worried that I did something wrong by doing so. but it may be that is because that is the last thing i did before i started to hear the cranking noise. I'm realing wising i checked the compression before I heared this noise cause i don't know if i had good compression before this issue.

ARRRG I'm so bothered by this damn car. I want to be done with it. and get paid too. but mostly just want it out of my garage. I've rebuild 2 other motors from the headgasket up and they ran fine. this is no difrent other then the machin shop rebuilt the bottom end. I'm scared. I need some reassurance here. very many thanks in advance.

Post by **NISTECH** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:00 am

did you pull the valve cover to be sure your marks were on the money? It still sounds like your out of time ,and worse that your so far out of time you may have tagged some valves[based on the low compression readings coupled with noise.] pull the cover off and bring it to TDC by hand,check all your marks and be sure they are correct. if they are all on have some one bump the starter and watch all the cam lobes, make sure they all turn, It is possible a cam shaft snapped. I know, not what you wanted to hear.

Post by **burnin240sx** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:54 pm

well i know the cams have not snaped and I hand turned the motor by hand so i don't know why it would have valve interferance all of a sudden. Did i break anything by turning the crank counter clock wise? It's just bugging me that's all i just need reassurance.

I'm going to try to motavate me to goto the garage tonight to checj the timing and maybe realling the marks again.

any thing else i should check for?

Post by **NISTECH** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:18 pm

no you wouldnt have broke anything turning it the oppisite way. but when you bring it up on top dead center be sure you do it in the direction the engine rotates. This way it puts any slack to the tensioner side.

Post by **burnin240sx** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:58 pm

I couldn't belive my eyes when i took off the valve cover. The cams looked like this at TDC

<=O <=O

I don't know if i'm a retard or I shouldn't be working on rebuilding a motor for longer the n 8 hours at a time.

Now I have to spend 2 hours retiming the chain. Sigh. and the motor turns freely by hand so i'm praying the valve's are in good shap.

I'll update. when i finish the job

Thanks for the reassurance on the CC thing.

Post by **burnin240sx** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:42 pm

Well I’ve found out what the main problem is.

Apparently the s14 cams have the dowels for the gears at different angles. I was using the s13 timing chain with the s14 cams. This configuration will not work.

So I’m using the s13 cams and the timing LOOKS perfect. I’ll find out tomorrow when I button her up.

It sure is an odd that the timing marks are different and they just happen to not interfere. I wish the did cause I would have found this problem before I took the motor off the engine stand.

Post by **NISTECH** » Sun May 01, 2005 2:50 am

I checked a 93 and a 96 service manual and according to both the marks are the same as well as the dowel alignment. Your reffrence above was off on the exhaust, the dowel should be straight up.

Post by **burnin240sx** » Sun May 01, 2005 2:44 pm

I held both cams side by side and the dowel was difrent on both orange cams and the same for the green cams.

i'm assuming orange for ext and green for intake

Post by **NISTECH** » Sun May 01, 2005 3:03 pm

there should be an I stamped on 1 and an E stamped somewhere on the other.

Post by **burnin240sx** » Sun May 01, 2005 8:52 pm

well the motor is running. i'm not sure what the proper break in proccess is.

this is what i have done. I have start up the motor and let it warm up and run for about 15 mins then cool completely. and i'll start her up tommorow and do the same again. then i'll take her out for a little drive. I'm not goign to rev past 4k till about 500 miles.

Or should i run is hard for like the motoman artical on the fourms say?

BTW thanks for the assistance again.
Modified by burnin240sx at 3:16 AM 5/2/2005

Post by **NISTECH** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:21 am

I am curious as to what you found with the markings on the cams,where the paint marks not indicative of which cam they were?

I wouldnt run it hard till you get it through the break in.

new motor spark compression no start

new motor spark compression no start

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