hey everyone
I'm new to the board but i know a little bit about the silvia just from the net for a long time
I was wondering if what everyone says about the RB25DET is true, the weak internals/meltdowns and things of that nature, I know that it can always be prevented by proper tuning but i cant even drive yet and I really don't have the talent (or time) to custom tune a cars ecu, so what should I reinforce for the car to be able to run pretty constant 16-20 psi? and how much would this cost
oh yeah, a guy has a 1989 240sx fastback with an auto selling for $750, would it be worth it to buy it since i will have to do the auto/manual conversion and the ka24e's hoses and crap dont match up right, or should i just spend 1500 extra for a 91 manual
one more question, does anyone know a person in the atlanta area that knows a lot about swaps? i know unstable-hybrids and mahdavi motorsports do good crap but lookin at their prices they look kinda paper hungry, would they help me out since i wanna do the swap myself? or is there more experts around?
ok thats it thanks
new member RB25DET
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Daunttless
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1) It depends on tuning and knowing your limits, the stock turbo is not especially wonderful though.
2) You're looking at around 7500 dollars if I did the swap with bpu upgrades, more elsewhere. Thats in a fairly stock trim, if you want to start upping the boost and what not it would be more.
3) In regards to the auto vs. manual, if you aren't doing the work, it doesn't matter too much as long as you have money. The auto-manual swap would cost around 700 additional dollars if you had me do it.
4) Joel Burke knows a lot, not sure if he wants to be contacted though. Unstable will not help you nor give you any information, most places won't as you have to take into account that performing these swaps and what not is ther job. If you were a computer programmer would you sit behind someone who didn't know what they were doing and walk them through programming something so that they wouldn't have to pay your consultation fee, no, probably not.
5) This probably shouldn't be your first car, or if it is I hope your parents have a lot of money.
I hope that this helps answer your questions, I"m normally more congenial but I get similar questions all day long. If you don't know much about cars, you probably cannot perform this swap yourself. Good Luck and enjoy your day!
2) You're looking at around 7500 dollars if I did the swap with bpu upgrades, more elsewhere. Thats in a fairly stock trim, if you want to start upping the boost and what not it would be more.
3) In regards to the auto vs. manual, if you aren't doing the work, it doesn't matter too much as long as you have money. The auto-manual swap would cost around 700 additional dollars if you had me do it.
4) Joel Burke knows a lot, not sure if he wants to be contacted though. Unstable will not help you nor give you any information, most places won't as you have to take into account that performing these swaps and what not is ther job. If you were a computer programmer would you sit behind someone who didn't know what they were doing and walk them through programming something so that they wouldn't have to pay your consultation fee, no, probably not.
5) This probably shouldn't be your first car, or if it is I hope your parents have a lot of money.
I hope that this helps answer your questions, I"m normally more congenial but I get similar questions all day long. If you don't know much about cars, you probably cannot perform this swap yourself. Good Luck and enjoy your day!
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thachamp05
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what would you reccomend as far as swaps go?
SR20DET seems like the most obvious choice, thats still like 3000 for the engine, and its spiking even more! and 2000 for the swap if i dont do it myself, for that kind of money i would just spend a little bit more and be able to tell them the engine came out of a skyline, and has 75hp on the s13 sr20 and will make a lot bigger HP on just boost control exhaust & intercooler... thats just what i was thinken
what swap would you reccomend for a fairly cheap project car that wont be a daily driver, I really would like to learn a lot about the nissans & how to work on them since me and my friend are thinking about a 240 club/garage around here...
It might not be much help but i know a guy who used to build F1 cars haha, not joking but would he know a lot about this stuff since its probably TOTALLY different
by the way great work with the board that has to be the quickest reply ever, props
SR20DET seems like the most obvious choice, thats still like 3000 for the engine, and its spiking even more! and 2000 for the swap if i dont do it myself, for that kind of money i would just spend a little bit more and be able to tell them the engine came out of a skyline, and has 75hp on the s13 sr20 and will make a lot bigger HP on just boost control exhaust & intercooler... thats just what i was thinken
what swap would you reccomend for a fairly cheap project car that wont be a daily driver, I really would like to learn a lot about the nissans & how to work on them since me and my friend are thinking about a 240 club/garage around here...
It might not be much help but i know a guy who used to build F1 cars haha, not joking but would he know a lot about this stuff since its probably TOTALLY different
by the way great work with the board that has to be the quickest reply ever, props
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Well, if you want my honest opinion, I wouldn't swap any engine until I had some driving experience, I crashed 5 days after I got my first car and I'm a pretty proficient driver. : ) I haven't crashed since but you're almost bound to hit something nowadays as a young driver, especially with other idiots on the roads. : ) So you'd be throwing a lot of money away to crash right away, especially with a lot of power under the hood. You should drive the stock car around for a while to get the feel of it before you try and tackle a high horsepower car. Have you ever driven a high horsepower car? Its different. : )
Also, my SR20s are 2200, my installation fee is 1000. There usually is a significant price difference between a SR20 and a RB25 swap. : ) If you want it, go for it, its not a bad swap. : ) Just expect to have a lot of money, I suppose a budget would help us out as well. But really, it all comes down to your personal preferences. I truly don't know if the F1 guy would be able to help you, but engine knowledge is fairly transferable, its just specific familiarity that needs to be learned. Like I can identify all the parts of a honda engine, but that doesn't mean I can build one to make power. : ) Good luck with everything and let us know if you have any other questions. Enjoy your day!
Also, my SR20s are 2200, my installation fee is 1000. There usually is a significant price difference between a SR20 and a RB25 swap. : ) If you want it, go for it, its not a bad swap. : ) Just expect to have a lot of money, I suppose a budget would help us out as well. But really, it all comes down to your personal preferences. I truly don't know if the F1 guy would be able to help you, but engine knowledge is fairly transferable, its just specific familiarity that needs to be learned. Like I can identify all the parts of a honda engine, but that doesn't mean I can build one to make power. : ) Good luck with everything and let us know if you have any other questions. Enjoy your day!
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thachamp05
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hmmm... I'm guessing my budget wont be very much to start with, this project will be entirely funded by me since my parents are buying me an SUV or truck probably, I should be making 800 a week though after i turn 16 (mid april) and i can save all the money from my job right now and christmas, I would say around 2000 to start and 800 a week from there
haha pathetic right, my parents have said that if it becomes a hobby of mine then they will support me from there... and once i get a decent engine I will be able to make money from shhhhh... racing. so many people around here would bet their entire paychecks on their brand new trans ams with flow masters and K&N's, or their rice Preludes & Accord V6's, ugh I want somethen they haven't even heard of
ok so i guess obvious choice for price reasons would be the sr20det from you, nice prices
what would i have to do to put the sr20 in the 89, I dont want A/C, power steering... maybe, but not necessary, im gutting the whole thing basically, once again this is NOT a daily driver and i will be gradually moving into high HP
I saw another 240sx a minute ago it had a messed up front bumper, the pop ups and the hood were stuck open, I dont actually know this person who owns this one but I dont think it runs since it has been parked at my church for almost a week i looked at the engine it looks good it says twin cam so its a 91 i think, it also has a 5 speed, what would be a price range for this one
A guy i know pretty good has an 89 with an automatic, it runs but it overheats a lot, he has new fuel injectors and a new radiator and he says a new head gasket will make it stop overheating, he is selling it and he wants 750
which one do you think i should get? im looking for best price and as little conversion work as possible
haha pathetic right, my parents have said that if it becomes a hobby of mine then they will support me from there... and once i get a decent engine I will be able to make money from shhhhh... racing. so many people around here would bet their entire paychecks on their brand new trans ams with flow masters and K&N's, or their rice Preludes & Accord V6's, ugh I want somethen they haven't even heard of
ok so i guess obvious choice for price reasons would be the sr20det from you, nice prices
what would i have to do to put the sr20 in the 89, I dont want A/C, power steering... maybe, but not necessary, im gutting the whole thing basically, once again this is NOT a daily driver and i will be gradually moving into high HP
I saw another 240sx a minute ago it had a messed up front bumper, the pop ups and the hood were stuck open, I dont actually know this person who owns this one but I dont think it runs since it has been parked at my church for almost a week i looked at the engine it looks good it says twin cam so its a 91 i think, it also has a 5 speed, what would be a price range for this one
A guy i know pretty good has an 89 with an automatic, it runs but it overheats a lot, he has new fuel injectors and a new radiator and he says a new head gasket will make it stop overheating, he is selling it and he wants 750
which one do you think i should get? im looking for best price and as little conversion work as possible
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Daunttless
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you may wish to consider the DOHC, you can get a Silvia conversion for the front end and that would solve any front end problems unless theres frame damage. You'll have to change the tach in the 89, if you don't care about PS or AC theres nothing else to worry about. You may wish to head over ot the SR20 forum and start reading. Enjoy your day!
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CurlyStooge
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I'm pretty tired of the shops with-holding info just to make a buck. Leak it out, it helps the community. I'm not posting it on the forums and would prefer anyoen I tell not to either. I know exactly what's needed for any/all RB swaps into an s13 or s14 (the s14 info I have is from a member that is very cool about it and got his info indirectly from C-west, very credible source if you ask me, he is even doing it in his car right now) and if anyone would like to contact me privately for the info with their phone number for me to call them (or I'll give them my office number) I'll be more than happy to tell them what it is. I'll be making a website in the future devoted to RB swaps, for those that would like to donate to the cause (I doubt anyone would dare do such a thing, lol).
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thachamp05 wrote:hmmm... I'm guessing my budget wont be very much to start with, this project will be entirely funded by me since my parents are buying me an SUV or truck probably, I should be making 800 a week though after i turn 16 (mid april) and i can save all the money from my job right now and christmas, I would say around 2000 to start and 800 a week from there
haha pathetic right, my parents have said that if it becomes a hobby of mine then they will support me from there... and once i get a decent engine I will be able to make money from shhhhh... racing. so many people around here would bet their entire paychecks on their brand new trans ams with flow masters and K&N's, or their rice Preludes & Accord V6's, ugh I want somethen they haven't even heard of
ok so i guess obvious choice for price reasons would be the sr20det from you, nice prices
what would i have to do to put the sr20 in the 89, I dont want A/C, power steering... maybe, but not necessary, im gutting the whole thing basically, once again this is NOT a daily driver and i will be gradually moving into high HP
I saw another 240sx a minute ago it had a messed up front bumper, the pop ups and the hood were stuck open, I dont actually know this person who owns this one but I dont think it runs since it has been parked at my church for almost a week i looked at the engine it looks good it says twin cam so its a 91 i think, it also has a 5 speed, what would be a price range for this one
A guy i know pretty good has an 89 with an automatic, it runs but it overheats a lot, he has new fuel injectors and a new radiator and he says a new head gasket will make it stop overheating, he is selling it and he wants 750
which one do you think i should get? im looking for best price and as little conversion work as possible
Ok kid, I'm not usually a mean guy. But today I had to get up at 0500 because some dumb Amn(1 stripe) got a DUI last weekend. The commander sought fit to punish the entire 1200 people in the sqaudron. Because its our job to watch out for everyone else.
So here goes, when I was 16, 4 of my best friends wrapped a Formula 350 around a tree racing. 3 got out of the car. The one in the back left had his lag broken and was pinned in the car. He died screaming as the car slowly burned and then burst into flames.
Do I street race? Yep. Did I when I was 16? Nope. I'm 28 now, been driving really fast cars for the last 10 years. Does that make it ok? Nope. I just sold my strret car to save up a little cash flow for the states. Them I'm going legit.
RASR, look it up. But for christ sakes get some experience before you kill yourself or someone I might know. I think your parents have a great idea, get the SUV.
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Maybe a nice heavy SUV with a set of Firestones...No really, I'm serious though. I think people need to have a bit of experience before jumping behind the wheel. Starting with a race car is a bad thing. Now if he's got a 240 for a year or so then does the swap, atleast he'll know how his car handles. But the stages of hp increase should be gradual. There isn't anything gradual about going from a NA 240 to a RB25DET.
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jap drifter
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yes they are skyline engines. http://www.meggala.com/nissanrb3.html
edit: btw, that site is from the member meggala here...just to give credit where its due. if you read this, nice site meggala
edit: btw, that site is from the member meggala here...just to give credit where its due. if you read this, nice site meggala