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http://www.leftlanenews.com/new-car-buy ... hatchback/

Goodness. Look at those curves.

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Interior looks nice. I don't like the digital speedometer.

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Only question left is how well does it drive? The new 6 and CX-5 are sportier than their predecessors, but the 2012 Mazda 3 I drove didn't feel quite as lively as the first generation 3.

I got 34mpg out of the Skyactiv 2012 I rented, so I'm expecting the same from the new one, perhaps better due to reduced weight.


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Front end looks amazing, however that rear end sweep looks kinda off.

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Although the "MAZDA" nameplate below the large logo on the grill is excessive and tacky, the rest of the design, especially the front end, looks pleasing. As far as whether it's a game changer, can't really say without driving one. Looks promising in pics, that's clear to me.

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Bubba1 wrote:Although the "MAZDA" nameplate below the large logo on the grill is excessive and tacky
That's just a plastic filler for where a Euro plate would go.

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Bubba1 wrote:Although the "MAZDA" nameplate below the large logo on the grill is excessive and tacky
That's just a plastic filler for where a Euro plate would go.
Ah. I still think they shoulda used a blank black covering, especially since it's being shown to the press.

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I think Mazda is making the most exciting cars right now. I would take just about anything from them. I wish I felt the same way about Nissan...

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Theres that hideous front end again. Unlike the 6 its good to see they gave it engine options. I'll also credit them for the 6MT standard but like some other automakers it won't be available on all trims.

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Jesda wrote: Image
I think it looks fantastic. I love the new look of the 6 and this new 3 looks even better in hatchback form. I loved the look of the first gen, the second gen not so much but both drove great to me. This new 3 blows both others out of the water look wise.

Mazda is designing the prettiest cars IMO. The 6 looks better than the Fusion and the new Altima which are two other great looking cars.

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Love it. I even like the red. If they eventually offer it in a Speed version, I'll trade mine in when the warranty on mine comes close to running out. I'll hit up one of the guys at the dealership where we bought mine and ask them for a heads up and take it for a test drive.

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AMAZING looking for a compact. Fantastic proportions. My only complaint is the rake of the hatch and backlight. I just can't stand fast-raked hatches. If you're going to do that, why bother with a hatch in the first place. It looks weird and it also destroys cargo space. Might as well have a decklid and a trunk at that point. Except that you can't fid a proper decklid on a compact. Except that Mazda has with every iteration of the 3 so far! The first-gen 3 is one of the best proportioned small sedans in history. I guess I need to see the sedan. But with the first-gen, I preferred the hatch. I think this time around I'll prefer the sedan.

It has a VERY long, low hood for a compact car. It makes it look fantastic, and gives it a MUCH more upscale look. The a-pillars begin aft of the wheel arch, unlike a lot of modern styling-turds (I'm looking at you, Civic).

Digital speedometers are an abomination and I CANNOT FATHOM the mindset that drives their continued use. The Civic's interior is intolerable, and even the best '90s GM products were almost ruined by digital dashes. There's a MASSIVE aftermarket supporting digital-to-analog conversions and somehow manufacturers still don't understand that NO ONE ANYWHERE EVER LIKED THEM.

Another example of a hatch with too-fast rake: the eyebleeding Lancer "Sportback"
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Genuinely nauseating. On top of being a pile of s***.

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Jesda wrote:I think it looks fantastic. I love the new look of the 6 and this new 3 looks even better in hatchback form. I loved the look of the first gen, the second gen not so much but both drove great to me. This new 3 blows both others out of the water look wise.

Mazda is designing the prettiest cars IMO. The 6 looks better than the Fusion and the new Altima which are two other great looking cars.
All of this!

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The steering wheel looks like a toy. The car has a definite "chick car" appearance to it. The back looks like it's hard to see out of. I don't like the wheels either.

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So far, I do not like that rear end... Front looks good though.

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Previous hatch was better in every way aesthetically. IMO of course.

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I like the way interiors in compact cars are getting. That's on par with cars twice the cost not too long ago.

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We saw a Mazda 6 in person at the dealership today and I must say, I was very impressed. :yesnod Even though the 6 doesn't have near the HP my speed3 does, it is stunning. It's very comparable in all the hp / fuel mileage numbers to the Alti, the Accord, and the Camry - sometimes much better. And it looks amazing. If you lined the 4 of them up together, I don't understand why someone would pick any of the others.

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nissangirl74 wrote:We saw a Mazda 6 in person at the dealership today and I must say, I was very impressed. :yesnod Even though the 6 doesn't have near the HP my speed3 does, it is stunning. It's very comparable in all the hp / fuel mileage numbers to the Alti, the Accord, and the Camry - sometimes much better. And it looks amazing. If you lined the 4 of them up together, I don't understand why someone would pick any of the others.
Wow, even picked over an Altima , which features a mighty CVT and memory foam (oops, I mean "zero gravity") front seats?? :chuckle:

I'll have to check out the new 6. I haven't seen one in person yet.

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Imagine that. Mazda can design a prettier, more desirable hatchback than can Ferrari. Now I want to see the 2014 'Speed3.

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The thing that bothers me most about the new 6 AND Fusion is that they've abandoned the infinitely superior double wishbone front suspension for everyman MacPherson struts. One of the things that made BOTH of those cars so great in the last generation was their handling and ride quality. Struts are worse at both things and exponentially worse when trying to combine the two.
IBCoupe wrote:Imagine that. Mazda can design a prettier, more desirable hatchback than can Ferrari. Now I want to see the 2014 'Speed3.
The FF's styling is definitely polarizing, but I'm a HUGE fan. Of course, I've always had a think for shooting brakes and wagons (but not really for hatchbacks). I think the fact that I disagree with you drives home just how much the disappointing rear of the Mazda really harms an otherwise perfect car.
The FF's backlight and upper liftgate are just about as sharply-raked as the Mazda's. But the Ferrari's rear looks sharp and clean and aggressive. The Mazda's looks like a fat-man's belly falling out of his partially-tucked shirt.
I think part of the problem with the Mazda's rear end is that overhang. It's almost a stationwagon rather than a 4-door hatchback. Hatchbacks are supposed to end right behind the rear fender (making them shorter than their 4-door sedan counterparts). On the Mazda, the roof agrees with me, but the bumper doesn't. It looks kind of ungainly. Mazda appears to have tried to disguise this using black rubber down low on the bumper, but it doesn't really help. The part that matters is the hatch itself.

Compare the 3 to the Focus. The overhangs aren't REALLY that much different in size, but the Mazda's looks enormous and contrasts poorly with the forward-reaching aft roofline.
On the Ford (and the Ferrari), it's the BODYWORK that does the leaning, not the glass (which shows that Ford understands Rule #17 from MoD's Cardinal Rules of Automobile Styling: Glass is for visibility, not styling. It is transparent and does not fill a sillhouette.). The end result is much racier and cleaner, and it doesn't leave the rest of the rear looking like it's quite literally just hanging out.
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As soon as you move forward of the C-pillar, though, the Mazda is a million times nicer-looking. These pictures illustrate just how great a feat the 3's proportions are. The front end of the Focus (itself a nice looking car) is a cluttered mash-up of elements. The Mazda is lowner, longer, and cleaner. The A-pillar, fender, shoulders, hood, and headlights are all cleanly separate, where the Ford's are all on top of each other. It has the styling finesse of a much larger car. It's very hard to fit that kind of detail on a small car without ending up with a mess. Mazda's designers are extremely talented.

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nissangirl74 wrote:We saw a Mazda 6 in person at the dealership today and I must say, I was very impressed. :yesnod Even though the 6 doesn't have near the HP my speed3 does, it is stunning. It's very comparable in all the hp / fuel mileage numbers to the Alti, the Accord, and the Camry - sometimes much better. And it looks amazing. If you lined the 4 of them up together, I don't understand why someone would pick any of the others.
Wow, even picked over an Altima , which features a mighty CVT and memory foam (oops, I mean "zero gravity") front seats?? :chuckle:

I'll have to check out the new 6. I haven't seen one in person yet.
I've seen one on the road in Newark while I was driving a rental '14 Ford Fusion. If memory serves, they are the same car, but with different styling. I was tempted to buy a Mondeo after my rental experience in the U.S. because I enjoyed everything from the looks to the performance to the comfort, and I think the Mazda6 looks vastly better.

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The Mazda CX-5, 6, and 3 are all entirely brand new cars, fresh from the ground up. There is zero connection to Ford in any of them.

That's not to say being connected to Ford was at all a negative. Ford's CD3 platform (previous Fusion/Milan/MKZ) was based heavily on the Mazda GG platform. The new CD4 (today's Fusion) is entirely Ford/Lincoln.

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Huh. The proportions of the Mazda6 I saw seemed identical to the Fusion I was driving. Maybe I wasn't close enough, but I thought they were still sharing a platform.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:The thing that bothers me most about the new 6 AND Fusion is that they've abandoned the infinitely superior double wishbone front suspension for everyman MacPherson struts. One of the things that made BOTH of those cars so great in the last generation was their handling and ride quality. Struts are worse at both things and exponentially worse when trying to combine the two.
This makes me sad to read.
MinisterofDOOM wrote:Compare the 3 to the Focus. The overhangs aren't REALLY that much different in size, but the Mazda's looks enormous and contrasts poorly with the forward-reaching aft roofline.

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As soon as you move forward of the C-pillar, though, the Mazda is a million times nicer-looking. These pictures illustrate just how great a feat the 3's proportions are. The front end of the Focus (itself a nice looking car) is a cluttered mash-up of elements. The Mazda is lowner, longer, and cleaner. The A-pillar, fender, shoulders, hood, and headlights are all cleanly separate, where the Ford's are all on top of each other. It has the styling finesse of a much larger car. It's very hard to fit that kind of detail on a small car without ending up with a mess. Mazda's designers are extremely talented.
I agree; the roofline I think is meant to appeal to people, like my wife, who oppose Hatchbacks on principle. She just hates them, and so do a number of people she knows. I don't have a problem with it - it's easier to imagine I'm in a rocketship with a shape like that.

But it reminds me of the regrettable second-generation Toyota Matrix. I'm looking forward to seeing the Sedan, but I imagine there will be things about it I don't like. For example, with the Focus, I almost love it, probably in much the same way that you almost love the 3-Hatch. Shift the A-Pillar back six inches and make the taillights more like its sedan counterpart, and I'd have sex with that car. In public. And while the Focus sedan fixes the taillight issue, it doesn't fix the A-Pillar issue.

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IBCoupe wrote:Huh. The proportions of the Mazda6 I saw seemed identical to the Fusion I was driving. Maybe I wasn't close enough, but I thought they were still sharing a platform.
What your thoughts about the new Fusion?

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nissangirl74 wrote:We saw a Mazda 6 in person at the dealership today and I must say, I was very impressed. :yesnod Even though the 6 doesn't have near the HP my speed3 does, it is stunning. It's very comparable in all the hp / fuel mileage numbers to the Alti, the Accord, and the Camry - sometimes much better. And it looks amazing. If you lined the 4 of them up together, I don't understand why someone would pick any of the others.
To top it off, the Mazda6 has AN AVAILABLE 6MT!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!1111!!11

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nissangirl74 wrote:We saw a Mazda 6 in person at the dealership today and I must say, I was very impressed. :yesnod Even though the 6 doesn't have near the HP my speed3 does, it is stunning. It's very comparable in all the hp / fuel mileage numbers to the Alti, the Accord, and the Camry - sometimes much better. And it looks amazing. If you lined the 4 of them up together, I don't understand why someone would pick any of the others.
To top it off, the Mazda6 has AN AVAILABLE 6MT!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!1111!!11
Actually its what comes standard... unless you want a fully loaded one cause then it isn't an option. You can also have it with any engine you want as long as its their 184hp 4 banger. The new Sentra is the same way.

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The dealership we went to had 20 of the 2014s. Only one was a manual. When the temp drops below "hotter than damnit" I'll go drive it and write up a review.

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Love, love, love Bex's '13 Speed3.

With that said, I love the '14 even more, and we've already agreed that as soon as the new Speed3 comes out, she's gonna swap hers (as long as they don't clobber us on the price).

As far as the sedans, I've read a few comparos of the Alty / Fusion / Accord / Mazda6 and the 6 clobbered them all handily.

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IBCoupe wrote:Huh. The proportions of the Mazda6 I saw seemed identical to the Fusion I was driving. Maybe I wasn't close enough, but I thought they were still sharing a platform.
What your thoughts about the new Fusion?
I liked it. It was business/personal travel to the U.S., so there were a lot of other people with me. I got to drive the car from Newark to New York City, and then from New York City to Hartford and back again. The trip went on to Atlantic City, but my boss was driving that car from then on.

The interior felt solid. The driver's seat was comfortable, and I heard no complaint from my or my boss's wives in the back. The engine was lively, and enjoyable, but the transmission seemed jerky at times, but I'm coming at it from driving with a CVT in my Altima Coupe and a CVT in our Honda Fit. The brakes were sensitive, but that might be just the difference between my right foot in a Chinese-made 2005 Honda Fit saloon and a 2014 American-designed(?) Ford Fusion. It was wonderfully quiet on the highway, and not bad on fuel, either - we got about 10l/100km (compared to our Fit's 7.3l/100km). Trunk space was adequate for four adults with one or two carry-on sized bags each. More than that, and you have to start getting creative with arrangement (my past job experience as a designer of submarine interiors came in handy here) to make it work.

I really like the RFID-activated lock buttons on the exterior door handles on my Altima Coupe, and I was pleased to find them on the Fusion, too. But they were weird - there's no tactile feedback. You touch it, and it works, but you can't tell it works unless you're listening for the door locks, watching the lights, or peering in the windows. There's no "click" behind the button because it doesn't look like a button - it's just some ridges on the handle. That would be fine by me, but that same problem continues inside the car. First thing you see when you look at the dashboard is the materials - it's got a high quality plastic finish, reminiscent of my Altima, but better than. The next thing you notice is the giant screen in the middle of the dashboard. It's the kind of screen that wants to be a touchscreen. But it's not. Instead, it's surrounded by an array of buttons, not all of which are clearly identified. And none of which are actual buttons.

You put your finger on it and it works, but it's like the door handle - there's no tactile "click." There's nothing to tell your finger to stop pushing. I found myself pushing harder than I probably needed to because I couldn't tell how much I needed to. It's the kind of thing I get used to if I own the car, but it's the kind of thing that really irks me when I don't.

I'd recommend it - it was roomy, quiet, and responsive. It was a little sporty, but less so than some more premium competitors. Frankly, though, I have found that it's a great alternative for those premium cars in almost every other department. If you're looking for a BMW 3-series, maybe it won't suit your fancy. But honestly, if you're looking at a Mercedes C-class, for example, I'd take a look at the new Fusion/Mondeo and see if maybe it doesn't have everything you want for much less.

If you're wondering, on the NYC-Atlantic City-Newark leg of our trip, I was supposed to have a Chevy Impala. But after seeing the Ford's trunk and seeing the luggage the six people brought with them to China, I decided we needed an SUV upgrade. Great news, said the lady at Avis, you can switch to one for free! Skeptical, I asked to see it. She presented me with a Jeep Patriot. It was parked next to a Ford Explorer, and I probably should have been less stingy and opted for that. From the outside, the Patriot looks deceivingly large, but roughly half of its interior space is eaten up by unnecessarily thick interior body paneling.

And it sucked a** on the highway - it was impotent, loud, and uncomfortable. At every opportunity, my wife opted to abandon me to the Jeep and ride in the Fusion. I get that Jeep people like that sort of thing, but car-renting people generally don't. I don't even know why they keep that in their fleet. It was a nightmare. Folding down part of the bench in the backseat got us the extra space we needed, but I was left wondering whether the Impala's trunk would have been adequate.


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