We've been seeing a lot of posts lately from people interested in KA-T about how much it costs to obtain so-and-so amount of horsepower. I was thinking about it and I wanted to try an idea that I think could turn out to be a good resource for a lot of people.
If everyone would, I'd like every current KA-T owner to post 2 numbers: their most recent peak horsepower number (at the wheels), and the amount that was spent to obtain that figure. To keep things universal, when calculating the total cost for yourself, please only include money that was spent on the engine itself, drivetrain (engine/transmission/driveshaft), and supporting mods (gauges, IC stuff, managment tools, exhaust, etc). Do NOT include extras like seats, rear ends, wheels/tires, suspension, etc. I realise that these are often necessary for KA-T cars, but those costs are easially added in later.
I'm going to post this on a few other forums as well, I'd like to get enough data to make up a scatterplot which hopefully we can see some sort of trend. It would definitely provide a definitive answer to those "how much $" questions, and I think it would really help people visualize what is really involved with these KA-T projects.
One more important point: ONLY REAL FIGURES FROM CURRENT OWNERS OF WORKING, DYNO'ed KA-T CARS will be considered! No "well I plan to spend this much and get this much power" posts please-- I'd like this to be as accurate as possible.
Let's see those numbers! I'll start with myself:
Horsepower: 430 rwhp$ Spent: $10,875
New idea for KA-T research, KA-T owners please participate!
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nissanfanatic
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Re: (nissanfanatic)
249.8whp
$2010.
We kinda already have a thread like this: zerothread?id=38554
Perhaps someone can send them a link to this thread so they can mention how much it cost.
Modified by crzycav86 at 2:58 PM 10/27/2005
$2010.
We kinda already have a thread like this: zerothread?id=38554
Perhaps someone can send them a link to this thread so they can mention how much it cost.
Modified by crzycav86 at 2:58 PM 10/27/2005
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Structure240sx
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I am on stock internals.
Power output at ten psi and 13 degrees of timing: 246rwhp (probably making more power as i now run 12 psi and 15 degrees of timing)
Cost: $2652The goal was to stay under 2 grand but the clutch and electronics did me in.
Forgot about track times:14.1 @103.9mph with a doodoo 60ft time of 2.39 ~ my first and most of second wont catch with the street tires made for rain and the stock diff..............its a 13 second car in my eyes
Modified by Jookmasta at 5:54 AM 10/29/2005
Power output at ten psi and 13 degrees of timing: 246rwhp (probably making more power as i now run 12 psi and 15 degrees of timing)
Cost: $2652The goal was to stay under 2 grand but the clutch and electronics did me in.
Forgot about track times:14.1 @103.9mph with a doodoo 60ft time of 2.39 ~ my first and most of second wont catch with the street tires made for rain and the stock diff..............its a 13 second car in my eyes
Modified by Jookmasta at 5:54 AM 10/29/2005
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scheffler
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Re: (Jookmasta)
whp 257 as of now,
cost $5000 give or take
cost $5000 give or take
Re: New idea for KA-T research, KA-T owners please participate! (fiznat)
under $1800
230rwhp 7psi
got to look for the deals or make them yourself.motor and trany=$337intercooler and pipe=$250injectors=$100 custom fuel rail=free. if you build it yourself.safc2 and wideband=$523turbo=freefuel system=$150Maifold=$100msd 6 btm=$240misc. =$100
Modified by nb07bcar at 1:06 PM 10/28/2005
230rwhp 7psi
got to look for the deals or make them yourself.motor and trany=$337intercooler and pipe=$250injectors=$100 custom fuel rail=free. if you build it yourself.safc2 and wideband=$523turbo=freefuel system=$150Maifold=$100msd 6 btm=$240misc. =$100
Modified by nb07bcar at 1:06 PM 10/28/2005
Re: New idea for KA-T research, KA-T owners please participate! (nb07bcar)
1993 240sx hatch donor car (complete) $350crower rods-$598ross custom pistons 8.3:1-$585engine rebuild-$320surface head, replace guides, 3 angle valve job-$220cometic head gasket-$85
so far $2158 just on engine build up for ka-t
so far $2158 just on engine build up for ka-t
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side waz
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Re: (fiznat)
Well sorry I'm not dynoed as yet however, based on what I've been told somewhere between 210-230rwhp.
As I'm sponsored this system did'nt cost me anything however here's a break down on the parts and it's in Canadian $ so just convert it. I'm also going to add in my fuel management because it's an important part of ANY ka-t set up.
SR T25 turbo - $225.00SSA Mani - $240.00Walboro Pump - $200.00SR 370 injectors - $100.00Megan Racing 3" D/P - $145.00"MR" FPR - $100.00SAFC - $200.00SR smic - $150.00GReddy Type S bov - $100.00and lets just ball park all the lines, fittings, gauges, plugs, wires and other items at around $350.00 ish.
Total = $1810.00 Canadian for a complete running ka-t @ 7psi
Hope this was usefull.
As I'm sponsored this system did'nt cost me anything however here's a break down on the parts and it's in Canadian $ so just convert it. I'm also going to add in my fuel management because it's an important part of ANY ka-t set up.
SR T25 turbo - $225.00SSA Mani - $240.00Walboro Pump - $200.00SR 370 injectors - $100.00Megan Racing 3" D/P - $145.00"MR" FPR - $100.00SAFC - $200.00SR smic - $150.00GReddy Type S bov - $100.00and lets just ball park all the lines, fittings, gauges, plugs, wires and other items at around $350.00 ish.
Total = $1810.00 Canadian for a complete running ka-t @ 7psi
Hope this was usefull.
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~300rwhp at 12psi...runs low-13s at ~110mph.
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Turbo (Garrett T3/T4, 57-trim), TiAL 35mm wastegate, DP flange, RevHard Manifold, SR 370cc Injectors, 1G DSM BOV, Autometer Phantom Gauges (AF+Boost), JGS oil lines and fittings, Mandrel Piping, Hose Couplers..._____________________________________________
All for $1,562, but add $100 for misc stuff like clamps, a brass "T" for the turbo inlet, RTV, vacuum hoses, etc...
So call it $1,662 ... non-intercooled setup, 224rwhp at 6psi.
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Then I added the intercooler (new) and 2 more pounds-o-boost:
GReddy VSPL intercooler kit, $800 ... and you have ~$2,500 TOTAL for 250rwhp @ 8psi.
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Then I upgraded the fuel to JWT, 50/lb.hr injectors, Cobra MAF, top feed rail...and upped the boost to 12psi.
*Used* JWT ECU and fuel setup, $600 ... and you now have $3,100 TOTAL for ~300rwhp @ 12psi.
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I already had an ACT clutch, and have since added a full 3" exhaust ($200)...
...and I did EVERY bit of work myself.
I also waited for deals, searched the web, etc...and saved a lot like that.
My fuel system, for example...new, was $1200 or so...but I found a DEAL.
Hope that helps.
- Brian
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Turbo (Garrett T3/T4, 57-trim), TiAL 35mm wastegate, DP flange, RevHard Manifold, SR 370cc Injectors, 1G DSM BOV, Autometer Phantom Gauges (AF+Boost), JGS oil lines and fittings, Mandrel Piping, Hose Couplers..._____________________________________________
All for $1,562, but add $100 for misc stuff like clamps, a brass "T" for the turbo inlet, RTV, vacuum hoses, etc...
So call it $1,662 ... non-intercooled setup, 224rwhp at 6psi.
...
Then I added the intercooler (new) and 2 more pounds-o-boost:
GReddy VSPL intercooler kit, $800 ... and you have ~$2,500 TOTAL for 250rwhp @ 8psi.
...
Then I upgraded the fuel to JWT, 50/lb.hr injectors, Cobra MAF, top feed rail...and upped the boost to 12psi.
*Used* JWT ECU and fuel setup, $600 ... and you now have $3,100 TOTAL for ~300rwhp @ 12psi.
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I already had an ACT clutch, and have since added a full 3" exhaust ($200)...
...and I did EVERY bit of work myself.
I also waited for deals, searched the web, etc...and saved a lot like that.
My fuel system, for example...new, was $1200 or so...but I found a DEAL.
Hope that helps.
- Brian
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Mustangs_Suck
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Re: (dsylvia)
This is the thread I cry in.
200rwhp
$15000 - including everything with price of car.
i guess as far as parts though, probably around $8000, and most of it do to labor.
200rwhp
$15000 - including everything with price of car.
i guess as far as parts though, probably around $8000, and most of it do to labor.
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Kenrik
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Re: (Mustangs_Suck)
We know the story.... perfect example of why to do it yourself....Mustangs_Suck wrote:This is the thread I cry in.
200rwhp
$15000 - including everything with price of car.
i guess as far as parts though, probably around $8000, and most of it do to labor.
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nissanfanatic
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We really should make sure that we list the turbo specs...ie trim and a/r.
On my set up...before the motor popped...279.66 @ 15.8 psi. Garrett T04B/T3 .60 A/R, H3 trim, sleeve bearing turbo. Stock bottom end. This was with a bad #4 cylinder and turbo oil seals that went a week later.
Before the incident I was at $3000. After the incident I have a new built bottom end now and t3/t04e. I am still breaking in the motor so no dyno data yet. A complete parts list can be found here...http://98s14inaz.onlineshowoff.com
On my set up...before the motor popped...279.66 @ 15.8 psi. Garrett T04B/T3 .60 A/R, H3 trim, sleeve bearing turbo. Stock bottom end. This was with a bad #4 cylinder and turbo oil seals that went a week later.
Before the incident I was at $3000. After the incident I have a new built bottom end now and t3/t04e. I am still breaking in the motor so no dyno data yet. A complete parts list can be found here...http://98s14inaz.onlineshowoff.com
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Mustangs_Suck
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Re: (Kenrik)
ya, labor was probably a good $4k of all that crap, sadly.Kenrik wrote:We know the story.... perfect example of why to do it yourself....
WELL here in canada it snows alot so its hard to find a good shell so i had to buy one damaged but rust free !!!1989 240sx hatch front end collision 1500$s13 silvia conversion 1000$ new rad support (free with conversion)150$ misc (argon , mig wire grinding /cuttingdisc etc) so 2650$
engine(egr buterflies carbon canister and other crap free) ka24e oem complete gasket set 100oem timing kit 100gladman performance manifold 275t3 off rb20det 150$ oil/feed return steel braided with those purple fittings (200$)turbonetics feed/return flanges+gaskets 70$460cc injectors rx7 100$(100 blueprint/rebuild)hks bov 150fmic 12x24x2.5 175$polished aluminum piping 2.75"(250$)(got ripped off supose to be ka24e custom kit , came as 6 90^ bends )walbro fuel pump 100$ boost graphix ebc (150$)megan racing boost/vac gage 75$oil pressure/ temp/voltmeter 3 gages in the pod 50$silicone cuplers (100$) metal zip ties 40$magnaflow muffler 50$ 3^ piping 60$ Mmisc piping 80$exhaust wrap 60$ reflective thermal foil 60$about 2590 $
vlsd 300$ megan strut bar 65$17^ gun metal rims with rubber 1000$misc stuff(fluids , clips , screws, liquid gasket , tool rental torq ranch: spring compressor etc spark plugs, new rotor /cap )350$ another 1700$
misc accesories hks shift noob 50$ nismo cone filter 50 $ ngk wires 50$ glow gages 50$ clear corners 50$ sholder pads 20$ 15^ sub adn amp 200$ turing obx spoiler 100$+=571$
wasted fund(home made ka24e manifold didn't fit right 120$ )13b turbo rebuild 100$ (sitting on my shelf, way too small for ka) t3 garret m10 100$(tried clocking it broke 1 bolt on housing , on my shelf as well)$2megan gages lost in mail 150$ broken drill bits etc other misc stuff all together 600$
on top of it all sleepless nights , lots of time during the summer in the garage almost everyday for few hours after work tons of time researching i did it ALL frame/body /mechanical !!!with help of few friends and beer with some good chiba
me ripping it without downpipe and hearing my bov the night it all went back together PRICELESS
thats all i can remaber all prices in canadian funds
i still need a new clutch will throw in with vlsd than need to drop in my walbro and 460cc and get my ecu tuned before i go dyno to see the resaults of this project . and of course car needs to be painted , but its about to snow here so i just might wait till next year so i can put a body kit on it first . if i find time to do clutch next weekend than i might dyno it last week of november
Modified by 180sx at 7:18 PM 10/29/2005
Modified by 180sx at 10:45 PM 10/29/2005
engine(egr buterflies carbon canister and other crap free) ka24e oem complete gasket set 100oem timing kit 100gladman performance manifold 275t3 off rb20det 150$ oil/feed return steel braided with those purple fittings (200$)turbonetics feed/return flanges+gaskets 70$460cc injectors rx7 100$(100 blueprint/rebuild)hks bov 150fmic 12x24x2.5 175$polished aluminum piping 2.75"(250$)(got ripped off supose to be ka24e custom kit , came as 6 90^ bends )walbro fuel pump 100$ boost graphix ebc (150$)megan racing boost/vac gage 75$oil pressure/ temp/voltmeter 3 gages in the pod 50$silicone cuplers (100$) metal zip ties 40$magnaflow muffler 50$ 3^ piping 60$ Mmisc piping 80$exhaust wrap 60$ reflective thermal foil 60$about 2590 $
vlsd 300$ megan strut bar 65$17^ gun metal rims with rubber 1000$misc stuff(fluids , clips , screws, liquid gasket , tool rental torq ranch: spring compressor etc spark plugs, new rotor /cap )350$ another 1700$
misc accesories hks shift noob 50$ nismo cone filter 50 $ ngk wires 50$ glow gages 50$ clear corners 50$ sholder pads 20$ 15^ sub adn amp 200$ turing obx spoiler 100$+=571$
wasted fund(home made ka24e manifold didn't fit right 120$ )13b turbo rebuild 100$ (sitting on my shelf, way too small for ka) t3 garret m10 100$(tried clocking it broke 1 bolt on housing , on my shelf as well)$2megan gages lost in mail 150$ broken drill bits etc other misc stuff all together 600$
on top of it all sleepless nights , lots of time during the summer in the garage almost everyday for few hours after work tons of time researching i did it ALL frame/body /mechanical !!!with help of few friends and beer with some good chiba
me ripping it without downpipe and hearing my bov the night it all went back together PRICELESS
thats all i can remaber all prices in canadian funds
i still need a new clutch will throw in with vlsd than need to drop in my walbro and 460cc and get my ecu tuned before i go dyno to see the resaults of this project . and of course car needs to be painted , but its about to snow here so i just might wait till next year so i can put a body kit on it first . if i find time to do clutch next weekend than i might dyno it last week of november
Modified by 180sx at 7:18 PM 10/29/2005
Modified by 180sx at 10:45 PM 10/29/2005