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IBCoupe wrote:
szh wrote:I see a lot of ugly sparring thru minimum Super Tuesday. And the longer it takes, the more uglier it'll get, which benefits the Democrats.
That's why they picked March 5th to allow States to go winner-take-all. Up until Super Tuesday, this year, the delegates will be appointed proportionally. Except for Florida: having already been penalized by the RNC for moving its primary up, it decided to go all the way and appoint its remaining delegates in winner-take-all fashion, making it probably the most decisive primary election before March.
Actually, that quote is from "Bubba1" ... not I, although I agree with it, fwiw. :)

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Whoops, my bad. Was typing with my glasses off, and didn't double-check.

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Yes I tried not to read TOO much into the SC results, but I see a definite anti-obamamedia narative forming, and forming with the people, where such a narative is much more dangerous to the media shielded candidate.

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Okay, two questions:

Who's the media-shielded candidate?
What suggests that there's a backlash against the media shield?

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IBCoupe wrote:Okay, two questions:

Who's the media-shielded candidate?
What suggests that there's a backlash against the media shield?
Ill assume the first was rhetorical.

As far as the backlash, it may prove to be more local to SC, but there was a definite backlash to the media's insistence on drudging through mundane topics when theres a nation at stake. For goodness sake, they've made a new term, being "John King"'d after the treatment he received.

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It wasn't rhetorical; over the past few months, I've heard numerous candidates held out as media darlings, among them President Obama (who, statistically has received the worst press of all those running for President) and Mitt Romney (who certainly hasn't gotten off easy). I want to know who it is you're referring to, and I want to know why it is you think they're "shielded" by the media.

The treatment who received? Newt Gingrich? A news story goes out the day of the debate, and Newt Gingrich is given an opportunity to respond, and he takes it as an opportunity to beat on the media. Good politics, but I'd hardly say he's being kept down by news sources.

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We could go into how the media never vetted the Bill Ayers, pressumed ghost writer of Obama's book, which centered around the marxist dreams of Papa Obama, and how his political career basically launched from "just some guy in the neighborhood"'s living room. Or how the media ignored the Chicago politics that got Obama into his 3 day Senate career. But that was last election, unfortunately those issues wont really work against this cycle. They should have played a much larger role last election, but the media had chosen their king. This time, we could go into how his signature legislation is embattled due to a lack of constitutionality, that is yet to be determined. We could go into his myriad of inconsistencies and broken promises. The media could spend a bit of time on Solendra, at least maybe half as much time as they did on Haliburton.

As far as the treatment I was referring to, it was the treatment John King received after leading off a national debate by dangling a pointless skeleton around. The people are sick of the media driving the narative. Ask substantive questions or GTFO.

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TMS - I thought Id try and clear up a few common misconceptions regarding Speaker Gingrich. This is not an effort to entice your vote for him, I dont even know if he has MY vote yet, but in fairness, history's lens has already begun to tint him a bit.

1. He was never convicted of ethics charges, the was brought up on them regarding a class he was teaching, which the IRS followed up by absolving him of these charges. Ethics charges are sortof like child molestation charges, even if you're acquitted, the damage is done.

2. He was fined $x for these charges. In fact he voluntarily paid investigation fees because he had unintentionally mislead investigators by submitting legal documents he had not reviewed. Still a mistake.

Again thats not intended to entice anyones vote, and I still have other problems with the man. For one, I dont know if anyone caught this, but he told Cape Canaviral yesterday that he will have a permanent moon base built by the end of this second term. Like thats even relevant when the economy is on the verge of collapse. He was pandering on that one. Im not keen on the way he's treated his family in the past, but thats not exactly relevant.

That said, he would decimate Ceaser Obamus in the national debates, that I would love to see. I dont know if that alone would achieve his victory though. I'm convinced he'd be a better president than Obama, but then again, I'm convinced just about anyone would.

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stebo0728 wrote:We could go into how the media never vetted the Bill Ayers, pressumed ghost writer of Obama's book
[citation needed]
stebo0728 wrote:...which centered around the marxist dreams of Papa Obama...
[citation needed]
stebo0728 wrote:Or how the media ignored the Chicago politics that got Obama into his 3 day Senate career.
[citation needed]
stebo0728 wrote:This time, we could go into how his signature legislation is embattled due to a lack of constitutionality, that is yet to be determined.
It's a lack of constitutionality, but it's yet to be determined? Nice, stebo. :facepalm:
stebo0728 wrote:We could go into his myriad of inconsistencies and broken promises.
Yeah, we've got that already. He's doing pretty well.
stebo0728 wrote:The media could spend a bit of time on Solendra, at least maybe half as much time as they did on Haliburton.
I think they've spent twice as much time as they did Haliburton.
stebo0728 wrote:As far as the treatment I was referring to, it was the treatment John King received after leading off a national debate by dangling a pointless skeleton around. The people are sick of the media driving the narative. Ask substantive questions or GTFO.
It was breaking news, Stebo, Jesus.

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IBCoupe wrote: [citation needed]

[citation needed]

[citation needed]
Ya because I can link you all the articles that were never written.
IBCoupe wrote: It's a lack of constitutionality, but it's yet to be determined? Nice, stebo. :facepalm:
I was reiterating my position on the matter. Is a dead person any less dead before they are pronounced dead?
IBCoupe wrote: It was breaking news, Stebo, Jesus.
Ya breaking news in that 15 year old affair sorta way right? And my larger point was that it was completely irrelavant, and the audience, with Newts guidance, called him on it.

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Speaking of Obamacare, and its upcoming SCOTUS battle, theres this:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/ ... care-suit/

Its looking more like maybe it'll be an 8 man ruling. Maybe she'll have to recuse, maybe she won't, but I hope enough time is given to the issue, so the proper determination can be made.

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stebo0728 wrote:Ya because I can link you all the articles that were never written.
So you're just making stuff up, then? That's what I thought.
stebo0728 wrote:I was reiterating my position on the matter. Is a dead person any less dead before they are pronounced dead?
You claimed it was embattled due to a lack of constitutionality. That's not the same as claiming, "I think it's unconstitutional." It's embattled because it's constitutionality is in dispute. Accuracy over inaccuracy, Stebo.
stebo0728 wrote:Ya breaking news in that 15 year old affair sorta way right? And my larger point was that it was completely irrelavant, and the audience, with Newts guidance, called him on it.
Breaking news in that on January 19th, the day of the debate in question, an interview was aired on Nightline (and throughout the day, prior to the show) with his ex-wife where she claimed that Gingrich ended the marriage when she wouldn't give his extramarital affair her blessing.

Had it been John Edwards, that debate audience wouldn't have thought it so irrelevant; they'd have cheered the question and boo'd the response.


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