New G50!?!?

[Rex]

I was reading random things on the www and came across some info that Infiniti may bring over a coupe labeled as a G50

I have heard that Infiniti is secretly waiting for IS-F and M3 to be release before revealing a secret model based on the G37 to steal Lexus and BMW thunder.

To ensure once and for all that Infiniti is taken more seriously as a performance company, they are planning a 3 stage knockout for the competition. Their strategy is very simple. Beat BMWs model per model for alot less money while offering more reliablity combined with exciting muscular designs. This move came from the minds of Toyota's head honcho. Rumor has it that the IS only existed to compensate for Infinti's failure to be a true BMW competitor. Now that Infiniti has finally found it's way back from the dead, it is a friendly reminder from Toyota of what Infiniti's original mission in life is. The fate of future IS remains clouded.

STAGE ONE:

By now y'all have already know G35 sedan is every bit as good if not better in driving dynamics than 328/335 sedan for ALOT less money. Mission accomplished.

STAGE TWO:

Y'all have also read Edmunds review of how the new G37 coupe trounces the 335 coupe. That's nothing new or shocking as I've always said G35 coupe was a much superior driving vehicle than the 3serie. It is a sports car after all and not a retuned luxury sedan/coupe. The current G35 will easily match or surpass the E46 M3 at the track while having less HP. As time goes by, more and more magazine tests will confirm Edmunds review to be spot on. I however think one magazine will give the nod to the 335. That mag is Car and Driver as those old farts are more into refinement. They will call it a performance shootout, but let the inferior performer win due to superior refinement.

STAGE THREE:

Since the GT-R has been designated to Nissan, Infiniti is left without a hallo car. This secret G will be that model. Rumor is that it will also sport a V8, Toyota has graciously agreed to finance a higher breathing performance oriented head built by Yamaha to be bolted onto the 4.5L used in the M45 in exchange for Nissan buying more hybrid technology. However displacement will been bumped up to 4.9Liter. The vehicle will be called the G50. It will be detuned to around 475hp and 380ft lb redlining close to 7500rpm and slowly crank up as competition closes in.

Suspension won't be that much different from G37coupe since Infiniti doesn't think M3 or IS-F suspension will be all that much better than their regular models. But due to the slightly heavier V8, some minor mods will be added to offset the weight difference. But unlike the IS-F, the new G has been designed from the getgo to except a V8(notice how the rear is shorter and the front longer), so vehicle balance and front end design is not compramised when the the bigger engine is dropped in.

The G50 will obviously come standard with wider wheels/tires, sport much more aggressive fender flares/bumpers and a lowered stance with stacked exhuast pipes(Toyotas request). But unlike the IS-F, G50 will have them stacked directly on top of each other rather than angled. Hood/side vents may also be needed.

G50 will be marketed to luxury buyers looking for some performance while GT-R will still be the uncompramised performance king that enthusiasts worldwide seek due to it's tunning potential.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Interesting.

A few things come to mind:

=That guy needs to learn how to type. Doesn't do much for your credibility to misspell "halo" and mistake "serie" as the singular of series.

=I have a hard time seeing a VK at 5 liters revving to 7500.

=Where are they getting 4.9? Last I knew, Nissan was already good to go with a new 5.0 liter VK. Why pick an oddball size for one car? Unless they're pulling a Y33 and calling a bunch of cars by the wrong number.

=Why on earth would Toyota have anything to do with it? Nissan has never had problems obtaining good performance engine parts before. Did Toyota make the VR? I think not. Why would Nissan need Toyota's help to get Yamaha's help to build a good VK? That makes NO sense whatsoever. The bit about hybrid tech makes it even more questionable, as Nissan has made their negative views of hybrids very clear. And last I checked, Nissan had said that they were unhappy with Toyota's hybrid technology and were backing off the Toyota-derived Altima Hybrid program in order to develop their own solutions.

=All in all, while it would be neat to see Infiniti smack the tar out of the M3 and particularly the IS-F (simply because I detest that car so very very much), I'd much rather see an M50 coupe than a G50 coupe.

[MattB]

The stacked exhaust pipes thing makes no sense...why would Toyota want Infiniti to duplicate a design that is supposed to make the IS-F stand out?

[konatown]

This would certainly be a wise move by Infiniti to start their own Sport division. Yamaha already sources the heads and/or complete motors for Lexus V8s so they have established some great motors.

And anyone arguing that a V8 or Twin-Turbo'ed V6 in an Infiniti model would detract from the GTR's sales is ludicrous. The GTR is being marketed as a pure sport fantasy car. A hyper G-model would be great for those that want a touch more luxury and comfort with their dose of speed.

I also hope that once they've established their Sport line they make a badass M45/56 sedan to rival the M5.

Then after Infiniti's established its name with $65,000+ sedans they then bring back a Q flagship model.

[Haitian_King]

Interesting.

A few things come to mind:

=That guy needs to learn how to type. Doesn't do much for your credibility to misspell "halo" and mistake "serie" as the singular of series.

=I have a hard time seeing a VK at 5 liters revving to 7500.

=Where are they getting 4.9? Last I knew, Nissan was already good to go with a new 5.0 liter VK. Why pick an oddball size for one car? Unless they're pulling a Y33 and calling a bunch of cars by the wrong number.

=Why on earth would Toyota have anything to do with it? Nissan has never had problems obtaining good performance engine parts before. Did Toyota make the VR? I think not. Why would Nissan need Toyota's help to get Yamaha's help to build a good VK? That makes NO sense whatsoever. The bit about hybrid tech makes it even more questionable, as Nissan has made their negative views of hybrids very clear. And last I checked, Nissan had said that they were unhappy with Toyota's hybrid technology and were backing off the Toyota-derived Altima Hybrid program in order to develop their own solutions.

=All in all, while it would be neat to see Infiniti smack the tar out of the M3 and particularly the IS-F (simply because I detest that car so very very much), I'd much rather see an M50 coupe than a G50 coupe.

Well said. Not to mention the fact that it'll confuse the holy hell out of people. Only those in the know refer to a 90-96 Q45 as a G50. I hear Porsche has a G50 chassis code as well.

I guess it was bound to happen. BMW has the M-Series and Mercedes-Benz has the AMG tuning division for their cars. I'd love to see a Q45 equivalent. You know? Wonder what they'd call it? Q45-S? (S for Sport?)

I hope that in 2010 Infiniti will release a new Q to commemorate the Q45's 20th Anniversary. I'd like to see a redesigned G50. Maybe the G51?

[StarPD]

A G50 would be a good answer to the M3, plus an M55 to beat the M5.Infiniti would be wise to establish a tuner division to compete with BMW's "M" (Motorsport) series and Merc's AMG series. Doing so would put them in the same atmosphere as the Germans and lend credence to their aspirations to "la creme de la creme".

Considering Nissan's expertise in racing engines, and that any Infiniti tuner version would be likely built by hand like the "M" BMWs and AMGs, 7500 RPM redline wouldn't be too hard to accomplish (with long life) by using Titanium rods and valves, beefy crank, and plently of main/rod bearing reinforcement. Later, a turbocharged or supercharged version wouldn't be unlikely.

Be prepared to pay for it though. Excellence doesn't come cheap. Even the superb 600+ HP 6 liter ZR1 Corvette is more than double the cost of a standard 'Vette.

[Haitian_King]

A G50 would be a good answer to the M3, plus an M55 to beat the M5.Infiniti would be wise to establish a tuner division to compete with BMW's "M" (Motorsport) series and Merc's AMG series. Doing so would put them in the same atmosphere as the Germans and lend credence to their aspirations to "la creme de la creme".

Considering Nissan's expertise in racing engines, and that any Infiniti tuner version would be likely built by hand like the "M" BMWs and AMGs, 7500 RPM redline wouldn't be too hard to accomplish (with long life) by using Titanium rods and valves, beefy crank, and plently of main/rod bearing reinforcement. Later, a turbocharged or supercharged version wouldn't be unlikely.

Be prepared to pay for it though. Excellence doesn't come cheap. Even the superb 600+ HP 6 liter ZR1 Corvette is more than double the cost of a standard 'Vette.

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A G50 and an M3 shouldn't be competing. The G50 was designed to directly compete with the 7-Series BMW and the S-Class Mercedes-Benz. Why would a flagship car compete with a compact? (Are M3's compacts? The M5 is a midsized right? Or is it a full sedan?)

But I do agree that an Infiniti tuning division should be established. Or even if it's tuned by NISMO, at least have a tuned version.

However, I'd like it to be along the same lines as AMG and the M-Series tuning branches. Subtle aesthetic details would be the differentiating factor between the standard and tuned models. A slightly more aggressive stance perhaps? An aero set-up that complements the lines as opposed to giving it a ricer look. Take AMG for example.

AMG tuned Benzes and M3/M5's offer that "sleeper" look as well as deliver serious performance. Sort of like how the G50 is. Nothing flashy and loud to draw attention, but if tested, commences to beat the opponent mercilessly.

Honda and Toyota tuner divisions don't seem to be focused on the higher-end luxury cars. I think Nissan/Infiniti should really take that leadership role. (That statement isn't entirely true. Toyota has been improving the Lexus lineup with more performance, but to have a tuned LS on the market is what would be really needed to compete with AMG. Or they could just limit it to using the IS to beat M3's and AMG tuned C-Classes. Mugen on the other hand doesn't seem to be at all interested.)

*Waits for a redesigned G50*

[konatown]

Wrong G50. StarPD is referring to the rumored G coupe with a 4.9/5.0L V8 as the G50.

[StarPD]

Wrong G50. StarPD is referring to the rumored G coupe with a 4.9/5.0L V8 as the G50.

That is correct.Thank you konatown.