New (disappointed) owner 08' Rogue

[salle071]

Hello all,
a few weeks ago I assumed a lease on a 2008 Rogue SL, leather package, 60,000km. Seemed as a good deal, came with winter tires, love the smart key, Bose, BT, body style. But, daily driving revealed severe and persistent knocking from engine, increasingly longer durations now that it is cold outside. Took it to Nissan; they are replacing "long block" under warranty. At 60k? That is unheard of. Fuel economy is dismal; it is burning 15.5L/100km, more than 2007 Suzuki XL7 it replaced, that had 3.6L V6. Dealer suggested injectors flush. I will wait until the engine is fixed. Perhaps it has effect on fuel economy. Oh and they said rotors are slightly warped, and rear shocks need replacement (slight knocking). That I can do myself. Needless to say I am very disappointed. Saving grace is that it is assumed lease for only 12 months and I hope it will drive OK once the replace the block. Has anyone had this issue? Thanks.

[kerrton]

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. I have not heard a single report of engine trouble in the NIssan Rogue in the almost 3 years of ownership and membership on this very active forum. I would speculate that the previous owner abused the vehicle, but of course there is no way to know for sure.

Also, I'm sure the poor fuel economy is due to the engine damage and you'll see improvement after repairs. I'm surprised that you are not getting a complete engine swap under warranty but I don't know the details of the problems.

As for the rear shocks, I find mine to be very noisy in cold winter temperatures but that has been the case since new and the noise has always disappeared when the weather warms up. But now you've got me thinking again.....if I have the same problem I'd like to get replacement parts under warranty before it expires on me this April...

[salle071]

Just got off the phone with dealership. They are still waiting for approval to order the long block. BUT this - they said poor power and performance may have been caused by defective TCM which is not covered by powertrain warranty (!!). Excuse me? It is the bloody part that RUNS the engine. Anyhow, of course I declined, there is no indication that TCM is defective, and the block will be replaced first, we go from there. They mentioned "slight" rotor warping (famous now on forums) and the rear shocks recommended replacement. Did I mention the car is 4000 kms and 11 days out of bumper to bumper warranty???? One must wonder....

[kerrton]

I would have thought the TCM would be covered by the 5 year powertrain warranty.....let us know how it works out or if we can help with information or in any other way.

[casperfun]

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. I have not heard a single report of engine trouble in the NIssan Rogue in the almost 3 years of ownership and membership on this very active forum. ...if I have the same problem I'd like to get replacement parts under warranty before it expires on me this April...

I respectfully beg to differ. I understand that the CVT is I guess the transmission. But under the layman's view, I would put that under the umbrella of "ENGINE". Yes the CVT has been a horror for some in here. Thank god I never had CVT problems.

[philipa_240sx]

Hello salle071,

You said you 'assumed the lease' so I presume you did not get it from a dealer but rather private sale?

Did you have the vehicle thoroughly checked over before purchasing?

Did you get any service records with the vehicle?

These are all common questions when buying/leasing used. Poor maintenance or lack thereof will damage a car more quickly than anything. You don't want to end up with someone elses headache.

[hammester]

I would double check with a different dealer, it seems like the TCM should be covered by the powertrain warranty.

[salle071]

Hello again, regarding TCM, I don't think there is an issue, they just want to sell the service, poor power is most likely because of the block. If there is lubrication issue, it will affect variable valve timing unit, in turn you get poor power, in my case until fully warmed up. I'll have them replace the block and see how it performs after that. If issues crop up I will be contacting Nissan corporate.

Oh, and yes, I had the car inspected by Nissan dealer in the city I took the lease (not my home town). I could not find this model locally. Those inspections are money grab, they don't pay attention, just walk around for general check if the wheels are going to fall off and brakes are able to stop the car.

[kerrton]

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. I have not heard a single report of engine trouble in the NIssan Rogue in the almost 3 years of ownership and membership on this very active forum. ...if I have the same problem I'd like to get replacement parts under warranty before it expires on me this April...

I respectfully beg to differ. I understand that the CVT is I guess the transmission. But under the layman's view, I would put that under the umbrella of "ENGINE". Yes the CVT has been a horror for some in here. Thank god I never had CVT problems.

For everyone's clarity and to avoid confusion, I have to stress that this thread is discussing a specific issue with the Rogue engine, and this is completely different and unrelated to any discussion regarding the CVT transmission. The engine and transmission are very different and seperate components.

[salle071]

Hello all,
well as of a week ago my Rogue has a new engine. Took them a day and half to install it. Good thing; the knocking is gone and there is more power and better fuel economy. Bad thing: they messed up the wheel alignment (or never bothered setting it right), and the a/c does not kick in (again, probably never recharged properly). So it is going back in again to fix secondary faults. Oh, and when I left the shop, TPMS light was on. So I checked the tires and they were at 40lbs (!). I set it down to about 33lbs (winter tires) where it used to be before. But the light is still on. They will fix that too. At least it is all warranty covered.

[casperfun]

For everyone's clarity and to avoid confusion, I have to stress that this thread is discussing a specific issue with the Rogue engine, and this is completely different and unrelated to any discussion regarding the CVT transmission. The engine and transmission are very different and seperate components.

But unfortunately if you asked the average soccer mom or your poor old grandma whose vehicle may have stopped moving because of a (transmission) problem, your 99.999999999999%
LIKELY to get........... Something is wrong with the engine and my car won't start or freaking move.

It's all semantics really.

[kerrton]

Sorry Casper, I still strongly disagree on this one. The engine and transmission are two completely different MAJOR mechanical systems of your vehicle, each composed of hundreds or even thousands of parts. If you don't know the difference in general terms between the major components of a car such as engine, transmission, tires, brakes, coolant system, steering and suspension that is scary and in my opinion all drivers should at least know this very BASIC information. I also believe that the majority of drivers do know the difference between these things. If someone didn't know the difference between the brakes, tires and wheels would you think that's acceptable? Of course not, this is very basic stuff and very easy to learn.

If you're referring to a more specific component of the the engine or trans for example, then I don't expect people to know about this, and calling it "a problem with the engine" is completely understandable.

The reason I am making a bit of an issue of it is because on this forum our goal is to share ideas, inform and educate each other so that we leave here with a little more knowledge than before we joined the forum. WIth the goal of knowledge I can't support the statement that %99.999 of people don't know what a car engine is, and I know for a fact that it's not true. One thing that really annoys me is people who don't want to learn basic concepts, and usually they have lots of "enablers" around them, who say "oh don't worry honey, I'll take care of the car and the "thingy" fixed for you". They make it ok for people to be ignorant of their car and that is just wrong.

I believe all car owners should be enabled with a basic knowledge and that is one of the goals of this forum, to help people not only gain basic knowledge but maybe even go beyond that. The last thing we want to do is "enable" people to be ignorant by saying things like "engine, transmission, whatever, it's all the same!!". This is a terrible statement to make on any car forum and especially on NICO where we strive for a certain level of quality - this type of statement just encourages car ignorance and that is the last thing we want to do on this forum!

[philipa_240sx]

[casperfun]

Let me put it this way. How many women are in these forums? The precentage is most likely lower than the men in here. Is that a bad thing, not necessarily. It's just that women might be interested in other things than cars. Am I justs talking about women? No

Is it that they don't care? No
Is it that they don't want to gain the knowledge? Who knows.
Is it a bad thing for every driver to not know how a car is made? No

I don't know about your mom, but my mom would not know the difference of any components in a car. Heck, people still can't program the time on a microwave still.

Of course the car fanatic to the everyday weekend mechanic would know the difference when I stated an opinion on an engine in here especially if your hovering around these forums in the first place.

Anyways, I'm not basing this just cuz of mom. But if I told her what a transmission was today, she probably know it. Will she remember it the next day? Probably not.
I can't speak for the rest of the population, but there are reasons why certain people are not in the car forums or oil forums.

Yah, I use the word engine as a generalization for the overall innards of a vehicle. But the way it was described that the Nissan Rogue engine in here never had problems in the three years in these forums just made it sound like it came from Nissan Headquarters or some shareholder, or owner of Nissan which I personally think was a dis-service. Technically, yes the engine was not a problem, but the statement would have more credibility in the forum if you mention the part of the population that had major problems with the CVT. Which I think can be construed as a major problem for people who experienced it. Like knowing if a Rogue customer had to change their CVT 3 or 4 times. Why else would Nissan extend the warranty to 10 years if it was a non-issue?

Yes, the engine is in fantastic shape but not mentioning a related problem that may cause the vehicle to function properly is not helpful. When I first bought the Rogue in 2009 I read a few articles on the CVT being bad, but I still purchased hoping the 2009 was already fixed. Still I read horror stories on the CVT to this day in this forum. Thank goodness I have no problem with it.

It's just that the forum, for new owners should know everything. If they should gain knowledge on the different parts, I concur. Just like if we say the Nissan engine is problem free for 3 years in this forum, a potential buyer of the Rogue should also know about the potential problems. It just sounded to fine and dandy to me thats all about the engine being problem free which is TECHNICALLY CORRECT.

But all those upset customers getting their CVT changed for a 2nd or third time ( thank you Nissan for 10 yr warranty ) I am sure they don't want to here that their engine is 100% problem free just like those Roguer's on Nico. I just want people in here to gain knowledge whether good or bad before they purchase which is why I like to rely on people's comments on stuff I might buy when I go online.

Am I trying to perpetuate ignorance, I hope not. In the same way I just don't want to sound Corporate or like a Nissan Commercial either where everything is warm and fuzzy. Yes we have a disapponted owner, and its good to bring their spirits up but I also like watching out for others who want to know both the good and the bad.

I don't know what is happening in the Toyota forums, but I would have an issue when if somebody said that there are no problems with their car and its a great buy. But I hope in the forum somebody would not sound Corporate and at least let people trying to learn about a Camry for instance that there is a underlying problem if people are experiencing it. People have died because of the so called unintended acceleration but Nissan to this day say nothing is wrong with their engine. Yes it may be the gas pedal or floor mats but people need to know the other things.

Didn't the SEC say Madoff's firm was problem free from 2001-2006? Perhaps certain departments but look at the big picture on what happened. Money lost bad! Vehicle stuck in shop is bad!

Even with the bad CVT comments online in a variety of forums, I still purchased a Nissan Rogue and happy.

[casperfun]

philipa_240sx was

He knew I was opinionated and knew what was coming.

[philipa_240sx]

You know where I stand... just keep it on topic!

[casperfun]

*inside joke*

Actually I was responding to a post in here. Just expressing an opinion on the discussion boards.

We all one happy family. To be able to agree to disagree if need be.

[kerrton]

Hey CasperFun,

Thanks for taking the time to share you opinions and have a discussion with me. Although I disagree with you I strongly encourage you to continue to share your opinions and also consider the point of view of everyone else, as you have been doing.

But Philipa240sx is right, we've gotten off topic so lets try to stick to the subject...sorry for my digressions SALLE071!!!

Getting back to your thread, that is great that you got a replacement for your defective engine, but a little disappointing that you have 3 additional items that need to be repaired. The good news is that it's all covered under warranty and after your next visit you should be driving basically a new vehicle!