NEW 94-95 VH45DE longblock

[AZhitman]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...86373

:drooling

[PalmerWMD]

Hmmmmmmm

Fred...(deep in thought)...

[AZhitman]

Those are the same thoughts I'm having.

I need a side job, that's ALL there is to it.

[sijoko]

I think I saw the same engine on E-bay about 4 weeks ago. The reserve was $1800. I don't think it sold.

My concern is about the damage to the engine. How did it happen?

Otherwise, the price is nice. Put some low compression pistons in it and force feed that sucker. We will call it a VH45DET or TT.

[elwesso]

i remember seeing that motor a few weeks back...... I wonder if it would take much to fix??

i wonder how much the crate motors cost new?

[AZhitman]

No damage to the engine - Damage is to the shipping panel, which I think is just a pressboard panel...

[elwesso]

Look at the second picture.... That doesnt look like a shipping panel..... It looks like some sort of passage (coolant maybe)...... but then again how much do i know??

[DAEDALUS]

You're correct. The casting is broken. Probably either rolled/dropped or something landed on it. Probably no severe damage done otherwise. Yeah, it's been listed before. I believe *someone* on these boards made an attempt to get a good deal on it, though at less than the reserve. Anyone care to guess who without cheating? Does anyone here besides me think it might not be a '94-95 engine?

[AZhitman]

Well, i KNOW who, so I won't guess.

Rob, what makes you think it's a non-94-5?

[jtesensky]

Hey thats a 60U00 oil filter on that thing!!! I think I'll place a bid just for that!

[jtesensky]

Seriously though, I don't think this person has any idea! That in a sand rail is a death wish (not to mention a waste)

[DAEDALUS]

Well, I've only seen one '94, so I might be wrong here, but the "CAS" on that thing looks nothing like the CAS on the '90-'93 models. Is it totally redesigned, or is that "thing" not a CAS at all? If no CAS then it's a '96 I believe. Hard to tell with so little detail, but I can't make out a connector.

Joe, I totally agree it would be a complete waste, but I have to give the guy credit for trying to market it to different people by changing the listing words used in his 1st two unsuccessful auctions.

[Q45tech]

Just estimated that it would take 12-15 hours to swap the things necessary to make this long block engine the same as an equal year take out engine plus lots [Thousands $] of new hoses and harnesses. Takes half the time to totally remove all the old parts clean for reuse and reinstall vs most things come with a donor complete engine.......just change the exhaust headers, water pump and go [chain guides on 90-93].What happens if knock sensors or fuel harness from old engine are not usuable and break on removal............another $700.

Strip the donor engine down, new gaskets exhaust and intake, all the little mounts, none of the hoses are safe to transplant..........add $$1,000-$1500 extra labor plus new parts [$1,000-$1500] to a replacement $3,000................say $6,000 plus what ever it cost to acquire and ship the engine to T3 and get the donor receipt car there.

I bid $851 last time .............it would be wonderful to start out fresh but most won't spent $6,000 much less $8,000.

Fred's car scares me with the Nitrous and all the other extras that must be rebuilt back on a different engine and the testing time to make sure everything is perfect.........if it were anybody else it would cost $10,000..........actually I would refuse the work as we have torn down one engine to long block status and rebuilt and reinstalled took a whole week spread over a month

Remember it is a 94-95 so difficult to change harnesses and ecu and other things to adapt to 90-93. Extra sensors and shielded wires must be run to from ecu inside car.

[Q45tech]

I'm sure the long block retailed for over $6,000, its the other $11,800 in retail parts you need to make it functional. Like $2000 in injectors rail and harness, and $2,600 in TB and plenum, exhaust manifolds with cats $2000, ignition coils, transistor packs harnesses $2,000, and as we saw $1000 in hoses, $500 in KS, etc etc.......mounting brackets....the list goes on.

Think how cheap a $1500 takeout is even if you have to replace things.

A whole complete engine probably cost the dealer $10,000......and the factory $8,500......and the public $17,000 or more.

[Q45tech]

Thinking as I go here, with $11,800 in retail parts to be swapped what are the chances that things break during the swap from a high mileage used engine. Isn't it offensive to put old parts on a new long block without cleaning them regasketing them to brand new...........can you trust an old injector, an old harness, any old hoses with such an investment, what about sensors, don't the valve covers need to be perfect.............spotless cleanliness required to get the 250,000 miles the new long block could go......then 2-3 years later the engine is used and at best worth $2000 when removed and resold.

Makes my head hurt.

[AZhitman]

Truth be told, and as much as I hate to say it, it makes more sense (financially) to gut the Infiniti drivetrain and replace with a built small block Chevy motor.

[maxnix]

Truth be told, and as much as I hate to say it, it makes more sense (financially) to gut the Infiniti drivetrain and replace with a built small block Chevy motor.

Then what about the transmission?

Better off just buying a Malibu.

[Q45tech]

But you cannot legally change the engine type on a 90 and later US car, the engine must have been the same make and model to comply with emissions. Some get away with it as the emission dyno doesn't care what's under the hood [some states require a look see] but by 1996 the computer must jive with the car.

It was a democratic plot to get older cars off the road faster.

[90Q45blue]

So Dennis, let's say in 6 years I want a brand-new engine, all components. Would $30k be enough? Would it be enough for a new suspension too?

Nick

[AZhitman]

But you cannot legally change the engine type on a 90 and later US car, the engine must have been the same make and model to comply with emissions. Some get away with it as the emission dyno doesn't care what's under the hood [some states require a look see] but by 1996 the computer must jive with the car.

AZ has visual inspections, but pulling the engine from a pre-96 Q and replacing with a domestic smallblock and transmission should fly no problem. As long as it is emissions-legal (all necessary crap) and passes the sniffer test.

Those enviro-Nazi retard bastards put my FRONT wheels on the dyno last time I took Quella for her bi-annual "rectal exam".

Anybody wanna help finance my ZR-1 --> Q45 swap?

[Q45tech]

Why not just drop a new 5.6 Q truck/transmission in, sure there will be a few wrecks when those come out. At least it would have the right engine family and logos.

The problem is a larger engine has more idle emissions grams per mile but you could get a waiver based on better LEV standards.Getting the exhaust cats to weld up is the challege so that OBD2 works.