needing a little insight.. Backfiring issue

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93300zx
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okay guys im new to this forum and new to nissans. i have owned and still own fords and toyotas that i build for off road trucks and street demons. i havent messed with anything nissan until i purchased this car 6 months ago. i am in love with this car. it has some problems but i got it for a hell of a deal and its a blast to drive. i wish i could say the same about working on it. it seems to love to bust knuckles and i honestly dont know how some of you guys actually take off the parts that i have read with out taking the entire engine out. i hate how cramped it is and so many wires. my 06 tacoma has maybe a third of the wires.. the car is my fun car to drive and has become my dd since my girlfriend drives my tacoma. im up at college and it hard to work on it with school and work so i have to have a good game plan before i want to work on it. the list of problems begins.....

when i bought the vehicle it had a stillen intake and catback exhaust already on it (love the way it sounds) well it ran fine except for a messed up injector. (thats what i was told). i swapped around the coils to make sure and sure enough i had come to the conclusion that it was an injector. well whenever u got it on the high way there was an annoying helicoptering sound from the exhaust because of the dead injector. well im no light footed driver so i was on my way home from school a week after i bought it and wanted to see what she would do. after my hard run thru all of the gears i could only manage to get 120mph out of her. pretty good cause i was running almost out of 5th. but after that the helicoptering stopped and she ran like a champ all the way home way more power. im guessing that the injector came back alive. i mean it ran amazing. the guy that sold it to me wanted to buy it back. it ran that way for about 2weeks then started back to the helicoptering so i figured the injector was out for good. i decided that i might as well fix the injectors. so i took it to a shop in charlotte.(not saying who unless u pm me and want to stay clear of them.) i really like the shop and he worked on nice vehicles so i was like ok ill do. i bought the injectors off line because they were way more affordable than what he was going to charge. he said that he couldnt warrenty the part just his labor. that was fine with me cause i understand that especially from a business stand point. well he did the work and i had my dad go pick up the car for me. the mechanic couldnt get it started and was pissed. so he keep on trying to start it turning the starter for minutes at the time. anybody knows thats not normal or good for a starter. so since its a manual my dad pushed it out of the guys shop and popped the clutch down a hill a couple of times to get it started. it was smoking like crazy and i just told my dad to drive it home and not rip the guys head of just yet. well i went home to get it and the car still was hard to crank and smelled like raw gas when started it idled normal ran like a bat out of hell, but it smoked the world up. so i was pissed and decided to take the plenum off myself and take a look. the mechanic had ripped every single upper and lower o-ring on each injector. it was flooding the engine so bad that i smelt gas on the dip stick. so i changed the oil asap to find gas pouring out with oil. not a good thing seeing as tho cylinder wash out was occuring and that will kill an older engine really fast. this is were it gets weird (atleast to me). i replaced all of the injector o-rings and put everything back together. the car was still a little hard to crank but not bad and the idle was eratic. ran like a champ once u got into the throttle and didnt smoke a bit. well i have been driving it just the way it is for the past 3months and it has grow worse. it now backfires like a massive 50 calliper rifle is shooting out the hatch :wtf2: . so bad that it blew pieces of my cats out the exhaust and cracked the exhaust before the cat. i was getting tired of driving it around like that and have ohmed everything that i know to do. vaccum is good fuel psi is normal all injectors are firing as well as coils the only thing the ecu is saying is running richon right side. the only thing i can think of is that another o-ring has ripped. but why know. so here is were it gets fun. i maxxed the tps sensor as far as it would go forward tightened it down and then went to the iacv and turned the philips head screw almost all of the way in. and unplugged the yellow connector. the car cranks better than it did and sometimes idles perfect but runs like a charm with only a backfire here or there. ive clean the iac new o2 censors. fuel pressure regulator and dampener. could it still be a leaking injector now. by the way its a 93 300zx VG30DE. thanks for the help and sorry about the story. more insight the better i always think


marty1mc
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When you changed the O-rings did you also replace the insulators on the fuel rail?
It is pretty common to mess those up on installation. I have seen experienced Z guys hose the insulators on the fuel rail and result with a vacuum leak. They should have been replaced when the orings were. Here is a link to what I am talking about.
http://www.z1motorsports.com/product_in ... ts_id=1885

Next, make sure you connectors are clean and free of corrosion. Then put everything back to normal and try it again.

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es.biggs
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I have new injectors on my car (PO replaced them about 1 year ago) and I used to get a gas smell from an obvious leak. I changed all the fuel lines on the car and it still leaked but I couldn't find it. When I tore my engine down this summer I found that those insulators were all torn up and falling apart. I wonder why would somebody ever do an injector job without replacing those, but anyways I ordered new ones and hope when my engine goes back in there will be no leaks!

93300zx
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the mechanic did say that he had changed the insulators out. dang i should have checked those seeing as tho he probly had messed those up to. would there be anything else that would cause such a crazy backfire to happen with only throwing rich on right side code, thanks for the help

Z32man
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Did u ever think about checking out the PTU or the CAS. I had problems with my ptu and it sounds familiar to ur problems. The ptu controls all the coils and can cause misfires. They are also know to go bad in these cars.

93300zx
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i was actually just about to ask that question. i called nissan and my wasnt a recall ptu. how would i check it. can i just ohm it or would i just need to replace and go from there?

Z32man
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well you are going to need to check which coils arent working by turning your car on and unpluging them and seeing if anything changes. then you should ohm it and see if those wires actually work and are getting power. if everything checks out, i guess just try a new ptu. dont buy used though. you want to get a new one so the same problem wont happen.

93300zx
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ok well i have had everything but the ptu checked and the cas ohmed. the weird thing is that i can unplug a coil and u cant tell a difference. and its not just a certain coil i can unplug each one at a time and nothing changes. ill check the CAS for corrosion and see if i can ohm it tomorrow. and ideas on were to get the new ptu from.

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es.biggs
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It would be a good idea to check the PTU and CAS. Both are a big part of the ignition system, and backfiring could indicate an ignition problem. Get your hands on a timing light and check the ignition timing, and adjust with the CAS is necessary.

PTU is $135 from Z1...not really something you want to buy just to see if it fixes it. Definitely do all the diagnostics you can before you start buying stuff so you can rule out as many things as you can.

Z32man
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what are all of the diagnostics?

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es.biggs
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The things we are discussing in this thread :confused:

Z32man
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ok those cant be the ONLY ones...

marty1mc
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Here, get a DVM and perform these tests...

Stalling when hot...
http://www.300zx.co.uk/cgi-bin/manual.c ... &total=190

PTU Harness test. (Look at the side for continuity tests as well)

http://www.300zx.co.uk/cgi-bin/manual.c ... &total=190

Power Transistor Unit test...

http://www.300zx.co.uk/cgi-bin/manual.c ... &total=190

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es.biggs
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If you get no spark in a cylinder, it could cause the fuel to leak down the walls right? Because it wouldn't be getting burned?

Might not even have anything to do with the injectors.

OP - also check for stored ECU fault codes: http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/nissan ... ostic.html
There is an easier way to pull codes by jumping two pins on a connector, but I can't find that article and I don't remember which pins or what connector it is!

93300zx
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im going to look into all of the things that were stated. i just dont understand why the computer is only reading rich on right side. the car runs like crap and its only going to get worse.

es.biggs were r u located in charlotte. i could drive it by next time im home and let u here it unload some rounds lol. my parents live in ballantyne

93300zx
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i will get some video together of how its runs and drives. like i said i have never been around another 300zx before and i dont even know whats normal.

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es.biggs
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Give me a call man I PM'd you my number....I'm in the east charlotte area...don't like getting detailed tho because there are too many theifs out there lol

anyone who steals cars ---- or steals anything...... :bigfu:

Z32man
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well im still also having similar problems. before i waste 200 bucks on a new ptu and connectors how can i tell if its the harness or not. i looked at the earlier post and dont really understand it. my problem is that it misfires only in the number 1 and 2 cylinders. both coil packs are fine. Sometimes while i drive it goes back to normal and then when i stop at a stop light it starts to misfire again. it is completely random it seems like.

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es.biggs
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There was a PTU recall made on early style PTUs. They are found on 90 and 91 models. Check to see if you have the new PTU. New is small and black, will have a bunch of wires around it (Nissan needed to make a subharness/adapter to use the new PTU on the old wiring harness). The old one is aluminum and it has a bunch of cooling fins (like you would see on an amplifier. If you search you will find pics.

I would definitely start by getting that recall done at a Nissan dealer if it hasn't been switched over.

Z32man
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Is it bad for the engine to drive with a misfire?


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