Need your suggestions for I high horsepower 240sx.

[r34 gtr]

Your cobra is stunning. Best of luck with the 240sx build! When you get started with it, you should definitely start a build thread so I can drool over it.

Don't mind the people bashing your plans, they are just jealous. 240sx general chat is not the most accepting forum in the world. There is a reason its called the "Thunderdome."

[cobra tom]

Your cobra is stunning. Best of luck with the 240sx build! When you get started with it, you should definitely start a build thread so I can drool over it.."

Thank you! I just installed some a4 corbeau's and did away with the pillar gauges. I now have the aem tru boost controller/boost gauge on the right,aem wideband on the column and fuel on the left.

I will start a thread when I start the build.

Anyone know what brand wheels these are?

[cobra tom]

Well I drove my buddies turbo marc's {Boost Logics Fabricator} 2jzge/r154 swap 86 300zx this weekend. Car has a single T67 with cams and modified na intake. When I drove it the car was on 275/17's true street radials. Car was on its e85 tune 605whp. Usually the car rides around on dr's. His waiting on his new ones so he just threw the street tires back on to go have some fun. Let me just say that thing is INSANE!!!! I did a 3rd gear low roll from 40 punch just to prepare myself for what would happen when it came under boost. The car came into boost at 70-75 and smoked the tires up to 100 where I lifted. It was wicked!Talking to him he says on his race gas tune 690whp his mt dr's 255/50r16's bite in pretty good but he is gonna go bigger. Yall may think I am crazy for trying to make 750whp in a 240sx. Im just a product of my environment. This guy just finished fabbing up BL's new compound boost setup. Using a 57mm to spool a gt4580 {80mm}. This car weighs 2860 with the driver and he is looking to clear 1000whp. He is selling the ge motor and doing a gte motor.

I also drove my friend {co-owner of Boost Logics}CJ's wife's 92 ka-t 240sx {282whp} with coilovers,strut braces and z32 tt brake upgrades and 350z front rotors. I enjoyed it alot. Car handled like it was on rails and stopped like nobodys business. Definately something different and fun! CJ's supra set the record for the fastest 6spd supra that was a full weight car{im talking ac/ps everything}. Car ran a 8.47@177. He just put a builted 2jzgte in his sc300 lexus doing the compound boost setup also. He also has a s2000 that makes 580whp among some of his other rides.

I also went to another friends shop {Protech} and checked out a car that was shipped in from cali to have a single turbo setup done. It was a 97 240sx with a 2jzgte auto swap {owner is handicap}. Very nice setup. Looked right at home. They are doing a gt42r and are looking to get 700whp threw the auto. They might convert it to th400.

Must be that saying everything is bigger in texas or crazier!!

I took some pics with my iphone the weekend when I was at the shop and will see if i can get them uploaded tonight and post them up.

Modified by cobra tom at 4:22 PM 2/23/2009

Modified by cobra tom at 4:29 PM 2/23/2009
Modified by cobra tom at 4:30 PM 2/23/2009

[cobra tom]

After doing some research I have decide it will be a S14 with a 6 point cage {swing out/removable door bars}. I want the nismo lmgt4 wheels 18x8.5/18x9.5 rear with a fat dr for day 2 day driving on e85. And I think Im gonna do a weld racing wheel outback with I havent decided yet but probably a 26X11.50 et street for high boost..

this is what im thinking..................Swap kit from 2 tech motorsportsJDM 2jzgtegarrett 4202 turbo {74mm w/ .81 ar}ebay header modified by my fab buddytial 44mm wastegatetial 50mm bov1200cc injectors272 hks cams with springsAEM ECUebay intercooler 31x12x43' pipe from turbo to intercooler4' pipe from intercooler to tbmodified stock intake with mustang 75mm tbR154 trans with rps clutch{x3} walbro 255's intanksaeromotive regulator90-95 z32tt diff w/ axlesspl aluminum subframe bushingsspl aluminum diff bushingsspl control arms z32 tt brakes front with 350z rotors up front and z32 in the rear

thoughts?


Modified by cobra tom at 4:32 PM 2/23/2009

[cobra tom]

here are some pics from my buddy's shop "BOOST LOGIC"

WORLD FASTEST FULL WEIGHT 6SPD SUPRA 8.47@17786 300ZX with NA-T 2JZGE/R154 SWAP92 KA-T 240SX---- If you look at the back of the pic you will see the fastest irs supra in the world7.7x@183FASTEST 6SPD SUPRA IN THE WORLD 7.91@188
Modified by cobra tom at 7:44 PM 2/23/2009

[kouki munster]

z32 tt diff won't fit without modification to the sub-frame, but if you just want the 3.69 ratio use the diff out of a 97-01 Q45, bolts right in with some j30 5 bolt axles.

[95silvia14]

drop the walbros for a single a1000 aeromotive pump

[S13_love]

I must admit this site is alittle different then other automotive sites. Most sites Im on people are very open to different ideas and the thought of someone trying to do some sick or powerful you get alot of people wanting to give you tips or tricks to help out. Here its like people are talking about my pockets,building skills,driving skills or trying to convince me that I need to...

Qftmft.

[SullivanRacing06]

Modified by SullivanRacing06 at 12:20 PM 2/26/2009

[SullivanRacing06]

yea, you might wanna skip the z32 rear end and buy a kaaz diff and dss axles,
Modified by SullivanRacing06 at 12:19 PM 2/26/2009

[nevertheless]

That orange 240 looks just like mine.

[cobra tom]

z32 tt diff won't fit without modification to the sub-frame, but if you just want the 3.69 ratio use the diff out of a 97-01 Q45, bolts right in with some j30 5 bolt axles.

Seems like according to this guy mods are required for a s13 not s14? How strong is the q45 diff? I know the z32 diff and axles have been proven to handle 1000whp in a 3600lb car. I want reliable.http://importnut.net/lsdswap.htm

drop the walbros for a single a1000 aeromotive pump

Is there a good place to mount the a1000 in a 240sx? thats not visable and annoying when its running?

Qftmft.

Sorry man I can understand paragraphs in abbreviations.

[S13_love]

Sorry man I can understand paragraphs in abbreviations.

Can or cant? If you can....good for you then? If can't, i meant to say "quoted for the mother f***** truth"

....sorry, its early and i cant think right now...ugh.

[cobra tom]

have fun wasting money, d bag, might know more then ya think

What are you...like 15?? sounds to me like someone feels threatened!!! someones afriad someone else might take the spotlight off his rb28 that he feels would rape the world!!!!! Look cxck nibbler I could careless what you think you know or how almighty you think you are. Or the fact some people one here may swing from you nxts giving you a god complex. You sound like those ignorant fxckers that come out to a parking lot talking alot of shxt and ends up doing a burnout loosing control resulting in smacking a light post with that just humped the neighbors cat look on your face. So why dont you beat you meat or finger fxck yourself to another thread with someone who is actually threatened by your childish stupidity.

Makes you wonder what domestic owners and imports guys have such a hard time getting along. Douchebaggery!!!

yea, you might wanna skip the z32 rear end and buy a kaaz diff and dss axles, or mite might know that already

And yes Im considering all options before buying parts. If used stock parts are just as strong but cheaper and I dont have to pay someone to setup the diff/gears then thats what I will do. You may be about wasting money. Im not.

[cobra tom]

LOL! sorry I was turbo typing!

[S13_love]

I wish i could turbo type...it takes me forever.

Oh and one more thing:

What are you...like 15?? sounds to me like someone feels threatened!!! someones afriad someone else might take the spotlight off his rb28 that he feels would rape the world!!!!!

[SullivanRacing06]

yea 15, that sounds correct, funny because ive broke 3 pass side cvs and one driver side cvs at 538whp, if you wanna make more hp (750) youll want to upgrade, it sucks to be doing highway pulls and have a axle brake on you,

r200 are shimmed, reinstall the shims how you took them out if you use the same gears, it works. (to install a kaaz or aftermarket chunk)

and if you want a low gear ratio get the rear and and cvs out of a q45 and switch your r200 cover from the s13 to the q45 cover, they have a 3.54 ration

welcome to nico

[RCA]

im researching the build right now and laying out a plan. Dont want to start a project without all the info.

I smell a dream.

Try researching the only thing that matters...The cost of making a car like the one your dreaming about is around $80k+ and in times like our economy is in now, I have to advise you to save your pennys

yea 15, that sounds correct, funny because ive broke 3 pass side cvs and one driver side cvs at 538whp, if you wanna make more hp (750) youll want to upgrade, it sucks to be doing highway pulls and have a axle brake on you,

r200 are shimmed, reinstall the shims how you took them out if you use the same gears, it works. (to install a kaaz or aftermarket chunk)

and if you want a low gear ratio get the rear and and cvs out of a q45 and switch your r200 cover from the s13 to the q45 cover, they have a 3.54 ration

welcome to nico

Also why does it seem Sullivan Racing wants to race every one?

[cobra tom]

yea 15, that sounds correct, funny because ive broke 3 pass side cvs and one driver side cvs at 538whp, if you wanna make more hp (750) youll want to upgrade, it sucks to be doing highway pulls and have a axle brake on you,

YEA 15, because you are giving me shxt about wasting money and you are tuning your car with a safc and trying to make big power instead of being patient and waiting for the right parts. Sounds alittle hypocritical or immature to me. Aside from the fact you are talking about spraying yours on top off your 538whp and giving me shxt for talking about making big numbers. Sounds like you are basicly doing the same thing I am only I will make the power on boost only! You are young based on the fact you are doing things half a** {ie safc tuning,breaking axles knowing their are better parts out there.}. Sounds like you are building a car you cant afford to do right and will probably hurt someone if you are not careful doing highway pulls and breaking parts.

What axles do you have that you are breaking? Are they the stock 240 axles that people making 350-400 keep breaking?

Only reason I suggested z32 tt diff and axles is because the 300zx guys swear they can handle 1000whp.

and if you want a low gear ratio get the rear and and cvs out of a q45 and switch your r200 cover from the s13 to the q45 cover, they have a 3.54 ration

Will it be different for a s14?

welcome to nico

thanks!!

[cobra tom]

I smell a dream.

Try researching the only thing that matters...The cost of making a car like the one your dreaming about is around $80k+ and in times like our economy is in now, I have to advise you to save your pennys

Let me clear up some matters. I will make 8k from my turbo cobra sale. Plus I will be relieving 700 a month in car payment/insurance. I will then add 300 a month to it and spend 1k a month on the car. Now right now this is what I have budget...Remember I am a very good shopper and Im very patient plus I have alot of friends in the supra and 300zx community along with the fact one of my best friends is a fabricator.

95-96 240sx good shape................... $2500-$3000jdm 2jz w/harness&auto trans...........$19002 tech swap kit...................................$15502 tech plug-n-play...............................$4502 tech rad...........................................$650convertor boxs {tach/speedo}..........$130r154 setup w/ clutch..........................$2200used aem...........................................$1000ebay manifold single turbo................$100tial 44mm...........................................$350tial 50mm bov....................................$150garrett 4202 74mm............................$1000ebay intercooler setup.......................$300272 hks cams/springs........................$10001200cc injectors.................................$450fuel system {pumps,lines}.................$600aem wideband....................................$250aem tru boost.....................................$260rear suspension {bushings&arms}.....$1000chrome moly 6 point cage...................$1400

------------------------------------------------------------- total at this point is..........................$17,240

even if the diff upgrade is................$2000wheels&tires...................................$3000brakes.............................................$1500

--------------------------------------------------------------Total..............................................$23,740minus..............................................-$8000-------------------------------------------------------------total.............................................$15,740

far far cry from 80k

Just priced a q45 diff with axles needed from my local junkyard and Im looking at $600 in parts.
Modified by cobra tom at 9:53 AM 2/24/2009

[kouki munster]

Seems like according to this guy mods are required for a s13 not s14? How strong is the q45 diff? I know the z32 diff and axles have been proven to handle 1000whp in a 3600lb car. I want reliable.http://importnut.net/lsdswap.htm

http://www.ka24development.com/vlsd.html

^That will tell you about using the Q diff. (I can't believe it took me 20 min to find that link.)

I don't know about the strength of the diffs but I assume it will be as strong as any rv200.

[RCA]

Let me clear up some matters. I will make 8k from my turbo cobra sale. Plus I will be relieving 700 a month in car payment/insurance. I will then add 300 a month to it and spend 1k a month on the car. Now right now this is what I have budget...Remember I am a very good shopper and Im very patient plus I have alot of friends in the supra and 300zx community along with the fact one of my best friends is a fabricator.

95-96 240sx good shape................... $2500-$3000jdm 2jz w/harness&auto trans...........$19002 tech swap kit...................................$15502 tech plug-n-play...............................$4502 tech rad...........................................$650convertor boxs {tach/speedo}..........$130r154 setup w/ clutch..........................$2200used aem...........................................$1000ebay manifold single turbo................$100tial 44mm...........................................$350tial 50mm bov....................................$150garrett 4202 74mm............................$1000ebay intercooler setup.......................$300272 hks cams/springs........................$10001200cc injectors.................................$450fuel system {pumps,lines}.................$600aem wideband....................................$250aem tru boost.....................................$260rear suspension {bushings&arms}.....$1000chrome moly 6 point cage...................$1400

------------------------------------------------------------- total at this point is..........................$17,240

even if the diff upgrade is................$2000wheels&tires...................................$3000brakes.............................................$1500

--------------------------------------------------------------Total..............................................$23,740minus..............................................-$8000-------------------------------------------------------------total.............................................$15,740

far far cry from 80k

Just priced a q45 diff with axles needed from my local junkyard and Im looking at $600 in parts.

I will make 8k: I hope you have a buyer that is willing to pay that for a turbo stang

ebay manifold single turbo: You plan on spending "25k" why buy a ebay mani. I have never heard anything good about them. Buy a full race mani, I also realize the space in a S14 is more limited then a Supra.

rear suspension {bushings&arms}: Um the front should also be upgraded. Like EVERY single suspention part as well as rear suspention and every suspention bushing. Also depending on what kind of power you plan on making you might want to look into a Skyline R33 rear subframe, inorder to use its diff housing and axles.q45 diff with axles : Again based on your HP/TQ levels you should be good with a S15 HLSD and aftermarket beefed up axles. Stay far away from Q45 stuff. This is a big budget project, so maybe a Quafie or Carbonetic LSD

ALSO you probably forgot the "Misc" catagory that probably makes up 1/4 or every project. And labor isnt free last time I checked. As well as tunning you ride, exhaust etc. This stuff will add up fast.

Also if you have fab buddies ask them to take tweak a SR20 radiator and remove the top inlet 5 inches toward the drivers side of the car, you should be able to save your self $300

Check out:Acidz: Project S14 2JZAsk him how much his project has costed him.

[SullivanRacing06]

the only reason im tuning with a safc is because i just dropped 1500 for level 5 dss axles and hubs, and 750.00 a kaaz 1.5 way, was going to buy a emanage ultimate or aem with that money but i thought the same thing do i want my car to break a axle doing a highway pull, thats why i invested the money in thee rear end.

your welcome

[SullivanRacing06]

i didnt say use the q45 fiff, just the ring and pinion off it, its a 3.54

[cobra tom]

Quote »I will make 8k: I hope you have a buyer that is willing to pay that for a turbo stang[/quote]You dont shop 2003-2004 cobras very much I assume. The average 2003-2004 turboed cobra sells for over 30k. Im gonna cut someone a sweet deal at 25k and make 8k profit.

Quote »ebay manifold single turbo: You plan on spending "25k" why buy a ebay mani. I have never heard anything good about them. Buy a full race mani, I also realize the space in a S14 is more limited then a Supra.[/quote]I suggested to my fab buddy about doing a race manifold be he stated that the ebay manifold was cheap and he could correct anything on it. that would be cheaper then a high dollar manifold. If I was going for 1000plus rwhp then definately spend the money on the race manifold but for what Im looking for its just a waste of money. I wont be able to get the car to hook up that kind of power plus its pass the limits of the parts im using.

Quote »rear suspension {bushings&arms}: Um the front should also be upgraded. Like EVERY single suspention part as well as rear suspention and every suspention bushing. Also depending on what kind of power you plan on making you might want to look into a Skyline R33 rear subframe, inorder to use its diff housing and axles.q45 diff with axles : Again based on your HP/TQ levels you should be good with a S15 HLSD and aftermarket beefed up axles. Stay far away from Q45 stuff. This is a big budget project, so maybe a Quafie or Carbonetic LSD[/quote] I was on fresh alloy and smracing in florida states the q45 diff is extremely strong and already has 30 spline axles.

Quote »ALSO you probably forgot the "Misc" catagory that probably makes up 1/4 or every project. And labor isnt free last time I checked. As well as tunning you ride, exhaust etc. This stuff will add up fast.[/quote]For me yes. I can do all the labor mechiancs wise and the welding is free to me. The tuning is also free because Im buying the ecu from the tuner.

Quote »Also if you have fab buddies ask them to take tweak a SR20 radiator and remove the top inlet 5 inches toward the drivers side of the car, you should be able to save your self $300[/quote]thanks for the info

[cobra tom]

Quote »the only reason im tuning with a safc[/quote]I understand the reason you are tuning with a safc!!! its called instant gradification. Instead of being patient and doing things the correct way you are doing things half a** or immature like alot the younger generation does. Im not hating on you because I did the same shxt when I was your age but I have build alot of cars and wasted alot of money in the past doing things half a** and it always ends up costing more money.

Quote »

is because i just dropped 1500 for level 5 dss axles and hubs, and 750.00 a kaaz 1.5 way, was going to buy a emanage ultimate or aem with that money but i thought the same thing do i want my car to break a axle doing a highway pull, thats why i invested the money in thee rear end. [/quote]Well i hope those axles and diff look good sitting in a parked blown up car.

Quote »

your welcome [/quote]NO your welcome!

[Shift_Alabama]

Hey man good luck with the build!

Sick Terminator setup!

That's really similar to what I want to do with my '96 GT. I love the intercooler setup, it looks so much more wicked with the horizontal bars on the intercooler. The HP kit I was looking at had the ghetto looking vertical bar intercooler...

[cobra tom]

Quote »Hey man good luck with the build!

Sick Terminator setup!

That's really similar to what I want to do with my '96 GT. I love the intercooler setup, it looks so much more wicked with the horizontal bars on the intercooler. The HP kit I was looking at had the ghetto looking vertical bar intercooler... [/quote] Thank you!! I researched it for about alittle over a year while being pullied and then kb'd. I based it off the Hellion Kit but did the upgrades that people have been doing to the kit here and there to pick up power. The orginal kit had a turbonetics T76 Q trim{rated 950hp} with a .81 ar and made around 700rwhp on 20psi. Adding a Precision PT76 {rated 1150hp} picked up on average 30-40whp at the same boost level. Also adding a .96 ar picked up another 15-20whp. Later people found out a 4'dp gained 46-48whp over the 3'dp and spooled faster. Some off the guys found that the stock intercooler was a restriction at 800whp 24x12x3. And going form the stock 2 1/2 intercooler piping to larger piping cooled the air charge allowing more timing resulting in more power. So when I built my kit I did a PT76 {1150hp},.96 ar,4'dp,3' intercooler piping and a 31x12x4 intercooler. Based on the gains others have made with the changes vs the stock hellion numbers it should easily make 70-80whp more then a base hellion kit at the same boost level. The hellion base kit made 847whp@24psi {race gas} 2 years ago and 660whp@16psi {93 pump}. I will not be turning the wick up on it. Im finishing it and having it tuned to 10-11psi. I also installed corbeau a4's about 3 weeks ago. Like I said someone will get a steal for 25k.

[Imissmyturbo]

You can save a bit of money by modding the s13 crossmember to make the 2jz bolt it. It's really easy to do. You can get a drive shaft made for 300-500 depending on how strong you want it.

[SullivanRacing06]

seeing that i retarted my cas 1 deg per lb of boost up to 14.7 and 1.5 deg paer lb after that using a timing light, i have a knock meter, wideband and pyrometer. car is solid.

prove me wrong.........