Need some help putting a build list together.

[TheKon]

Hello everyone. I like everyone else who has a 240sx am planning on running some impressive numbers on the dyno. Lemme explain what I have (or am going to buy the second I can afford it) and if anyone could help me out with anything I may be missing out. I am really hoping for 300whp...but if i'm at 250 I won't be too upset. Once I have established my credit I plan on pulling out a loan (for spring of '09) and hopefully be pushing around 600hp...but we'll deal with that later...for now this is my 300hp build. And yes I plan on sticking with stock turbo.....for now.

S13 SR20DET Timing Chain Kit (Bought the motor with broken timing guides don't ask)Code: S13-SR20TCKITPrice:$302.24Includes:SR20DET Timing ChainTiming Chain TensionerTensioner GasketUpper Chain GuideUpper Chain Guide BoltLower Chain GuideLower Chain Guide BoltCamshaft Oil SealFront Cover Oil RingWater Pump Assembly

CP Pistons Set SC732X for Nissan SR20DE/SR20DET EngineSale: $498.00Part #: CPPistons_SC73XXForged Aluminum87mm 9:1 compression ratio

Brian Crower Econo Series H-Beam Rods, SR20DE(T), 700 HPCode: BC-ROD-SR-HPrice: $349.00

ExhaustMR Type II 3 inch Cat-back Exhaust, 89-94 240SX, Black Ceramic Coated Piping and Oval Canister, DualCode: MR-EX-S13-T2-BPrice: $345.00 (or possibly just a complete custom 2.5 turbo back exhaust)

Megan Racing 3" SS Stainless Steel Downpipe SR20DET w/ Flex SectionSale: $119.95Part #: MeganRacing_SSDP

240SX Steel 1 piece Drive shaftPrice: $329.995lb less than the factory

Greddy FMIC that I'm buying off a friend too. custom 2.5" piping

Also is there a list anywhere how much horsepower stock components can take...like axles transmission..that sort of bit...oh btw I already have a stage 1 exedy clutch. But yeah...the guy thats helping me put my motor back together iis asking about all sorts of extra upgrades and he's concerned what the motor with stock head stock oil pump and all that ****...so yeah...if anyone can help..I'd really appreciate it.

Oh here's pictures...if anyone cares

[slik_s13]

i dont think you can make 300hp w/ stock t25.

[TheKon]

I keep hearing that from a lot of people...but I am raising compression and upping displacement...I don't think the stock turbo will hurt me that bad...but I could drop $600 and have it remanned into a "monster T28" by Deadbolt Enterprises. So thats my plan...worst case senario...I also plan on running a Greddy E-Manage ultimate so the car will be tuned...but like I said if I don't hit my goals...I'm not that upset about it....sorry if I don't seem so excited about this build. I really am...I'm just really not having fun with forums. Sometimes it's really hard to find someone with something useful to say...everyone on my local forums always has to add their irrelevant 2cents. Hopefully I can get some good info here
Modified by TheKon at 8:57 PM 10/12/2007

[S14-KOUKI-MONSTER]

Well you pretty much definately won't hit 300rwhp on the stock turbo and injectors. I wouldn't get it re-manned either, when you can find s15 gt28s for a few bucks more brand new.Honestly though, I think you're going about this a bit backwards. I'd recommend doing the top end first, if your goal is 300rwhp. The stock bottom ends are really strong, and will take that much power no problem. If you havn't bought the rods, and pistons yet, I'd highly recommend getting cams(with or without gears), valve springs, retainers etc. first. Then when you want to hit higher numbers, get the bottom end done, along with new turbo, injectors etc.

[DrifterProdigy85]

Dont forget Sleeves. Your gonna need them if your going 87mm. Also be sure that whoever puts the sleeves in knows what the hell there doing. It takes some special skills to punch out the block and insert sleeves. If your shooting for 600whp. Go with more like a I Beam Connecting Rod. I run Manley Turbo Tuff Rods. A step up from them would be Carillo Rods. A true build for HP gets quite expensive. Also your gonna want all ARP Hardware. Dont forget new Bearings. Not sure how good OEM Nissan Bearings are but Mazworx put ACL Callico Coated Race Bearings in mine. You may want to contact Mazworx to build yours.

[srdub-t]

does he need sleevs if he is only goin 87 mm?
Modified by srdub-t at 12:28 PM 10/13/2007

[DrifterProdigy85]

Yes in deed he does. Stock Pistons are 86mm. Can go 86.5mm with stock sleeves. Going to 87mm makes the stock sleeve too thin. Also wouldnt really trust stock sleeves at 600whp either. Its been done on stock sleeves but the question is how long would it really last. Like i said before, building a motor for power theres no cheap way to do it. I spent about $4500 on my block build and $2500 on my head build.

[srdub-t]

gotcha

[TheKon]

well I'm having machine work done by a reputable machine shot...the sleeve thing...is basically going to be a flip of a coin type deal. My machine shop explained to me that once they do the bore they'll know if I'll need sleeves or not...so I figure...I'm screwed either way...at this point I don't really care...as long as my bottom end is solid...I'm good...when I actually reach my 600hp goal the winter after that I'm going to once again take the car down and install a stroker kit...hello SR22DET also my port and polish work will be done by a friend of a friend...who basically designs race motors (anywhere from port and polish to designing stroker kits) for a living...should be fun. I'm basically just going to end up FedExing him my motor...and receiving a race engine in my mailbox (it's a 4cyl it should fit ) after several thousands of dollars of course. I'm going to upgrade my injectors (nowish) with http://www.deatschwerks.com injectors ...seems like good stuff...I was thinking about the 550cc or the 650cc with the walboro fuel pump...they're fairly priced. And then later I'll spend an arm and a leg on 1000cc injectors so I can run ethanol. With all the used parts I'm going to have I'm going to make one young aspiring tuner very very happy...but I like to give back. I basically stole this car from someone who loved it. I gave him $600 for the car with the SR20DET (some assembly required) basically had everything but the turbo...a friend of mine has a few T25's laying around and offered me one. So I was basically "given" this car. I always like to pay it forward. I could have dropped $1500 and had a reliable daily driver...but I decided to forge the lower end instead...besides my impala passes for a daily driver
Modified by TheKon at 11:26 AM 10/14/2007

[DrifterProdigy85]

I run Deatchwerk 740cc. There good to around 500whp i think. If your gonna go stroker, just do it now so you dont have to spend more money later. Make it cheaper by going Darton Sleeves, Bore to 90mm and Use CP 90mm Pistons. You can keep your stock length rods and have 2.2L. Cometic makes a 90mm HG.

[TheKon]

Can't do the stroker kit now...several things are in my way...one funds...two impatience....I honestly have no idea what it's like to drive a 240sx even though I own one...this is a severe problem hence why I'm not in a rush to achieve 600hp...I really want to just drive it first.

[DrifterProdigy85]

Could always pass on the stroker and just bore it out as much as possible. The only extra cost would be the new sleeves and machine work to go 90mm. Any chance do you ever go to York to cruise around? Im usually out there with my SR or RB saturday nights.

[TheKon]

90mm just sounds a little too aggressive...I've been there a few times over the summer...I plan on spending quite a bit of time down there when I get my baby running.

[DrifterProdigy85]

90mm isnt really. With the larger bore and retaining stock stroke, your able to rev higher safer than if you stroked the motor. The longer stroke puts alot of stress on the crankshaft at high revs. Could always get creative and Stroke and Bore the motor. Would be 2.35L. Brian Crower sells a kit i believe.

Youll have to let me know when your gonna be out. I can show you my RB or SR 240. Whichever i have out that night. AIM is KB240SR.

[TheKon]

definitely bro..hey do you ever come out to the carlisle pike?

[redtop91]

That build is tremendous overkill for 300. Of course you have 600 in mind later which is good, the only advice I can offer that hasn't already been covered is don't take out a loan for a car build. Not a smart decision as it's nothing but depreciating value coupled with compounding interest. Bad.

[TheKon]

Here's my point of view...this car is a toy...this toy will keep me sane and I plan on having quite a bit of fun with it. You never sell a "toy" no matter the initial cost. So yeah...I don't plan on selling the car...and if I do...I'll just part it out...I paid $600 for this car. If I just sell it in running order...I'm sure I could get a few thousand out of it.....but once again...thats not the point. If I can....I'll keep this thing until my hair is gray. Some grampa's have corvettes...I'll have something a little faster

[bgsr240]

Haha... I like the way you think.

[TheKon]

Finally a forum with members that don't have their head shoved so far up their anus they can actually see what I'm talking about : as for bgsr240 your sig says it all bro! That is pure excellence! haha

[Brock sr20det]

Hey I am currently buying parts to rebuild my sr20det bottom and top and was wondering if I could get a parts list from you...

[TheKon]

This build list is just very very very basic (it's in the first post)...once it's done...I'll have a complete list...I just hate talking and explaining about what I plan on doing...I'd rather like to say this is what I've done.

2008 Build List (Goal=Better/Stronger):ARP 204-4204 SR20DET Hardened 12 pt. Engine Head Studs Kit (rps Bolts)Sale: $114.95Part #: ARP_204-4204

S13 SR20DET Timing Chain KitCode: S13-SR20TCKITPrice:$302.24Includes:SR20DET Timing ChainTiming Chain TensionerTensioner GasketUpper Chain GuideUpper Chain Guide BoltLower Chain GuideLower Chain Guide BoltCamshaft Oil SealFront Cover Oil RingWater Pump Assembly

CP Pistons Set SC732X for Nissan SR20DE/SR20DET EngineSale: $498.00Part #: CPPistons_SC73XXForged Aluminum

Brian Crower Econo Series H-Beam Rods, SR20DE(T), 700 HPCode: BC-ROD-SR-HPrice: $349.00

ExhaustMR Type II 3 inch Cat-back Exhaust, 89-94 240SX, Black Ceramic Coated Piping and Oval Canister, DualCode: MR-EX-S13-T2-BPrice: $345.00

Megan Racing 3" SS Stainless Steel Downpipe SR20DET w/ Flex SectionSale: $119.95Part #: MeganRacing_SSDP

240SX Steel 1 piece Drive shaftPrice: $329.995lb less than the factory