Need some electrical help.HELP!!!!!!

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240mph
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Ok this is for my brothers 96' KA. The interior lights,meter lights,Parking lights,and tail lights are not working at all. Fuses are all excellent.All the bulbs are also good.What happened was that when he replaced some fuses everything was working perfectly.But later on that day everything just shut off.The car is driveable but the lights don't fuction properly.CAn anyone help me out with this problem.Thanks


NISTECH
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al those lights are on the same fuse. that fuse is labeled "TAIL" it might be located under the hood in the fuse box there.If not look in the drivers kicl panel fuse box. Check it its probably blown.

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No fuses are blown.

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Anyone find out yet.

NISTECH
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Find your tail fuse.Its the 4th one down on the right hand side [if looking straight at it] of the fuse box in the car. Have your lights on and wiggle the fuse see if the lights come on or at least flicker, you may have a poor connection in your fuse panel. Why did he replace all his fuses in the first place?

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Also when you say "interior lights" which interior lights are you reffering to? Dome lights?

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i have a 95 240sx base model with power windows, power locks, power sunroof, poewr mirrors........with this same problem. the car runs and drives fine but only the headlights, the blue light for high beams,the horn, and the clock in the cluster works.

first happened because i changed my cd player in the car. i bought a harness and attached the wires correctly (did not cut factory cd player harness) except for the dimmer to illumination. noticed i blew the tail lamp fuse and noticed that another fuse was like a 30 when the panel said like 7.5 i think, so i replaced it with the correct one.the parking and interior lights would not work, but the cd player would be lit up and work along with the clock light and the headlights....but the parking lights all worked when i would use the turn signal or brake. replaced the tail lamp fuse and disconnected the dimmer and taped it off and now it all works. im so happy.

go for a ride later and the cd player shuts off a few times...hmm somethings up. but everything still works good. park the car at a friends house to go get him to come for a ride, shut the car off and now the power locks dowt work. anyway i go get my friend hop in the car and now none of the power options work. the wipers dont work, none of the other interior lights work, side-markers dont work, turn signals dont work, brake lights dont work, none of the electrical (except for the engine/drivetrain) works. only headlights, the blue light for high beams, and the light for the clock in the cluster works.

i checked all fuses ( except the box ones, dunno bout those ) put oem cd player in, and even disconnect the battery for a few minutes, and the problem remains.

theres only 2 causes that i can think of, one being those box fuses. the other is that i didnt attach the antenna to the new head unit because i dont have an adapter yet and i forgot to tape it up for the time being so maybe that hit something and shorted it out....i dont know.

THANKS FOR ANY HELP I NEED THIS FIXED ASAP!!!

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Check your dimmer switch light bulb very common to burn that up when messing with the audio system. But first check ALL the fuses in both fuse boxs.

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well i checked all the fuses last night, but i dont know how to check the blue and gray boxes in the fuse boxes.

where is the dimmer light bulb? would that blowing make none of the gauges, wipers, power options, interior lights, and parking lights not work?

do you think i couldve caused this by not wrapping the antenna prongs, in tape, that plug into the oem cd player? i fixed the first problems of the parking lights and interior lights not working by replacing the fuse and taping up the dimmer wire. then later on in the night just all of a sudden none of the power options, gauges, etc., worked but the car still runs and drives fine.

THANKS

EDIT: ok those "boxes" i was referring to are the relays, you think i couldve blown the accesory relay and how would i be able to check it?

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well ok, today on the way to work everything came on a couple times, during driving. once i shut the car off, then it was all messed up again. this happened a couple times as i had to make a couple stops. on the way home nothing worked though, didnt even come on randomly.

when i shut the car off at home, i would turn the key to the on position and to the ACC position. when i turned to the on position i would hear a "click" from the lower right front of the interior, which is where the ecu is right? and when i turned it back to the ACC position id hear the came sort of "click" from the lower left fusebox.

i dont know, i hope its a relay but i think i shorted something out.

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The clicking is normal. it is just a relay engaging.

It sounds to me like you got something loose. Check all you battery connections, including both on the positive battery cable. Or you could have a loose ground. check to make sure all the ground lugs are clean and tight.

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dont mean to sound dumb, and i dont really understand the fsm i downloaded online, but do you mean all the spots that wires are connected to the chassis?

i would buy a fsm but i havent found one yet.

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primarily just the ones along your inner fender wells and the ones near you kick panles.

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well i only saw like one or so ground along the inner fender well, and i havent gotten into the kick panels yet, i may do that in the morning but if i dont find it then its going to goodyear tomorrow. driving my car to work is like sitting in a sauna (sp?) and not to mention i dont have brake lights or turn signals etc.

but i have an update now. i believe that the fuse that was higher (30) than what the stock says (7.5 i think) should be there for a reason. its in teh top left of the fuse box in the driver kick panel. well i put the 7.5 in today and well on the way back home from work the lights kept getting dimmer and dimmer, then right before i got home the car was jerking like trying to stall out when i would get to about 3k rpm or so, just a guess cause the gauges arent working and it wasnt at the same point everytime. i put the 30 fuse back in right after i got in the driveway and the lights were brighter.

you think it could be the altenator now since the jerking and lights were going dim?

are all the blue relays the same? if so couldnt i, in theory, take one of the others and put it in the ACC spot, which is the third one down right?

well i dont know im gonna take it to goodyear in the morning after i take the kick panels off and look for grounds.

THANKS again for all the help, you really should be getting paid or something for taking your time and helping people on here.

NISTECH
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Never install a fuse that is higher then the circuit is rated for. You risk the chance of over heating your wiring and starting an electrical fore in your car.

The grounds may be a little higher then the kick panels. once you get them off look up along the sheet metal for them.

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the 30 was in there when i bought it didnt even look at the fuse box untill i had this problem, but i switched it out with the 7.5...then put it back in after i shut the car off tonight after i pulled into the driveway, but ill stick the 7.5 in in the morning.

one question though, would a ground being loose, after all the other problems im having, cause the headlights to dim and the car to jerk like trying to stall?

NISTECH
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yes a ground could cause that. Btw if you were able to run a 7.5 amp fuse with out it blowing your circuit is likely ok. The fuse is mearly a wire. the size of the wire determines how many amps it can hold. If you exceed the fuses rating that wire will burn up. The conductivity of any fuse is the same regaurdless of its amp rating. Meaning changing between sizes wont make a circuit work any better. It was purley a coincedence that the lights got brighter or that the car ran better.

240sxHmooj
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TCU, TIMER CONTROL UNIT. SEE IF U CAN FIND A SCRAP ONE AND TRY THAT OUT...

Lsnaple
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i pulled off the driver kick panel and grounds were good.

i didnt want to have this problem until monday, so i took it to goodyear...i feel like suching a f'ing retard. one of the previous owners put a fuse in the middle of a line...first off no need for the fuse, second the fuse wasnt even high enough, so it just melted. anyway problems fixed.

i didnt even see the fuse...it was under the fuse box in the engine bay.

anyways thanks for the help.

drEameRvaJ
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Hey NISTECH.I see your the one answering these questions.I burnt my dashwire harness because I put a bigger fuse in the fuse slot titled "TAIL." I was wondering if it would have burnt my ECU or my main engine harness,which Im guessing it didn't.Well get back at me,my car has been dead for 6-7 months.I need a place to fix it or I need to get on it myself.HELP!!

NISTECH
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That depends on the extent of the damage or the burn. If the wires burned into the engine harness then it is possible. If the burn was only limited to the wire the fuse was on then probably not. I guess I dont need to tell you why you shouldnt put a higher amperage fuse then the circuits rated for huh.


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