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Post by **ihatemycar** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

:help ok i went to a friends birthday party, right? i'm a broke ***, so i didn't buy him anything, but i told him he could drive my car around in this parking lot nearby his house and do whatever the hell he wanted to it, as long as the car would still run when he was through. (its his 16th bday) so we get out to the parking lot (its about the size of half of a football field) and i tell him he can get happy with the throttle and cut the wheel if he wants. so he starts cutting donuts in first gear, gets close to redline, shifts to 2nd, uses up 2nd gear, grabs third, burns it for a sec, still has the wheel cut most of the way, and when the revs get to about 5k i think, there a rev limiter there i believe. i didnt think much of it, so we kept going, hitting the rev limiter in 3rd for about another 30 or 45 seconds. by the time we were done, we had smoked out the whole parking lot (it was empty) and the whole inside of the car was filled with smoke and we were choking:ylsuper

here's where the problems started

the car stalled, so i just figured he let off the clutch too soon and told him to crank it back up. he did, and the car held a rev for about 3 or 4 seconds, then died. i told him to try again with the gas pedal to the floor, and he did, but the revs didn't increase any when the gas was floored. so i told him to just let the car sit for a minute and cool off. after about 2 minutes, the cranked up just fine, but there was a new problem: it knocked like hell. i didn't think much of it, so i got in and drove back to his house. on the way back, whenever i floored it in first gear, it pulled about half as hard as usual, and the knocking sounded so bad, it almost sounded like vtec:( now when ever i crank it, it knocks really bad, and i haven't taken the revs past 2k, just in case. a guy told me it was rod knock, and i think it might be, because the noise is definitely coming from the bottom end.

now the info everyone needs: its a 1991 240sx coupe 5 speedstock, except a gutted cat and apex muffler189,000 miles:eek:

also, the transmission is gone. it wont go into reverse, no matter what, and just today after the donut incident, it'll go into fifth, but it wont catch. it'll just rev and never accelerate..

just changed the oil... put in 10w30 high milage stuff.. it started to rattle in the head a little bit, so i just figured the oil's too thin.

PLEASE i need quick advice on this and would appreciate any feedback. i know i know dont tell me. i was a dumbass for letting him rag out the car like that, i should know better.

i'll go ahead and thank any and all of the people that help me on this topic.

by the way, if anyone wants to donate a sr20 and trans, it would be greatly appreciated:D

:help

Post by **Fenvy** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

honestly it cost too much to repair both the transmission and the the engine. From how you described your problem, you probably don't know how to repair these problems... (maybe a few bend valves and bad syncro?) Just get an engine swap and beat the birthday boy with the old transmission and engine

**2nd warning... ** - Nismo_Freak

No need telling somone they are f-kd.

Post by **ihatemycar** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

yea dude thanks for the info and yea i am f u c k e d.

on totaljdm.com they got a sr20 with transmission, ecu, manifolds, harnesses, turbo, the whole sha-bang for $1500. (plus like 360 for shipping. is this a good price? i will have to save up for the whole summer to get that much, so would it be safe to drive the car to work with the motor and trans like that?

the thing that pisses me off is that i paid $1250 for it last sunday and i only got 250 miles out of it before it died on me.

i'm, thinking about just going to the local junkyard. a buddy of mine works there and he said that 4 240s the same year as mine just came in and they all have transmissions in them. it would run me about $60 for the trans.. what do you suggest for the motor? can't i just take out the spark plug and injector and rod and piston for the one cylinder that's messed up? i have not much of a clue as you can tell i am a newbie......

all i need is for the car to get me to work for a few months.. any suggestions to get the car running for about $500? i definitely wont be letting birthday boy drive it and more. and yea when the old trans comes out, i think i will beat him with it.

Post by **entity** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

Donuts in 3rd gear? Do you have super bald tires?

For future reference if you ever want to peel out or whatnot use the lowest gear possible. The higher gears aren't meant to deal with the stress of low speeds. Messin around like that is asking your transmission to take a crap on you ASAP.

Post by **90N240** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

180k... good thing u didnt run it to hard, oh wait u did donuts with it.

Post by **extheflow** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

ihatemycar wrote:yea dude thanks for the info and yea i am f u c k e d.

on totaljdm.com they got a sr20 with transmission, ecu, manifolds, harnesses, turbo, the whole sha-bang for $1500. (plus like 360 for shipping. is this a good price? i will have to save up for the whole summer to get that much, so would it be safe to drive the car to work with the motor and trans like that?

the thing that pisses me off is that i paid $1250 for it last sunday and i only got 250 miles out of it before it died on me.

i'm, thinking about just going to the local junkyard. a buddy of mine works there and he said that 4 240s the same year as mine just came in and they all have transmissions in them. it would run me about $60 for the trans.. what do you suggest for the motor? can't i just take out the spark plug and injector and rod and piston for the one cylinder that's messed up? i have not much of a clue as you can tell i am a newbie......

all i need is for the car to get me to work for a few months.. any suggestions to get the car running for about $500? i definitely wont be letting birthday boy drive it and more. and yea when the old trans comes out, i think i will beat him with it.

i'm gonna go out on a limb and here and say playing with internals is out of your league at this point in time. it would be easier for you to swap an SR in than replace the rotating assembly.

Post by **ihatemycar** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

well, i only got about 500 in the bank right now and all i can think of is to get a rod bearing kit, take to my mechanic, and pay the costs. the kit is 60 or 70, and then it will run better. yea, thanks for the advice. and yes the tires are very bald (now) but i got new tires in my room right now, so its all good. i just gotta get the damn thing an alignment .

yes working on a rotating assembly is quite far out of my league. i can change oil, spark plugs, do bolt ons such as exhaust and intake, and do brakes, and thats about where it ends.

oh yea i can pump gas too:D

Post by **yellow_jacket** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

Considering that you have been driving the car around the bearing is going to be spun and not repairable by just throwing in a set of new bearings.

Given your mechanical abilities I would say that your chance of getting this running for under $500 are slim to none. Your best shot is to find someone who did an sr swap and buy their motor and transmission from them for about $500 and swap it in(yourself if possible).

And NO you should not drive it with a rod knock. Unless you really want to throw a rod.

Post by **fiznat** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

damn man I'm suprised nobody has said it yet... but that was pretty stupid to let a kid who didnt know anything about cars to just lay into yours...

I dont let anyone drive my car unless I am REALLY REALLY convinced that they know what they're doing and wont be stupid with it. I donno, sounds like you coulda done this yourself at some point anyways, but damn-- you woulda been better off just buying him a damn $30 present, huh?

Anyways, yeah if you're really strapped for cash, I'd say just find another KA to use. The SR is of couse a nicer option, but it is certanly not cheaper at all, and it will open the door to a whole host of problems that I dont really think you're ready for.

Find a KA (and transmission), make the swap, and dont be stupid anymore.

Post by **Nathan** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

Agreed, dont bother rebuilding what you have, swap in a fresher junkyard motor and transmission and hope for the best. You should be able to get it done on 500 bucks, and you'll have more peace of mind if you get a lower mileage one. Get the junkyard to do some simple tests to it and try to get them to let you hear it run.

Post by **sycle** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

So let me get this right, you just paid $1250 for a car. You had driven it for 250 mile, not knowing if anything minor is wrong with if, and then let your friend run the he** out of it. While the engine has 180k on it, nice work.

Do like everyone else has said, dont dirve and try to get a engine and transmission from junk yard cheap. then pray that everything goes one scheadule and planned and you dont spend more then you wanted.

(Trust me, it is very fun working on a car with not much cushion[money] to back you) problems always arise

I would recommend pulling out the bicycle and start huffing it to work.Good luck with it though:icesangel

Post by **xyster** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

hmmm, sounds exactly like what happened to a friend of mine. He spun a main bearing and scored the crank. He worked at a garage at the time, and they quoted around $800 for parts alone.

Post by **Nismo31** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

90N240 wrote:180k... good thing u didnt run it to hard, oh wait u did donuts with it.

hahaha funniest thing ive ever heard..anyways why the f*** would u let someone beat the ever livin piss outta ur car like that. and then to drive it while it knocks..wow..ur a 240 killer

Post by **entity** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

You spent $1250 on the car, and now it'll cost you the at LEAST the $500 you had in savings to get it running at the level it began with. Is it really worth it?

I'd say use the $500 to buy a cheap, reliiable car(or bike). Then you at least have transportation and you can work & save up a few K for what you really want, an SR swap.

This will solve a few problems:

You won't have to drive your 240 now and make the problem potentially worse.

You'll have transportation when your 240 is getting the swap.

You'll actually end up with a superior car rather than just putting you back at the level you started.

You'll always have a backup mode of transportation.

Post by **ihatemycar** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

well, transportation to work wont be a problem , because i do construction and my boss picks me up at my house before we go to a jobsite.

as far as a second mode of transportation, i think i may do that, but i'd rather just sit on the money in the bank and swap an sr.

and to answer all of you yes i did drive it home but it was only about a mile and a half and i kept the revs under 1500 the whole way home.

i dont really want to swap BACK in another ka, but if thats what it comes down to, i will gladly do so.

i guess i will start saving up and come to a decision in august when i have around 3-4k to spend

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

Keep all your options open... the daily is the route I took and it worked out in the end for me.

Post by **SilviaS14KA24DE** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

or sell the car, and buy a new one. DONE! lol j/k.. well i'm not kidding if you like that idea

Post by **m_240sx** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:24 pm

actually, that last post may be a viable option for you. Sell the car cheap, to someone who may be able to afford the SR swap. Take that cash, combine it with your 5 bills, save up, get another 240, hell you said you only paid $1250 on it originally,

if you could get $800 for yours with a bad motor and transmission, you'd have $1300, think you could find another 240 for that much?

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