need advice on you s chassis guys sliding with rb's

[starkos14]

Hey, I'm in talks for a deal regarding me replacing my sr swap in my s14 with a rb26 swap. the deal is almost too good to pass up, however, I was curious if the new weight balance would hurt me while sliding. I know what i'm doing in terms of drifting, just curious if theres a big difference with weight transfer and such. Let me know if you guys have experience going from a sr to rb or the other way around and what you think about the comparison and the way the cars handle.

[Chukidori]

Well you are going to have a greater proportion of weight over the front axle...just keep that in mind. Its not gonna **** you up royally. If anything it will make the initial turn in better if you are on power or off brakes (in theory) because you will have more weight on the front wheels.

[Joe]

NO NO NO IT WILL NOT HURT THE HANDLING OF YOUR CAR

jesus christ how many times can this question honestly be asked.

[Ca_Silvia]

RB26's are expensive to drift with, they don't like hitting the rev limiter. I seriouly suggest you stay away from the 26 unless it is fully built. The 25 is cheaper on parts and very close in performance unless you are keeping the twins on the 26. IMO you should not keep the twins but do whatever you want its your car.

[sil_eightyRPS13]

NO

RB26's are expensive to drift with, they don't like hitting the rev limiter. I seriouly suggest you stay away from the 26 unless it is fully built. The 25 is cheaper on parts and very close in performance unless you are keeping the twins on the 26. IMO you should not keep the twins but do whatever you want its your car.

NO NO its is not...the RB26 is the best motor... the rb25 and its hydraulic lifters suck for high RPM...just make sure you get a custom oil collar made for the pump drive on the snout of the crank, and it will be all good...

[URAS]

NO NO NO IT WILL NOT HURT THE HANDLING OF YOUR CAR

jesus christ how many times can this question honestly be asked.

are you tripping? it makes a huge differrence, we do a bit of super lap in ours and it is chalk and cheese. The 26 fks up handling royally and required attention in many areas, spring rate, roll centre and dampening.

that said it can work quite well but dont ever expect it to work as well as a similar SR setup.... we build both variants alot ( see http://www.statustuning.com )

[Joe]

are you tripping? it makes a huge differrence, we do a bit of super lap in ours and it is chalk and cheese. The 26 fks up handling royally and required attention in many areas, spring rate, roll centre and dampening.

that said it can work quite well but dont ever expect it to work as well as a similar SR setup.... we build both variants alot ( see http://www.statustuning.com )

yes im tripping. i drifted a RB powered s chassis for years and have no first hand experience with weight balance....

he isnt a professional driver, nor will it ever probably be a professional car. re-engineering the entire suspension is not necessary to make it a fun/easy car to drift.

[URAS]

yes im tripping. i drifted a RB powered s chassis for years and have no first hand experience with weight balance....

he isnt a professional driver, nor will it ever probably be a professional car. re-engineering the entire suspension is not necessary to make it a fun/easy car to drift.

soo... what your saying is... that it makes a differrence but if your crap it doesnt matter cause its fun anyway......

[Joe]

soo... what your saying is... that it makes a differrence but if your crap it doesnt matter cause its fun anyway......

um no

what im saying is since this car isnt a professional car, and isnt going to be competing in it against 6 figure fully prepared cars, he doesnt need to worry about it. a full vs. empty tank of gas almost makes as much of a difference in balance as a RB swap. the handling difference is very minimal and im speaking from first hand experience also. i dont know what you did to your cars that make them handle so badly with a RB.

pick a car, pick an engine, drive it. many people drift RB s chassis successfully with off the shelf parts.

[URAS]

um no

what im saying is since this car isnt a professional car, and isnt going to be competing in it against 6 figure fully prepared cars, he doesnt need to worry about it. a full vs. empty tank of gas almost makes as much of a difference in balance as a RB swap. the handling difference is very minimal and im speaking from first hand experience also. i dont know what you did to your cars that make them handle so badly with a RB.

pick a car, pick an engine, drive it. many people drift RB s chassis successfully with off the shelf parts.

we do lots of quick sr's and Rb's (and 1's and 2'sJZ's)

http://www.statustuning.com/?section=gallery

ITS simple physics..... cant argue with physics....its not a just matter of more weight in the front it is the fact it is so far forward of the front axle centreline. AN SR WILL ALWAYS outhandle an equivalent RB powered car. The fuel tank story is crap and only tell half a story. To get a RB to handle as good as a well setup SR requires more work and more thought in picking your off the shelf parts (which is my point) spring rates need special attention.

dont get me wrong the RB swap is killer it just requires more thought.... not neccesarily more parts or money.

here is our 455rwhp RB26 powered S13 (now 560rwhp), we also have an rb powered S15.plenty of vids http://www.uras.com.au/democar.htm



plenty of vids http://www.uras.com.au/democar.htm
Modified by URAS at 11:30 PM 10/20/2008

[otto_3478s]

URAS--- While starkos14 may in fact be a capable driver, he most likely will not be competing with large well know drift teams with three, maybe four times, his budget. Therefore he need not to worry about how much the handling will be negatively affected, but rather, he should focus on getting the car ready for the track. As stated, people have used the S14/RB26 setup and have not had to drastically change their suspension.

More information on the ultimate goal for the car and to what degree the car will be used would also help aid the decision.

[Joe]

somebody else gets it, thank god.

regardless, URAS does make amazing things. are you sending the car/a driver to the red bull championships next month? ill be there for licensing.

[starkos14]

to be honest with you joe, I DO PLAN ON ATTENDING PROFESSIONAL COMPETITIONS in the near future. I've already put aside $25,000 just to figure out traveling expenses, I've lined up sponsors and I'm spending time figuring out whats left to get my car to pass any tech. I know I'm a good driver and I'm just looking to expand my fun. I really couldn't give a **** who wins a comp, I just like tandeming and playing on new courses, having spectators cheer, its a blast. I'm just trying to graduate college in the mean time until I can actually go out and do something I love, drift. In the middle of all this, I have a fcuked up sr and one too many headaches. I was curious what people had to say regarding the differences... obviously having a rb swapped car is not the end of the world for a drift car, they are everywhere and people slide them no problem. I was looking for specific differences and opinions and I'm happy with my responses except yours... don't assume everyone asks newb questions, especially someone who has been posting on this forum 11 years now.

[starkos14]

and i know it says ive been on since 05... newest name

[Joe]

well im sorry you arent happy with my responses, but lets just take a look at a fact here

there are 80-120 licensed professional drifters in the united states at any given time. yes, only about 100. total. all over the US. out of those a very select few are actually professional, and earn a living doing it.

so i may have ***-U-ME'd that you arent a professional, and probably wont ever be, and for that i apologize, but you have to understand that; 1) you arent a pro, 2) its very VERY hard to become one, 3) ive been moderating here for a long time, and have seen this question asked 1000 times.

NOW, down to business, if you want to discuss this seriously i will be more than happy to help.

what kind of chassis is this? S13? S14? R33? there is a HUGE difference in how a RB will affect each one.

and p.s. nico has only existed for 8 years, so you havent been here for 11.

also p.s.s. you may not care how you do in a competition, but your sponsors will. always remember that.

[URAS]

somebody else gets it, thank god.

regardless, URAS does make amazing things. are you sending the car/a driver to the red bull championships next month? ill be there for licensing.

would love to but our budget is stretched beyond its means already

a good friend is coming over in a green S14 (holford motors)

[starkos14]

hmm, i guess i was on 240sx.org first, before nico existed, then it was combined. that must have been what threw me off, i'm positive i was on there at least 10 years ago researching my r33 conversion that i'm now driving today. anyway

as for the car, im using my s14, r33 conversion body. yeah, the car has serious identity crisis with a sr in it... that must be why the sr's keep blowin on me, or just some serious bad luck. I'm really not cheaping out on anything, not bouncing off the rev limiter, i do take care of my engines, i guess im just getting bs motors. and this rb26 full swap is under $4k