Need a lot of help with my 1991 240sx a lot of questions

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DiscoStillSucks
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Car: 1991 Nissan 240sx
1998 Nissan Maxima
Location: St. Louis, Missouri

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So I just bought a 1991 240sx and I am having some serious problems that almost make me want to give up already, this is my first time on this forum so forgive my lack of how this works :frown:

The story of the car:
I bought it from a guy (we will call him Jack) and it was originally his buddies car (we will call him Billy). So Jack allowed Billy to live with him for sometime, all the while Billy owned this 240sx which was his daily driver. Billy began to do things to the car (will list mods i know of in another section). Well Billy had lived with Jack for sometime and he left the state, and left Jack with the car as a way of repaying his debt of living with him. So Jack had the car that he doesn't really know what all happened to it.

Mods I know of:
"Jack" told me that "Billy" had put high compression pistons in, there is clearly an MSD ignition system in the car, an AEM air intake, and some kind of full aftermarket exhaust (from block down)
Now for some reason Billy decided it would be a good idea to move the ignition from the key to a switch inside the ash holder behind the stick (start of problem #1)
Billy also thought it would be smart to hook up the turbo timer, an Turbo Retarder Dial thing, and all the while hooking it up REALLY janky (Problem #2)

Problem Diagnosis:
#1: The cheap plastic ignition switch snapped in half, of course after i bought the car, which it already had trouble starting (problem #3). Now, no matter what kind of switch i hook up to it, the starter will NOT even begin to turn on. So i took the console out and found that he decided to steal power from the cigarette lighter from one end, and then there is a little white wire that goes in the opposite direction. After VERY PAINFUL following of this wire, I found the wire going through the firewall and into some type of plug that connects to i dont even know what. and after messing around with many things, the starter still wont run

#2: The MSD ignition box is half useless. The specific one he got was made for a turboed car, which this one never was. So there are wires all around the pedals just dangling around, and they lead to the Retarding dial thing, and the turbo timer which i dont know if they work because we cant turn on the car to find out. Also, we found that a lot of the wires lead to nothing and there are A TON of loose ends of wire that connect to nothing all through out the engine bay.

#3: The car would run, and I actually drove it around the block before buying it (2 days ago) and it sounds fine, but has a terribly hard time starting and staying running at first. The car also doesn't seem to make as much power as it should (problem #4), especially with high-compression pistons. We did find out that 1 of the cells in the battery are bad, but even with a battery jumper/charger the car wouldnt start easy.

#4: I went to do a compression test (today) and this is when the starter switch decided to break, so i was unable to test the compression because the car wont turn over and we had got busy on trying to fix that.

Main questions:
What am i supposed to do with all these loose wires when some of the MSD box seems to actually be hooked up and other parts dont?
What should i do about the switch start set up? How do i change it back to the original?
Where can i buy more wires and learn how to wire it?
What should i do about the turbo timers and boost retarder dial that goes through the firewall and connects to the msd box?
Should i keep the msd box and how do i make sure what to do with it?
What do i do about the wrapped bundle wires that you cant see what is in it?
By the msd box one of the bundles of wires were unwrapped, and one of the wire's insulation is completely melted off, what should i do about it?

Misc:
The car also has a S-AFC II by Apexi hooked up and it works when the engine runs, how do I read and use this thing, or is it useless?
Why would there be all this turbo stuff on a high compression built engine?
There was also a random oil pressure gauge, not hooked up of course, shoved down in the engine bay,what am i supposed to do with it?!
I have so many questions and I know i went in definitely not as prepared as i thought i was. I almost need to find someone around me to help :facepalm: :facepalm:

Sorry for the overwhelming post, i just have no clue what to do with it after only 2 days of owning it. I am so overwhelmed by problems :wtf2:

I am in the St. Louis, Missouri area if that can even happen, thanks


DiscoStillSucks
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Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:26 pm
Car: 1991 Nissan 240sx
1998 Nissan Maxima
Location: St. Louis, Missouri

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Hopefully some pics can help *hood has been washed since these pics*

DragginUrCivic
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So the switch itself broke? Have you checked any relays or fuses ? If the harness is all cut up I would buy a whole new harness and replace it, or at the very least check around the ignition for cut wires. I'm assuming you do have a key correct?

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blkvrtswp
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Car: 93 240SX Convertible
SR20DET FP 20G Turbo
Location: Poughkeepsie, NY

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I would suggest going to Autozone or a similar store and buy another push button start and a fresh battery. If it was working before it will probably work again. Non-Ignition switches are not going to work.

Take every loose wire and tape it off so it can't short out. Use zip-ties to hold things out of the way.

S-AFC is a beast to use - more trouble than it is worth unless the engine won't run on stock ECU. Think about removing it - some wires will be interrupted for the S-AFC so you can't just cut them all. At least the MAFS wire will have to be reconnected together. Do them one at a time.

MSD system should work fine, no reason to not use it if it is working. Boost Retard is a timing adjustment to prevent detonation - also useful for high compression pistons if you do have them for the same reason. Perhaps he was planning to turbo the engine.

If you can't get it running, I would advise removing everything not stock and buying whatever used Nissan parts you need to replace them. 240SX stock engine parts are dirt cheap on eBay, Zilvia.com marketplace, try Classifieds here on NICO and especially Facebook groups in your region. Ignition coil and plug wires are going to be real cheap from partouts and blown engines. MAFS, ECU, distributor - all should not be much over $100-$200 total.

You have a lot of unknown electrical things going on so it is hard to give specific advice over the internet. Do you have a car friend who could help trouble shoot with a second pair of hands?

Anyway, I didn't want to leave your post hanging with no reply! Good luck and post back - I enjoy troubleshooting for some crazy reason.....

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^Good advice.


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