Need a little HONDA help!

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Hello,

Sorry everyone to make you read this, but I need a little HONDA help and I don't know of any good, informative boards like NICO for Honda. Can someone please point me in the right direction? My girlfriend insists that there isn't a single Nissan that she likes, so she wants to get a 98 Civic hatchback. I'm all for it I suppose, even though she turned down the help on a downpayment for an 04 Spec-V. I guess with some girls it really is all about the way a car looks!!

Anyway, we plan on lightly modifying the Civic, and by lightly I mean I will probably use my extra funds to swap a B18C5 into it and install some super-trick individual throttle body system. I can't stand to see her drive something slow, so smoking my S13 in her Civic will give me the motivation I need!!

Thanks a lot everyone.

[IvoryJ30t]

well, the individual throttle body idea is great if your trying to build a race car, but will compromise the low end torque [there is little to begin with] and drivablity will suffer.

if your gonna drop that kind of cash anyway, just turbo it. full kit, and push like 8 psi. [more or less]

[droptopsilvia]

right direction for what parts? I dont see a questionIf you're gonna drop in the gsr-block I can give you a list of mods that'll make it balls to the wall fast. Is that what you're looking for?

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Wow, that was fast!!

Sorry for the confusion!! I was specifically looking for a NICO style message board were everyone was really friendly and had good ideas and know-how! I'm not looking for the "bolt-on rice" board, if you know what I mean.

IvoryJ30t, I think that with proper tuning the ITB set up wouldn't be too bad on the street, but until I actually drive it, I can't say for sure. The turbo kit does sound appealing and I can't think of anything cooler than a pretty girl driving a clean car with a FMIC poking out the front!

[projects15drift]

Go check out http://www.honda-tech.com

[PROJECTRB240SX]

THERE IS ALOT YOU CAN DO TO A B18 FROM TWIN CHARGED TO ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE.

[projects15drift]

Hey if she is interested in getting a 98 hatchback a great swap for her would be a K20 swap. The K20 is from the RSX, but you can get the DC5(Integra Type R) aka JDM RSX Type R engine(RSX does not exits in Japan it is known an an integra or DC5) into it. There are a whole series of discussions about the new mounting kits for the 96-00 civic EK hatchbacks under the hybrid forum. All you need is the engine, harness, and a set of axles from the EP3(01+ civics). I believe it has 220 base NA horsepower, upgraded cams, and manifold. Believe it or not your girlfriend decided on a great platform, hatchbacks being the lightest out of the honda's other than the crx, plus now they have mount kits for the 92-00 civics. With I/H/E, and a turbo reaching 300hp is a lot easier.

[WongFeiHung]

Just do a LS B18 swap, easy, cheap, and it will be a quick little car...

[projects15drift]

I think if she was looking for the best bang for the buck, it would have to be the H22(Honda Prelude), all she would need is the engine(w harness) and a new axle. This would have her at 190hp with a USDM H22 and 200hp with a JDM H22. The engine is not much more than a B18B and makes about 50 hp more.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

NOT TRUE THEY HAVE B18S IN THE 200HP RANGE STOCK. I THINK THE JDM INTEGRA TYPE-R HAS 220 STOCK. ITS ACTUALLY A BETTER BUY THAN A H22 (WHICH HONESTLY IS MORE WORK THAN IT IS WORTH). NOW IF YOU WANT A SWAP..... NSX POWER, I HAVE SEEN THEM IN CIVICS, CRXS, ETC. ITS EXPENSIVE BUT IT WORKS.

[spec-u-later]

I'll sell you my mildly modded 02 red spec v for whatever my payoff is. It's quick. Seriously.

[WongFeiHung]

Why invest thousands more into a b18c or spend all the time/money on getting the H22a wiring/fabrication (nose heavy)?? Just get a B18 and turbo that sucker....

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Projects15,

Thank you very much for the link, that was just what I was looking for. I hate to discuss Hondas here, but I would like to thank everyone that chimed in on the subject. There really is a whole lot that can be done.........it's kind of a double edged sword really because with a 240, I pretty much know all of the good companies and what I can get whereas with a Civic.....there are hundreds and hundreds of companies and products that it will take a few months to plan everything out and budget accordingly.

Also, I didn't realize that people were already dropping K20's into EG / EK Civics. That really sounds like a great plan, but I think that the cost for a JDM Type R K20 might be the sticky point!!!

What about my car? When can I build a KA-T or do an SR swap? It looks like the Nissan is going on the back burner for now.......

[projects15drift]

The only B18's in the 200 hp range are the B18C5's aka Integra type R engines. Granted you can get 200hp out of the other B18's but that would require porting and a lot of engine work. for the original poster there are a few variants or the B18's(Integra engines)B18B - Integra LS ~140 hp i thinkB18C - Integra GSR ~170-180 hpB18C5 - Integra Type R USDM ~190 JDM version ~200-210

If she wanted a cheap engine and a turbo she should definitely go with the B18C, many people boost this engine.

For NA power and boost potential in the futureH22 - Prelude K20 - Relatively new swap since the mount kits came out recently. This will be the future of the Honda swaps since it is the newest of the Honda engines and most likely would have the lowest miles on them.

The NSX engine swap is out of the price range for most people one of the only companies to put them in is Signal Auto, then again they derived a RWD platform for the Civic hatchback they placed it in.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

I HAVE SEEN IT IN PERSON BEFORE IN CIVICS AND STUFF. ONE IN HAWAII WHERE I FROM AND ONE UP HERE IN AZ, PLUS ALL THOSE MAGAZINES THAT FEATURE THEM.

[projects15drift]

Oh man a civic hatchback with a NSX engine on a RWD platform is sweet as all hell. I have to agree. If it was only made affordable to the common Joe. I know that there are people out there that have it, a few guys on Honda-tech must have them, but it requires a heavy amount of work to cram it in the engine bay, then more work to change it to RWD, but if you have the time and money hellz yeah having 300 hp NA is sweet, and don't forget about the light weight base. Talk about power to weight ratio.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

WHY NOT LEAVE IT FWD? THATS THE STYLE OF ENGINE IT IS.

[SHIEF]

Haha...this is a funny thread. ITB's on a daily drivin car is not a good idea. If your not going turbo and want all motor H22 is the way. I've seen a 302hp all motor H22 ant a 285 all motor H22. There are higher hp ones but these didn't have $20,000 or anything like that in them. The best you'd get with a B18 is around 245 with countless amounts of wasted money in it. Saying the car would be NOSE-HEAVY is a joke. Jesus man get some clues, then talk. I took my crx, which had a jdm H22 in it auotcrossing, drag, open course, and had no problem with no suspension mods besides coilovers. Sure if I put a lighter motor in it I could have done a little better, but on the street you'd never know. (you can buy my motor if you want). Your welcome for what little knowledge I have.

[projects15drift]

The NSX design is RWD based, so it would require a RWD setup. If it was possible to make it FWD it would make it less costly, but to my knowledge it is not possible without custom modification..

[PROJECTRB240SX]

NO ITS A TRANSVERSE MOUNTED ENGINE PLACED IN THE REAR OF THE CAR.

[projects15drift]

I have to agree with Shief the H22 is not nose heavy by any means, if they are worried about weight distribution they can put the battery in the trunk.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

THE H22 IS NOT THAT MUCH HEAVIER THAN THE B18 SO THIS ARGUEMENT IS POINTLESS.

[projects15drift]

Lol I think we should let WongFeihung's comment about the H22 slide. Lol this is one of the more informative threads lately on this forum, lol funny that it is Honda inspired.

[Shnitz]

i have to agree with wong, price-wise, you can spend like $5000 on an integra type r engine, or you can get a base-model integra engine and turbocharge it (base integra engine comes without vtec, i dont know why exactly but a lot of experienced shop guys gave me a quick explanation of why an engine without vtec is better if you are going to turbocharge it). for the money, you will be spanking all of the jdm-tyte integra type r swap guys. if you want all-motor, i agree to go with the H22. note: i dont know very much about hondas, but i talked to a lot of shops and car club guys before deciding to get my s13, and this advice is what i was given 95% of the time from them, when my options for a car were basically between a civic or a 240. also, if she wants looks, then i guess this doesnt matter, but i was also recommended to get a 92-95 civic, since it is a better base to start from.

[Phax]

Hello,

What up?

Quote »...I'm all for it I suppose, even though she turned down the help on a downpayment for an 04 Spec-V. I guess with some girls it really is all about the way a car looks!!

... I mean I will probably use my extra funds to swap a B18C5 into it and install some super-trick individual throttle body system.[/quote]Bro, if she's not getting a Nissan, retract your support. Let her go off and do what she gotta do with her automotive future. YOUR money, can be put to much better use elsewhere.

When she wants to ride in a real car, make her beg you in exchange for favors later, and let her momentarily sit her *** in the passenger seat. A quick trip around the block, and then back to her Honda she goes.

Just make sure she gets a phat stereo system with at least 1500W and 2 12's in the trunk. Add those to the Bling-bling rims that all Civics deserve, and your woman can be a ghetto-fied, supah pimpette. :pimp:

Quote »Thanks a lot everyone. [/quote]You're welcome.

[Phax]

...base integra engine comes without vtec, i dont know why exactly but a lot of experienced shop guys gave me a quick explanation of why an engine without vtec is better if you are going to turbocharge it.

It makes it easier to tune. With a Honda engine at high RPMs, the last thing you want to contend with is a cam profile switch over at 8psi.

Quote »...i was also recommended to get a 92-95 civic, since it is a better base to start from.[/quote]Very true. The 92-95 were also OBDI cars, and therefore easier to legalize the swap. My sister had one for all of 8 months before it got stolen, and later found in Compton... being pushed down the street, with no seats in it, by two kids.

Whatever Civic the girlfriend gets though, it needs to have a chassis bar across the rear subframe. I've seen two or three hatches with those high mounted chassis support, and they grip WELL.

[Phax]

K20 - Relatively new swap since the mount kits came out recently. This will be the future of the Honda swaps since it is the newest of the Honda engines and most likely would have the lowest miles on them.

Mmmmm, 48 degrees of computer controlled, adjustable valve / cam profiling. :ylsuper

[Phax]

Projects15,

What about my car? When can I build a KA-T or do an SR swap? It looks like the Nissan is going on the back burner for now.......

Keep your car where it belongs, put her Civic out on the curb and keep yours in the driveway!!!

[Altiman94]

A good honda board is clubsi.com, very informative and alot of fast hondas on there.

[OneFastStanza]

Well, I would prolly also throw in the GSR motor just cause it is cheaper and very boostable. The B18C5 motors are sweet n/a motors but they are hella expensive. A H22A would be great also if you want to stay N/a.

A good Honda board that I frequent is Honda-Tech. It is more of a tech oriented than ClubSi IMO and a lot less of the attitude.