naturally aspirated

[RC]

I'm looking to build a naturally aspirated ka24de that can keep up with the average sr20 but I've been having a hard time finding a good fuel system and some internals. Anyone know of any links off the tops of their heads to some good sites?

[nzmoman]

forum.nicoclub.com

go to that sight and then search for information on your related topic...hint, you have already done the first step.

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[plainzwalker]

You can look into a megasquirt system. But I can't remember if thats for turbo only applications.

[nzmoman]

I'm looking to build a naturally aspirated ka24de that can keep up with the average sr20 but I've been having a hard time finding a good fuel system and some internals. Anyone know of any links off the tops of their heads to some good sites?

the average SR 20 that I run across is making about 210-225 at the wheels. That might prove a bit expensive. why dont you want to go turbo?

[RC]

just a goal of mine I'd like to achieve. i'd get really good props and I've always been taught the less moving parts in an engine, the more reliable it is (obvious). I'm sure I'll turbo my next project though just for the hands-on knowledge. as for that megasquirt system, that sounds perfect for me because I'm always wanting to learn more about everything on a car. budget is somewhat of an issue but I've been having good luck on hookups so hopefully i'll luck out some more. Thanks!

[thomasjamal]

the average SR 20 that I run across is making about 210-225 at the wheels. That might prove a bit expensive. why dont you want to go turbo?

Man, you're just becoming a flamer aren't you! This guy asked a specific question about a NA KA trying to get over 200 whp. This is not the ka vs kat thread. Please restrict uncalled for flaming to that thread.

[Logan76]

Ahh your correct about less moving parts = less parts that can be broke, but upping the compression and making your KA a high compression motor is just as dangerous as forced Induction, If you dont have proper tuning you can very easily blow your motor up, and I havent seen that many if any KA's close to 210hp , Not trying to rain on your parade, there also isnt much aftermarket support for the N/A KA, SOHC pistons run a higher compression I do belive and you can put them in your DOHC. hope I helped a little.

[DrifterBoy240]

i know arias, supertech, and a few other people make higher comp. pistom for the KA dual/single cam i dont know all the website names for them but you can find some at horsepowerfreaks.com thats where i found some nice stuff there they have head gaskets there that are .040 inch thick!!!! rods, bearings, you name it they got it.

[nzmoman]

Man, you're just becoming a flamer aren't you! This guy asked a specific question about a NA KA trying to get over 200 whp. This is not the ka vs kat thread. Please restrict uncalled for flaming to that thread.

interesting that this is posted after I offer friendly advice....I think you are flaming me.

[thomasjamal]

Go search + why not turbo = helpful advice?????

I don't think I'm feeling that equation.

[nzmoman]

you are really being an ***! Obviously you are the only person that thinks someone did something wrong to him. If you are looking ot build an NA car. there is no reason why I cannot ask why he doesnt want to turbo.

there is also no reason to tell him to not search as he may find setups that he prefers better. He may have thought a turbo setup would cost 10 grand, I dont know, but my questions are definately applicable. what crawled up your ***, that you become the defender of people who dont need defending?

[halnfl]

I think people get off thinking they have control over some beat to death thread. This debate has gone on before alot of people on here knew about 240's. much less turboing them. He's asking a question and someone is giving him advice. I think the guy should learn more about his car and what he has before attempting anything like an engine build or turbo. Plus budget fell into all this so he should think about doing things that help the car out, just not more go.

[nzmoman]

just a goal of mine I'd like to achieve. i'd get really good props and I've always been taught the less moving parts in an engine, the more reliable it is (obvious). I'm sure I'll turbo my next project though just for the hands-on knowledge. as for that megasquirt system, that sounds perfect for me because I'm always wanting to learn more about everything on a car. budget is somewhat of an issue but I've been having good luck on hookups so hopefully i'll luck out some more. Thanks!

Im am not too sure of the NA option keeping up with an average SR on pure speed and acceleration. there are so many advantages to the SR over the stock KA, but I do think if you are going to try top build a competative car, you could start with the handling and drivetrain first. Lightweight flywheel, clutch, rear end, maybe some coil overs for your specific type of racing. bushings, brakes. Adding those parts wont make you faster power wise, but with a good suspension tune you will be able to keep up with most of them on an autox track. most SR owners I come across get coilover, but fail miserably on tuning a suspension for their preferred type of racing. Adding camber plates and drift coilovers actually doesnt help you straightline acceleration because most of their spring ratios are stiffer and more tire angle decreases contact the contact patch.

If you are trying to learn more about the car I also recommend keeping the motor stock while you are learning. that will elliminate outside factors. Only go for exhaust and intake upgrades to start.

You have to be specific with what you do and make all your changes meaningful. You do this and it will balance out your chances. Expecially when you start adding power. And I apologize for the other junk that was going on within this thread. Good luck on your build

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[RC]

everybody on here has been helpful whether it's about turbos or not. saying something not EXACTLY on topic doesn't hurt. as for he last post, i agree with you completly and i have done an intake and exhaust upgrade and i rebuilt the engine myself a few months ago (I know about my car). I should have gone with stronger internals and such but i was on a very tight budget. i have plenty of time to save up money so budget isn't as much a factor as i mentioned before (my bad), but i think i'll take your advice on the non-power upgrades. i've always thought that way but once you're driving the car you kind of forget to keep a good pace on the build.

[wankelTII]

As far as fuel management, there is no replacement for a factory tuned fuel map, regaurdless of what people tell you it takes weeks and weeks worth of dyno time to get a car tuned as well as it comes from the factory. What would make your life easier is a way to modify your factory fuel maps w/o starting from scratch. Look into reflashing and/or e-manage ultimate or something similar.

Making that much power will still most definately require alot of time and work.