My first 240...

[gomer23]

Well after a loooong 5month search I found this beauty. Spent a little more than I planned but i am happy with it. I will be doing the RB20DET swap here, HOPEFULLY in the next couple months.



right now it has a rebuilt KA24E with about 10k miles. So at least I can drive it til I get all the cash together for the swap. Then I plan on lowering it, getting a LSD, drag radials, then some nice wheels. Then who knows from there.

[Yellow4g63]

good looking car.

[Andrew85cm]

Yeah looks like a real clean s13. Unlike mine. Mine was in pretty bad shape but it worked out in the end. I just painted mine silver actually liquid aluminum (350z silver). It looks pretty hot but I swapped out the pignose for a newer front bumper. She is looking pretty hot and feels nice and solid with the RB20det. Good luck on your swap you have a really nice begining with really low mileage. Welcome!~ANDREW~

[gomer23]

i guess i should have mentioned the body has 136k miles. But it has a few dings here and there and a couple tiny spots of rust but its expected from a 17 year old car in the midwest. And yes I cant wait to get the RB swap going. My last couple cars were a 90 full size blazer and a 89 ford ranger (4 cylinder) so even those this is the KA24E its still a little zippier than my previous cars haha. Not to mention the gas mileage kicksass. I live i averaged 29-30mpg cruising at 65ish on the way home haha.

[biglipzit]

It will be worth more to you to spend the extra and do an rb25det swap. The rb20det is a very nice engine but if you are looking for power and are willing to go through the trouble of an rb swap then go rb25. a 2 litre straight 6 doesnt justify itself much especially when an rb in an s13 should be something of awesome power. Just something for you to think about.

[SeVa-S13]

Yeah for real, RB20's are like mad slow, RB25 4 lyphe.

[Yellow4g63]

Yeah RB20 are weak sauce they always break pistons. RB25 is da way to go.

[NYCRB240sx]

that car looks in great shape for it's age...i know mine weren't looking that good, even with a few dings and some rust you got a great looking car...Rb20det vs rb25det....well worth the money to get the rb25det. your going to add more weight to your car so you might as well have more hp to go along with it

[tight240]

CLEAN!!!!!!!!!!!! that's all i have to say about that.

Now how did we go to bashing on people with sr20's to bashing on people with rb20's, we all in the same family now, we show a lil more respect the that.

[Pencil Shavings]

if you dont mind me asking, how much did you get that car for, looks super clean, the body is niiice

[Joe]

heres the order

RB25>SR20>RB20



if you are gonna go through all the hassle of a rb swap spend the money at least get an engine that is a better base. SR and RB20 are gonna make the same kind of power for the same money, but with the RB20 you have to deal with lack of parts and information.

[Yellow4g63]

heres the order

RB25>SR20>RB20



if you are gonna go through all the hassle of a rb swap spend the money at least get an engine that is a better base. SR and RB20 are gonna make the same kind of power for the same money, but with the RB20 you have to deal with lack of parts and information.

Well your chart is a little wrong. SR20>RB20>RB25. Both RB's are a pain in the *** to do. The 20 been not so much of a pain and easier to do. You don't need a drive shaft for that. Then go turn the boost up on your RB25 and see how long you last before you blow those crappy piston rings. You could build a faster SR20 for the price of a RB25 swap. Parts suck for both RB's. You can find gaskets for the SR20 at your local dealer without ordering them and waiting a few weeks to get.

[Joe]

Well your chart is a little wrong. SR20>RB20>RB25. Both RB's are a pain in the *** to do. The 20 been not so much of a pain and easier to do. You don't need a drive shaft for that. Then go turn the boost up on your RB25 and see how long you last before you blow those crappy piston rings. You could build a faster SR20 for the price of a RB25 swap. Parts suck for both RB's. You can find gaskets for the SR20 at your local dealer without ordering them and waiting a few weeks to get.

what the hell are you talking about? RB25's are totally reliable even up past 350whp. its done all the time.

in terms of the best engine the RB25 is better than the SR for power and ease of gaining power, a SR with the money from a RB25 swap wont put that much more power down unless you do the mckinney route and pay the godawful 1400$ for their mounts, wiring and driveshaft. my swap cost me under 4000$, whats the going rate for a S14 sr clip? 3000? if you are comparing the SR and RB20 the SR is definatley easier to get parts and information for. thats where my chart came from.

[biglipzit]

I think Kamin's chart is pretty accurate. That is the way it should go. A good RB25 would make crazy power easily on most stock parts.

[eh?]

Well your chart is a little wrong. SR20>RB20>RB25. Both RB's are a pain in the *** to do. The 20 been not so much of a pain and easier to do. You don't need a drive shaft for that. Then go turn the boost up on your RB25 and see how long you last before you blow those crappy piston rings.

Your info is a little misguided. IF you research almost all RB25's with cracked ring lands you will see it's due to poor or no tuning. If you really think the RB25's is so weak why are we seeing them push near 600rwhp with stock blocks? (RBtally 585, Fito 587(?), JMS 601)It's proven that the stock ecu goes crazy with increased boost, a piggy back won't cut it.

[Yellow4g63]

what the hell are you talking about? RB25's are totally reliable even up past 350whp. its done all the time.

in terms of the best engine the RB25 is better than the SR for power and ease of gaining power, a SR with the money from a RB25 swap wont put that much more power down unless you do the mckinney route and pay the godawful 1400$ for their mounts, wiring and driveshaft. my swap cost me under 4000$, whats the going rate for a S14 sr clip? 3000? if you are comparing the SR and RB20 the SR is definatley easier to get parts and information for. thats where my chart came from.

S13 blktop motorset can be had for $2400 (Same guy I got my motorset from) SR is way easier and cheaper than a RB25 or RB20 to get parts for. Name it and it will be cheaper and you will find it like that. The Idea that the RB rules all is just insane. It's a good motor but if you really want to save your self the hassle you would go with the SR20.

[Yellow4g63]

Your info is a little misguided. IF you research almost all RB25's with cracked ring lands you will see it's due to poor or no tuning. If you really think the RB25's is so weak why are we seeing them push near 600rwhp with stock blocks? (RBtally 585, Fito 587(?), JMS 601)It's proven that the stock ecu goes crazy with increased boost, a piggy back won't cut it.

The cars that blow them aren't tuned, There running factory computer and a little more boost. The fact remains that the ring glans are higher up on the piston on the Rb25 vs the RB20 or 26. I think it was for emissions or something. I have raced my friends RB25 240 vs my RB20 240, The outcome wasn't "DAMN I should have bought a RB25 240 he smoked me bad!" It was a little faster than my Rb20 but nothing to go preach that the RB25 is gods Chariot motor. Any good motor with a good engine management system and a good tuner will make hp. There were a few SR's making close to 600hp and I think there was even one that made 600 on the stock block? Now whats the point? a smaller 4 cylinderl motor made the same as a bigger 6 cylinder motor??? The one good thing about the internet is that there alot of experts on there.

[Joe]

S13 blktop motorset can be had for $2400 (Same guy I got my motorset from) SR is way easier and cheaper than a RB25 or RB20 to get parts for. Name it and it will be cheaper and you will find it like that. The Idea that the RB rules all is just insane. It's a good motor but if you really want to save your self the hassle you would go with the SR20.

i said S14, not s13 blacktop.

im not debating the fact a SR is a cheaper, smarter or easier swap. my whole deal was is if you are going to do a RB swap and have to deal with everything that comes along with it at least get an engine thats better suited for big power. why make more headaches for yourself if you could have gotten a cheaper swap/maintance and make the same power? if i had to choose SR20 VS RB20 i would choose SR EVERY DAMN TIME.

the RB dosent rule all, i never said that. the correct motor for what you are doing with the car rules all.

i belive the stock SR whp RECORD is 540ish WHP. thats 1 engine. a RB25 pushing 500whp has been done a ton more than a SR ever will, its a bigger, stronger engine. PERIOD.

oh yea, as for the "rings near the top of the piston" unless they are incredibly close and are causing horrible ringland cracking issues (wich there isnt.) that has absolutley no bearing on this conversation. the RB25 is not weaker because of this, any compotent person who decides to go for big power knows they need a proper tune. anyone who dosent will be replacing engine componetns reguardless of what engine they have.

[SeVa-S13]

why make more headaches for yourself if you could have gotten a cheaper swap/maintance and make the same power? if i had to choose KA-T vs RB25 i would choose KA EVERY DAMN TIME.

[Joe]

if your gonna change what i said, at least say you changed it.

i would choose KA-T over Rb25 only if building the KA.

[SeVa-S13]

Well it's hopefully pretty obvious I changed it, wasn't trying to deceive anyone... and with the money spent on swapping in an RB25, you could build the hell out of a KA.
Modified by SeVa-S13 at 12:50 PM 6/25/2005

[Joe]

ehh i dunno about that, like i said earlier my RB25 swap cost under 4000$its gonna be hard to get a decent turbo setup AND build an engine for that

oh andQuote »oh yeah, nice wheels. Tie a red ribbon on your attenna so when you come out of the mall, you know which 240sx with FN01RC's is yours.[/quote]thats hallarious. best sig ive seen on nico.

[Yellow4g63]

i said S14, not s13 blacktop.

im not debating the fact a SR is a cheaper, smarter or easier swap. my whole deal was is if you are going to do a RB swap and have to deal with everything that comes along with it at least get an engine thats better suited for big power. why make more headaches for yourself if you could have gotten a cheaper swap/maintance and make the same power? if i had to choose SR20 VS RB20 i would choose SR EVERY DAMN TIME.

the RB dosent rule all, i never said that. the correct motor for what you are doing with the car rules all.

i belive the stock SR whp RECORD is 540ish WHP. thats 1 engine. a RB25 pushing 500whp has been done a ton more than a SR ever will, its a bigger, stronger engine. PERIOD.

oh yea, as for the "rings near the top of the piston" unless they are incredibly close and are causing horrible ringland cracking issues (wich there isnt.) that has absolutley no bearing on this conversation. the RB25 is not weaker because of this, any compotent person who decides to go for big power knows they need a proper tune. anyone who dosent will be replacing engine componetns reguardless of what engine they have.

I usally don't say anything when the Rb20 bashing starts because it's just people opinions on what they feel is better. We all know what opinions are like and everyone has one. So I'll leave it at you like the 25 and I like the 20 and we all hate the KA.... j/k lol

[Joe]

fair enough for me

[eh?]

ehh i dunno about that, like i said earlier my RB25 swap cost under 4000$its gonna be hard to get a decent turbo setup AND build an engine for that

I remember when i took the rb25 for machine work. The bill was almost $1k and that's without blue printing and block assembly. You can almost buy an rb25 motorset with those 2 included. I think most people just tally up the cost of the build parts and forget machine shop costs.

[tight240]

At the end of the day if you love 240's it shouldnt matter what engine you have in the car, every engine that was listed are good engines and are unique in it's own way. I just think it's kind of ignorant for somebody to say, owe this motor is the best and that motor is not the best. Plus you talking like you have a rb26dett. and hell nuttin really gets better then a rb30det so please.................... kill it. When you have a 1,200 hp 240 you can talk all the ish you want and i wont have nuttin to say.

[NYCRB240sx]

RB25det internals as good to about 550whp....how long the internals will last is a different story...but the blocks will keep going and going...

[Joe]

At the end of the day if you love 240's it shouldnt matter what engine you have in the car, every engine that was listed are good engines and are unique in it's own way. I just think it's kind of ignorant for somebody to say, owe this motor is the best and that motor is not the best. Plus you talking like you have a rb26dett. and hell nuttin really gets better then a rb30det so please.................... kill it. When you have a 1,200 hp 240 you can talk all the ish you want and i wont have nuttin to say.

look, the point of the conversation was a discussion between 3 engines that snowballed. im sorry if you think im talking down to you because "i act like i have a rb26" but theres so much ignorance and bull**** flying around (not just in this thread) its getting under my skin.

every nissan owner thinks their engine is the best. SR, KA, RB, whatever. just look at the countless threads on the KA-T vs. SR. there will never be a true winner, because each engine does have its own advantages and disavtantages. same with the RB20, 25 and SR discussion. but that dosent stop people from arguing. so get over it.

BTW ill never have a 1200hp 240 because thats pointless. thats wasted horespower and money. its like those 1200hp supras that run 10's. pathetic.

[gomer23]

if you dont mind me asking, how much did you get that car for, looks super clean, the body is niiice

I picked it for 1500, he gave me an extra KA transmission, MAF, ecu, sway bar, and 3 good tires.

Thanks guys for the compliments. Somehow i knew this would end up being a RB vs SR debate haha.

[SHIEF]

Nothing was even said about the CA! Don't count it out in this vs. thread