MY e to de swap thread!

[lucky03602]

searched and found some good pages so thats not an issue

i have a 90 hatch that came up from GA with no rust on the body that im swapping a 93 de into

the hatch ive owned for a while now, had a post about how the engine blew on me so if anyone wants history look it up.

bought a 93 coupe with 218,xxx on it for 250.00

kid said it wouldnt start on key turn, if you sprayed starting fluid in it it wouild start right up (havent checked it yet)

id post pics of it but my g/f seems to have lost the cord from the digi camera to the pc...

im not really gonna be doing much to it until later spring so i actually have ground to work on and not ice/mud.

so far i have removed the cluseter, ecu, and unbolted the engine harness from the cab

also replaced the door handle i melted 2 falls ago (dont ask)

this is my first swap, and actually the first time ill be getting way into a mechanical job, usually i do the basic stuff.

i do have hayne's manual, and of course NICO so this should go smootly!!!

ps once i find cord ill post pics!

[lucky03602]

found some stupid pics of the parts car on the kids myspace and posted them on my cardomain

i plan on keeping updates on the cardomain as well.
Modified by lucky03602 at 3:00 PM 3/31/2008

[lucky03602]

i hate it with no pics but i do have an update

started tearing stuff off the parts car and removing stuff off the engine so that all there will be left is lifting it out of the car, when i get the hoist.

started removing aiv system also while i was at it. ditched the mechanical fan and shroud.keeping the a/c fan, ill hook it to a toggle in the car and use that for a fan until i get the altima's and dif.

yanked the engine harness out of it and kept that to the side, because obviously ill need it in my car.

the only thing i got left to do is unhook the power steering lines from engine (when engine is out ill yank out the p/s system to swap over)a/c lines and unbolt driveshaft

the transmission is still attached, im assuming i have enought room to yank transmission and engine out at same time.

oh yeah i still need to remove shifer, but the interior is all apart and all i got to do it literally unbolt the shifter.

ill look for the damn camera cord again to night so i can post pics for yall.

*for all you swap professers if there is anything i shoule be considering or skipped or anything just let me know*

[lucky03602]

still no cord but more updates..

removed the shifter from parts car, unbolted the transmission brace right from body, and unbolted the driveshaft.

all i got left now to get the dohc out of the parts car is the exhaust, it doesnt want to unbolt for me so im either gonna cut the downpipe or cut the egr pipe and unbolt the manifold, im thinking ill just cut the dp, i have anotherone anyways P

on my car i removed engine harness, took out shoroud and rad. basically all i need to do on my car is unhook one wire from power steering rack, and unbolt transmission from engine.

i plan on using my transmission in my car with the dohc.

while the engines are out of the car ill be swapping the ps pump and lines, removing emmissions, cleaning up the engine bay and probibly repainting it.

one question..im taking the a/c system out of car, all lines, compressor, etc..i was contemplating on taking out the a/c radiator but its really not hurting anything, and its kinda a barrier for the actual radiator incase rocks or something gets kicked up

waht are your opinions?

[usar89b]

Alright man, I'm working on doing the same swap into my 89.I've got everything I need except the 5spd de ecu. The transmission I got for the de has one more sensor than the ka-e transmission. So, I need the transmission part of the wiring harness for the swap. I'm working on rebuilding the kade right now and I'm taking my time with it. Still sourcing the rebuild kit. Probably gonna go with forged pistons and rods.

I'll post some pics when I get goin on it if you want!

[lucky03602]

yeah pics would be nice, id have alot but i cant find that damn cord still so im gonna have to go buy one.

while the engine bay is empty im going to swap all the little things over like i said. im also planning on painting the engine bay and dealing with any little rust around there.

while the engine is out im going to do compression check to make sure its actually ok. if thats good then im going to clean the hell out of it and do the timing chain. im not going to do a hell of alot with it becuase the engine def has alot of miles on it (218k) so i plan on just getting another de either with lower milage, or to rebuild, or ill end up yanking this one out next year and getting it rebuilt.

[DALAZ_68]

if u guys have anyquestion s od the DOHC to SOHC or SOHC to DOHC swap question lemme know i can help ive done both

[lucky03602]

yeah i got one for you..how did you put your engine harness back into your car...

i have a way i plan on doing it but it made me wonder how people did it, there's not alot of space to work with their lol

i have a post out asking ppl how they did theirs, its something like " re-instaling de engine harness"

[DALAZ_68]

are u talking about the nip[ple throught he fire wall... ?

cuz all i did was wedge out the rubber stopper out and pull it thru...through i did take off the glove compartment for some head rooms... u just gonna pull it thru...the only thing ur harness is connected to is the ecu...and the gauge cluster connection

to installit back in i just put the connection of the ecu thru the hole first had a hand just guide it back in and someone else giving me slack or pulling it back if it got stuck somewhere

[lucky03602]

yeah that is what i ment..

i pulled my harness out thru the firewall into the engine bay like you said.

when you put yours back in, was it a royal pain to try to, uh, manover it around into the path that it goes??

my glovebox is off, i took it off so i can swap out the dash and so i could cover it with vynal, which looks nice thanks to nico

but it doesnt feel like there's alot or basically any finger room to play with.

but i havent tried it yet, im not going to until i yank the engine out.

engine out ---> dash swap --> while dash out im routing the harness, along with audio cables --> put complete interior back together --> work on engine bay --> put engine in

[DALAZ_68]

if u take off ur dash ull have Sh!tloads more room ...

if u dont...then its kinda of a pain...but see im a chubby wubby...so my sausage fingure were a bit more of a pain to work with...just a thought

but its not to hard...if i can do it...anyone else should be able to aswell... quick tip though... electrical tape ur gauge cluster connection to the harness when u are spooning it thru...this way it dosnt snag on something...

[project-x]

i have pulled my harness in and out of the fire wall to many times to count ,no theirs hardly any finger room but just work it till you can grab it then pull.

its really very easy it just takes some time ive did mine by my self so dont give up

[lucky03602]

thanks and just one question...why exactly have you pulled your harness out too many times to remember?? lol sounds a bit strange to me

[project-x]

trouble shooting my injectors it was easier to just pull it out then to bend over the car lol

[lucky03602]

PICTURE TIME!!!

okay so im watching my daughter and have no time, but if you go to my myspace link, go to my pics i have a folder called "240sx project" they are all in there.

[DALAZ_68]

LOL it would have been easier to solder on the white plug to the engine harness...and clip it right in...

[murmans13]

if u guys have anyquestion s od the DOHC to SOHC or SOHC to DOHC swap question lemme know i can help ive done both

Hi i have a few questions. I have a '90 240sx hatch that has a ka24e auto in it that is blown up. I bought a ka24de w/5speed transmission from a '92. and I have been gathering up the parts that I need for the swap but Im not sure if i have everything i need. here is a list of what i have so far.

clutch and brake pedalsthe hard clutch lines and master and slave cyl.new 5sp. kade engine harness

I am just worried about all of the little things that do not interchange between the two that will keep the car from being a daily driver. ANY INPUT WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS

[lucky03602]

first and foremost

zerothread?id=162443

good thread and basically what i started with

as far as little things go..

you need the engine, dohc engine wire harness, dohc ecu, dohc instrument cluster, dohc instrument cluster harness, dohc ecu body harness plug, dohc power steering assembly (hard lines, rubber lines, resiviour, etc..) and i believe thats it.

sounds like alot but in actuallity its not.

easiest way is to get a full parts car that way if something is junk on yours you can hopefully use parts car parts.

as far as any questions about plugs and such, seriously just go to myspace, its in my sig, and go to "my project 240sx" in my pics

theres 2 pages of pics, and i have close ups of the plug for the ecu, instrument cluster, etc..

after that any other quesitons just ask, pics i can provide now i wasnt cheap and finally bought the damh usb cord

[DALAZ_68]

first and foremost

zerothread?id=162443

good thread and basically what i started with

as far as little things go..

you need the engine, dohc engine wire harness, dohc ecu, dohc instrument cluster, dohc instrument cluster harness, dohc ecu body harness plug, dohc power steering assembly (hard lines, rubber lines, resiviour, etc..) and i believe thats it.

sounds like alot but in actuallity its not.

easiest way is to get a full parts car that way if something is junk on yours you can hopefully use parts car parts.

as far as any questions about plugs and such, seriously just go to myspace, its in my sig, and go to "my project 240sx" in my pics

theres 2 pages of pics, and i have close ups of the plug for the ecu, instrument cluster, etc..

after that any other quesitons just ask, pics i can provide now i wasnt cheap and finally bought the damh usb cord

hes doign a 5spd swap...

all u need is the transmission flywheel, clutch, clutch pedal and cylinder assembly, metal line and rubber line ( lil hose that hooks into the slave on the transmission, ) front drive shaft assembly ( u dont need the whole driveshaft)

and thats about it...keep ur AT ecu...no limiter

[lucky03602]

i thought that until i saw his

Quote, originally posted by DALAZ_68 » if u guys have anyquestion s od the DOHC to SOHC or SOHC to DOHC swap question lemme know i can help ive done both

that would leave me to believe he's talking about an engine swap

after that he talks about the drivetran parts, including a kade engien harness...

now why would he need a de engine harness if hes doing a 5 spd swap onto a KA-E??? i could be wrong, and if i am owell sorry for helping or trying too, but it all just led me to believe..

[DALAZ_68]

dunno...i think he just ment to quote the first section that had to do with askin me a question....

[Paradoxxx]

would a '97 AT ecu from a ka24de work with a MT ka24de? I heard that theres just the speed sensor that i would have to change or cross... how many different ecu's are there for the s13/s14? what are there part numbers that they are recognized? I've been looking and haven't really found much or its all fragmented info. Thanks

[DALAZ_68]

if its OBII Mt ecu yeah it would work

[Paradoxxx]

Thats great, thats all i needed to know....wait what if its a 91 AT ECU for a 91 ka24de MT, and what problems would it have if anything, i know by doing this it would possibly eliminate the speed limiter and raise the rev limit on each gear, or is that only for OBDII? Its kind of hard to find out what ECU is interchangeable since Nissan came out with so many of them. Turns out my ECU is A11-b45-g08 #25 frm a 91 ... Appreciate the feed back.Link to ECU core identification listhttp://www.jimwolftechnology.c...D.PDF

Modified by Paradoxxx at 3:23 AM 5/15/2008

Modified by Paradoxxx at 3:24 AM 5/15/2008
Modified by Paradoxxx at 3:26 AM 5/15/2008

[DALAZ_68]

Thats great, thats all i needed to know....wait what if its a 91 AT ECU for a 91 ka24de MT, and what problems would it have if anything, i know by doing this it would possibly eliminate the speed limiter and raise the rev limit on each gear, or is that only for OBDII? Its kind of hard to find out what ECU is interchangeable since Nissan came out with so many of them. Turns out my ECU is A11-b45-g08 #25 frm a 91 ... Appreciate the feed back.Link to ECU core identification listhttp://www.jimwolftechnology.c...D.PDF

Modified by Paradoxxx at 3:23 AM 5/15/2008

Modified by Paradoxxx at 3:24 AM 5/15/2008

Modified by Paradoxxx at 3:26 AM 5/15/2008

u lost me here...clarify...

[Paradoxxx]

The ECU is from an automatic '91 ka24de and the engine its going to be in is '91 ka24de with a ka24e manual transmission. I'm just wonder if the ECU will be okay with the engine.
Modified by Paradoxxx at 11:52 AM 5/16/2008

[gtivr4]

Do you have the oil pan for the KA24E still? If it's in good shape, I need one...

[DALAZ_68]

The ECU is from an automatic '91 ka24de and the engine its going to be in is '91 ka24de with a ka24e manual transmission. I'm just wonder if the ECU will be okay with the engine.

Modified by Paradoxxx at 11:52 AM 5/16/2008

so its an AT ecu going into a MT setup....yes itll work and u get no rev limit i believe and uped speed limit on gears i believe

[Paradoxxx]

yeah i got 2 of them, one i would use the other i wouldn't. email me and i'll send you some pics of it [email protected]

[murmans13]

OK. Im still a little confused. If I have a '90 s13 with the automatic ka24e and I am swapping in a 5speed ka24de from a '92 s13, what is the difference in wiring. I bought a ka24de engine harness. do I need any other part of the wiring? when it comes down to the wiring im stumped. Thanks Guys.