My Car on Acura Forum!

[EQwhipD]

Gentlemen,My car has been mentioned on the Acura Forum. Basically my bro and I went to the country to take pics of the cars together and here is what we got to show for it!

http://www.acura-legend.com/vb...13042

-EQwhipD

[gniknave]

You need to check your brother! "(Disclaimer: the Q has nothing on the LEGEND)".

[Falkdesigns]

hehe, congrats . One of my old Honda buddies pointed me to Honda-tech.com where there was a discussion about my car and wheels:

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1214518

Needless to say, I was quite flattered that my car was being discussed w/o my knowledge.

[maxnix]

Gen II Legends (especially GS 6MT) were the second choice of a few on this board.

[KingKarl]

Sounds like Qnis envy to me.

[Rex]

Gen II Legends (especially GS 6MT) were the second choice of a few on this board.

Yes, very nice, well made, (FWD) performance sedans. One of their worst attributs is high resale .

[CrimsonQ]

a legend is like a pinto to the Q. Sorry ive owned 1 (not by choice) FWD , need i say more? v6? huh? weakness. but to each his own

[M3Racer]

a legend is like a pinto to the Q. Sorry ive owned 1 (not by choice) FWD , need i say more? v6? huh? weakness. but to each his own

Are we talking about the same Legend? The legend was one of the greatest cars of all time IMO. The C32 made 200hp, which was phenomanal for a honda at the time. It was also one of the first cars to use the double wishbone suspension. It was in no way a "pinto to the Q", nor was it weak.

[CrimsonQ]

i hate hondas

[elwesso]

i hate hondas

honda=weakFWD=weak

[M3Racer]

i hate hondas

Oh....That explains it...

[Jesda]

Are we talking about the same Legend? The legend was one of the greatest cars of all time IMO. The C32 made 200hp, which was phenomanal for a honda at the time. It was also one of the first cars to use the double wishbone suspension. It was in no way a "pinto to the Q", nor was it weak.

It was a great car from an engineering perspective. Handling and acceleration were without question very good. Everything about it seemed well-synchronized and well put together.

However, all the perfection made it soulless and boring. It was also plagued with head gasket and transmission problems. I almost bought one at Frank Leta Acura in St Louis but the transmission went kaput right before I picked it up (thankfully). I got an Accord instead (sold it later and got the Q).

The Legend is a nice car that did everything well, but its somehow nothing special. Driving one expresses complete nothingness, making it the preferred mode of transportation for accountants and this guy:

The Legend will be forgotten, because it was designed to be ignored.

[vicQ45]

The Legend will be forgotten, because it was designed to be ignored.

bad choice of name for the car eh? i jsut bought a 93 accord for my daily driver while we build our muscle car. god i forgot how much fwd sucks. honda forums suck too. nico rules!! at least its not a toyota. i can't stand the average toyota driver. bastards pull in front of you and don't accelerate or make sure to go at least 10 miles below the speed limit for safety. but honda boys are all ricers with big cf wings and fartcans. goddammit. i miss my q and maxima.

[pito11213]

You guys are insane. A 93 Acura legend with the type 2 is a beautiful car. Try to out handle one and see just how crappy one is. Those cars come factory to take turns at 90 and 100. I must admit the acceleration from a roll while in Drive sucks but put it donw to D3 and you have a different car.

[Rex]

You guys are insane. A 93 Acura legend with the type 2 is a beautiful car. Try to out handle one and see just how crappy one is. Those cars come factory to take turns at 90 and 100. I must admit the acceleration from a roll while in Drive sucks but put it donw to D3 and you have a different car.

Same thoughts here, but I'd opt for a Type-II 94 with the 6 speed.

It's not a hunk of junk.

[pito11213]

So would I Rex. But the type II was available in the 93 coupe. But yes the 94 is nice with the 6 speed. They have excellent handling and with the right driver will give a Q a problem on the road.

[Jesda]

Yep, the 6-speed version will still retain desirability, being unique in its class. The biggest reason of course, besides more involved and enjoyable driving, is that it won't suffer the problems that the automatic transmission did.

Honda was asked in an interview why the car was so anonymously designed and engineered. They said that it was because their customers preferred to keep their cars in the background, performing their duties reliably without being noticed. The Legend was put on the road with the idea that it would run forever and draw no attention to itself. Sounds Buicky, but pleasant, and explains why Acura in the late 80s and early 90s never achieved the luxury cachet of Lexus (or even Infiniti).

Because the qualities that made Hondas fantastic vehicles never translated well in the higher end of the market, Acura made some changes around the turn of the century. The new TL now outsells every vehicle in its class but the 3-series.
Modified by Jesda at 12:06 PM 6/27/2005

[zinkie13]

a legend is like a pinto to the Q. Sorry ive owned 1 (not by choice) FWD , need i say more? v6? huh? weakness. but to each his own

I'm sorry, but I have to post this. This is the blue book value of a 1993 Infiniti Q45 with GOOD mechanical and cosmetics with approximated 130,000 miles.Private Party Value Search Local Listings | List This Car for Sale $2,230

Now this is the value of an Acure Legend 4 door LS sedan that is automatic, and in good mechanical and cosmetic shape with approximately 130,000 miles.Private Party Value Search Local Listings | List This Car for Sale $5,205

Now that is well over double. I didn't change any of the options and left everything the way it should be in order to not manipulate the numbers. Some of the G50 owners need to realize that your cars are not the greatest things in the world. If there was something even moderately special about them someone else would have noticed by now. Instead you guys have a pretty fast highway vehicle that can't hold ANY value and high extremely high maintainance costs. Whose car sounds like the pinto now?

This isn't to all of you because some of you have realized that they aren't all that special. I'm not saying my car is any better, but its just wierd that I can go out and buy a well maintained Q45 for around 2500-3500 dollars and one would be hardpressed to find cars that retailed for half of what the Q did for even 4000 dollars. i.e. 1990 GSX eclipse. This car might even have higher maintainance costs than a G50 because of the transmission. However, if you can find a GSX in gooood condition from 2500 dollars then buy it and go sell it for double.

I am in no way dissing the G50 Q's. I love them. I used to park my seville on the weekends just to have the luxury of driving my old 92. But comon! The car is 15 years old and some of you just need to get over it.

[Falkdesigns]

[Jesda]

I'm sorry, but I have to post this. This is the blue book value of a 1993 Infiniti Q45 with GOOD mechanical and cosmetics with approximated 130,000 miles.Private Party Value Search Local Listings | List This Car for Sale $2,230

Now this is the value of an Acure Legend 4 door LS sedan that is automatic, and in good mechanical and cosmetic shape with approximately 130,000 miles.Private Party Value Search Local Listings | List This Car for Sale $5,205

Note that resale value also compensates for the cost of repairs to retain as-new performance and safety. The G50 Q is a more complex vehicle thats more difficult and expensive to service and own. Desirability doesn't necessarily translate into higher luxury resale. Consider also Honda's strong reputation for long-term reliability, which always results in higher resale value.

Youre oversimplifying the economics of the used car market.

[Jesda]

Forbes Magazine on Acura's failures:http://www.forbes.com/columnis....html

Since the article, the TSX, TL, and RL have been replaced with significantly improved and more exciting models. Apparently someone at Honda realized that the Buick side of the luxury market was full of old people with one foot in the grave, and wouldn't be around much longer to buy new vehicles.

The Legend was and is highly regarded, in spite of Acura's own intentions. The first generation RL that replaced it better-reflected the lifeless Acura brand philosophy.

Pretty much everything in the article could also be applied to Infiniti, which abandoned distinction for Acura/Buick anonymity until recently.

[Jesda]

[zinkie13]

Note that resale value also compensates for the cost of repairs to retain as-new performance and safety. The G50 Q is a more complex vehicle thats more difficult and expensive to service and own. Desirability doesn't necessarily translate into higher luxury resale. Consider also Honda's strong reputation for long-term reliability, which always results in higher resale value.

Youre oversimplifying the economics of the used car market.

Well, actually I believe it is 'that' simple. Ya see, people spend money to buy vehicles, and then they spend money to maintain them. All I'm saying is that if there was something remarkably spectacular about the G50 then it would be worth more, but it isn't. I would venture to say that the G50 Q45 holds its value probably worse than any car made in the 90's even if it was extremely well maintained. Its a great car, it just isn't worth anything monetarily.

[Jesda]

ts a great car, it just isn't worth anything monetarily.

I dont recall any G50 owner claiming their car had high resale value. You're confusing me, my friend.

[Jesda]

Example (KBB):

Private party on a 100k 94 Q in good condition:$3180

PP on a 100k 94 Legend GS in good condition:$6805

PP on a 100k 94 Lexus LS400 in good condition:$6650

PP on a 100k 94 Cadillac Seville STS in good condition:$5375

Based on this, are you going to now suggest that the Seville STS is a better car than the Q45? The Northstar Seville costs much more to maintain than a Q45, but beats it only in brand cachet (Cadillac heritage) and straight-line acceleration (by two tenths of a second in the 1/4).

Luxury resale values are ridiculously subjective and mean little in vehicle comparisons.

[pito11213]

Lets not forget that Kelly has inflated values people.

[pito11213]

1994 Infiniti Q45 100,000 - 5,270.00

1994 Cadillac Seville 100,000 - 3,810.00

1994 Acura Legend 100,000 - 6,081.00

These are all base models with a Clean vehicle condition. All of these are private party values.

I didn't even trying to value the top models. These are just the base models of each class. I think these numbers are more street realistic. What your car is worth in a book doesnt mean you'll get it in the street.

[mrmark]

I still like my '95 Legend coupe. Timeless style that never goes out of fashion....

[Jesda]

Thats really sharp!

[zinkie13]

That car is gorgeous!