my brakes are wierd

[chaoticchildof]

so i changed the brakes on my car well i go to drive off and the brakes dont pump up or build pressure i look under theres a puddle of brake fluid i tried bleeding them and the rear bakes bleed like they should but the front doesnt leek anyting i herd that i was suposed to loosen the bleeder valve but ive never had to do that with my other cars and someone told me that it was the master cylinder what can i to test the master cylinder it seems to me that only the rear brakes are working i can hold down the brakes and someone can just spin the rotors freely so please someone help
Modified by chaoticchildof at 9:54 PM 12/27/2007

[maxnix]

yeahitsouondslikeyoumayhavealeakorsomethinglikehtatbutitshardtotellfromyourdescriptionasitisntpuctuatedworthcrapknowwhatimean

[chaoticchildof]

sry dude but this isnt a english paper i need help with my car not punctuation its realy not that big of deal i think its pretty legible so no disrespect but get off my case

[oldmako]

Your post is difficult to read, therefore your problem is difficult to diagnose.

How does one bleed brakes without using a bleeder valve? Your brakes are hydraulic. No fluid at the bleeder valve could mean no fluid at the caliper.

[Q45tech]

punctuation its realy not that big of deal..so please someone help

We are somewhat educated here and you asked for our help so must follow our rules................as painful as they might be.

"so i changed the brakes on my car"

What exactly did you change? The brake pads or other components?

[RAP]

Hmmmmmmmm NO BRAKES?

MY question is: WTF are you doing fooling around with YOUR car brakes IF YOU don't kno nuttin' bout dem? HYDRAULIC BRAKES are basic and simple and if you have to come to a forum for such basic information then it's

KINDA RISKY!

Jack

[bullittandy]

It's ageism!! The mean age of the people who have replied is 55! This is the texting generation, rules of grammar are so yesterday.

Since I'm 33, I'll moderate between the kid and old folks.

chaoticchildof, your problem is likely very simple but it remains unknown because the question is confusing.

What did you change?Do you have a leak?It sounds like your brake system has air in it.

FYI Its impossible to bleed the system without opening the bleeder valves.

[elwesso]

How about we be helpful instead of insulting? I will admit it was difficult to read....

Anyway, you probably need to get a one man bleeder kit.. What you do is undo the bleeder, hook up the bleeder kit (like $5 at autozone) which is a clear tube with a bottle on the other end... I usually buy a quart of brake fluid, and pump until the bottle is full (usually 2-3 pumps on my Q). Keep the MC full...

This acts as a bleed procedure as well as a way to get nice fresh fluid in the system.

start at the drivers rear, go to pass. rear, then drivers front, pass front.

[yodawill2000]

I never need to bleed the system when I replace pads. I go the old school route. Take off the brake reservoir cap. Take off the outside pad then put a clamp on the OLD inside pad and clamp the piston down to allow room for the new pads.Then put the cap back on after you check the fluid level.It will rise a bit obviously.

[oldmako]

Pretty much the same routine I have followed since high school, however I do try to expel some of the old fluid each time.

I "heard" once, that the fluid at the caliper, and in the last foot or so of line is degraded the most due to the heat generated by the brakes, and subsequent cooling (cycles). This allows the fluid to break down over time, and somehow allows moisture to creep into the fluid which further compromises it's characteristics.

So, I always try to evacuate the last half a pint or so of the fluid at each wheel thru the bleeder valve. In this way, I hope to prevent $$$ repairs at the caliper, and exchange the old fluid for new. Cost is next to nothing, as is effort.

If I am new to a [used] car, I will do it right and vent the entire system with new fluid following the usual routine (RR-LR-RF-LF)

In either case, if I found no fluid at the bleeder, I'd sure get my head into it to find out why.

[carfrk666]

brake fluid will not break down over time thru heat, DOT 3 is rated at 500 degrees and at 500 degrees it will start to expand and then "boil" however brake fluid is hydroscopic and will absorb moisture, usualy thru the resivour cap, the moisture will then start to deteriouate the lines and seals but anyways it isnt a proper brake procedure to bleed the brakes upon a pad job, u just need to push the piston back in the caliper with channelocks or a C- clamp and dont forget the remove the resivour cap so u dont blow the seals in the master cylinder, u should be fine if u just bleed the brakes from here on out however, elwesso has good directions on doing it, u just need to remember that if the bleeder is rusty sometimes u wont get a good seal with a pump on it, so just clean them up a bit and push down on the coupling

[RAP]

"It's ageism!! The mean age of the people who have replied is 55! This is the texting generation, rules of grammar are so yesterday."

Well I suppose I'm the one that tips the scale to the high side. It really is painful to read poor spelling, grammar, punctuation etc. Makes one be dismissive of the poster as someone not worth the trouble if he doesn't care about the rules of the ENGLISH language.

AND THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR AN EDUCATED PERSON ? ? ? WRITING IN SUCH A CARELESS MANNER.

Smart people know their audience and write accordingly.

Personally makes me very happy when I note someone has called someone to task for writing so poorly. I found this forum to be on a higher level than most and I enjoy reading well written questions and answers. Could it be that young'uns have a sense of entitlement and don't need to conform ? ? ?

Nuff said.

Plus, BRAKES are so TODAY and one should seek some one on one live help, face to face, and learn about brakes, which was the original subject matter.

Jack

[96Qowner]

I'm gonna pipe up about this grammar/ageism thing again.

I'm one of the "median crowd" guys and I have a very bright 12 yr old nephew who doesn't think much of punctuation in writing. His English teacher is always getting on him about it, and he groans and complains and tries to figure out why it matters, and manages to get the job done. I completely understand. It's VERY difficult to get it EXACTLY right, so why does it even matter?

It doesn't have to. BUT ... if you're gonna try to have a conversation with people, you want to speak in their manner. There's just no upside in approaching someone for help or advice or conversation, and muttering and mumbling in a manner they have to work to interpret. The downside of ignoring punctuation and other rules of writing is that you cut yourself off from lots of people. Now decide this for yourself ... what's the upside? It's just silly to come to a written forum and not be able to write.

Otherwise, I say fine, whatever. I'll try to read your writing - won't be fun - my first impression of you will be unfavorable, but fine. It's one of those choices we're all free to make.

[Haitian_King]

yeahitsouondslikeyoumayhavealeakorsomethinglikehtatbutitshardtotellfromyourdescriptionasitisntpuctuatedworthcrapknowwhatimean

*Howling In Laughter*

BURN!

Seriously, proper punctuation is crucial. Don't pull a Charlie Gordon.

[chaoticchildof]

Hey sry been out of town sense like January lol but finally got it fixed. Turned out it was the master cylinder I bought two different rebuilt cylinders from AutoZone neither worked cause of the hole between the two ports wear the lines plug in at kept blowing out and brake fluid would squirt out finally I went to the junkyard and bought one for 25 bucks and it works fine. So I would recommend on not buying rebuilt part or at least not master cylinders.

still got chain guides to go and definitely the belts but that’s no biggie giving It a complete tune up soon any suggestions on what else I should check out?

[qship96]

A dictionary?

[chaoticchildof]

what did i miss spell something for you ?

[maxnix]

what did i miss spell something for you ?

Why do you axe? That's a "wierd" question!

Whatsarunonsentencewithnopunctuationororlikegrammarorsyntaxandlikethatwhatdifferencedoesitmakeanyway

[NY94J30]

miss spell

Irony

Sorry, nothing constructive to add.

[qship96]

If Miss Spell ever gets married I guess we should call her Mrs. Spell.

[captainluigi]

I am reasonably certain that was sarcasm as irony is never truly funny but sarcasm often is.

[NY94J30]

Only if you assume that the misspelling of misspell was intentional. Seems unlikely.

[chaoticchildof]

lol whatever thx for the help

[StarPD]

chaotichildof, your screen name is appropriate, as your post was indeed chaotic.

Save your lack of punctuation and capitalization as well as texting lingo for your homies and buddies. Most people here are educated, and understand that punctuation and capitalization exist for a reason, and that reason is to make communications simpler and easier to understand. When you are asking for help, it doesn't make good sense to poke your thumb in the eyes of those you want assistance from by knowingly ignoring grammar, then having a cavalier attitude about it and becoming indignant when others don't appreciate that. We'll help you, but don't ask us to have to spend time and effort deciphering your run-on sentences and lack of grammar skills. Respect us and we'll respect you. Disrespect us and expect the same. If you are illiterate, I suggest you attend night school to learn how to express yourself clearly.

About your brakes, Rap is right. You shouldn't be messing around with something as important as your brake system if you haven't a clue about it. Get someone, anyone, to teach you a little about brake systems, or (gasp!) read up on it.

Side note:As stated by carfrk666, brake fluid is hygroscopic. That means it absorbs moisture. In fact, it's SO hygroscopic, it actually absorbs moisture right through the rubber brake lines. That moisture can and will corrode metals in your brake system and cause leaks and failure. That's why it's a good idea to completely flush your brake system every two years. It can also when subjected to extreme heat from heavy braking, turn into steam. Your brake ystem is hydraulic, meaning it works based on the incompressability of the brake fluid. When steam occurs, it IS compressible. That can result in loss of brakes. Air in the system is likewise compressible, and can lead to loss of braking, so bleeding it out is essential.

I suggest besides learning to be considerate of those from whom you seek help, you study up on brake systems and go through your brake system, flushing it and checking the entire system for wear, corrosion, and leaks. If you don't, you run the risk of crashing and burning, not something you want to do. Otherwise, don't mess with it. Take it to a reputable shop and pay someone who knows how to do it correctly.

[captainluigi]

What he said. I doubt you will find a better luxocaro for the same $.

I doubt there is a more coherent auto forum out there. Lots to learn & dues to pay. i.e. READ READ READ

Everyone here has SOMETHING to offer.

That includes you.

Welcome to NICO.

I see you have met Brian, you're half way there.

[chaoticchildof]

I never meant to show anyone disrespect if you look my sentences had their periods maybe not all but most. I don’t stress on it I’m sorry I don’t. I did take the time to type this out on Microsoft word then copy and paste but hey it doesn’t catch everything and neither do I I’m sorry for all my mistakes yet we all know there will be more and with my brakes I’m not retarded I just simply had to figure out what was going on turns out it was the master cylinder and then the one I got from AutoZone (lol which I now work at) was bad but I thought that it was new then came to realize it wasn’t it was rebuilt anyways I got it fixed it stops fine now almost on a dime.

Thanks everyone for your help although this post is more about my grammar next is the chain guides. God I prey I have enough time and money to do them lol.

[StarPD]

I never meant to show anyone disrespect if you look my sentences had their periods maybe not all but most. I don’t stress on it I’m sorry I don’t. I did take the time to type this out on Microsoft word then copy and paste but hey it doesn’t catch everything and neither do I I’m sorry for all my mistakes yet we all know there will be more and with my brakes I’m not retarded I just simply had to figure out what was going on turns out it was the master cylinder and then the one I got from AutoZone (lol which I now work at) was bad but I thought that it was new then came to realize it wasn’t it was rebuilt anyways I got it fixed it stops fine now almost on a dime.

Thanks everyone for your help although this post is more about my grammar next is the chain guides. God I prey I have enough time and money to do them lol.

Not sure about earlier versions, but later versions of MS Word has grammar check in addition to spell check. You might want to look into it, as it will help you post more correctly and clearly. You know, make it easier for us to read and understand, so we CAN help you without unnecessary effort on our part. We'll all help you the best way we can, please just make it easier for us.

As for your brakes, you really do need to learn more about them, the principles on which they operate as well as the specific system on your car, using the FSM. There are also other things which will come up on your Q where the FSM will be a Godsend. If you don't have one, buy one on Ebay or though this board, or go to Phat20 to download one (you'll need to buy WinRAR, a compressing and decompressing app to open the FSM once you've downloaded it if that's the way you decide to go).

BTW, the "Search" function here is a booger to learn how to use, but once you've mastered it, you can look up almost anything you need to know on how to diagnose and repair any problem you will come up against. Anything you can't make heads or tails of in posts you find using the "Search" function, or things that you just can't find, we're all here to help you.

Good luck with your Q. You have a great car, one that will probably need some work, but you won't find a better car, at least not for anywhere near the money.

[chaoticchildof]

Lol thanks I can’t wait to fix this car up especially cause I only bought for 750 bucks. I have the latest versions of ms word and I have the winrar its hacked but it will work and I downloaded the fsm yet it was on a different computer so I have to download it again.