my 240 Vs a Chevy camaro?

[SR22DET]

hey guys i just had a question should i put my 240 with pretty much stock everything besides an exhaust system, headers... and intake not to sound like a ricer but i bought it that way and i dont wanna invest any money into the ka since kinda soon ill drop in an sr20 oh and his chevy is a '69 with a 307 and some ignition upgrades but i saw his car and he rns like 15.4's or somwhere around that so should i race him or just save my money and save my self the embarassment of losing to a chevy?

[nlzmo400r]

with just intake exhaust and headers, itd be a close race, some KA's are just stronger from teh factory than others, we had a member here run a 15.5 with a STOCK ka, so theres notellin, if u have the money to spare, take him to the track and run him

[D-UNIT]

run him especially at the track. but pratice first cuz' its all about the start!! I think you got a good chance!

[robertwb70]

if he runs 15.4s you're gonna lose by 0.5 seconds(or more)

[nlzmo400r]

but like i said, if all he's going to have is exhaust, we've seen someone here fun 15.5 bone stock, so probably u will lose, but you have a shot, screw it , its fun

[PapaSmurf2k3]

race him 2 times, once straight, and once through the twisties. youll be sure to win through the curves.

[nlzmo400r]

yea, thats a dead giveaway there

[Big Manne]

race him at the track and bust his *** on the tree. reaction time man, reaction time

[nlzmo400r]

but reaction time has nothing to do with your 1/4 miles times. You can fall asleep at the light with a rectoin time of 2.675 vs your opponents' .5o1 and you could still win in actual 1/4 time, the timer doesnt actually begin until you cross that staging line

[robertwb70]

true the time does not start until the car moves(although some people will argue the fact)

launching a 240 well is no easy task-that being said the start line is probably not the place to bet your money-and the other guy has just a good chance to cut a good light as you do(maybe more if he has an automatic trans)

[SloMoe]

his chevy is a '69 with a 307 and some ignition upgrades but i saw his car and he rns like 15.4's or somwhere around that so should i race him or just save my money and save my self the embarassment of losing to a chevy?

The 307 was Chevrolet's black sheep. Geared more towards economy and low emmisions left it underpowered, and it never really got much attention in the performance arena. Now the famed 302 on the other hand is a marvelous engine of its day. Basically a 327 block with a 283 crankshaft, was meant to compete in Trans Am races where 5.0L displacement was the maximum limit for the class. They rev high like a champ, and can develop some good power numbers in stock trim. I say if hes got a 307 you have a good chance, if its a 302 (only on the 69 Z28's) that a different story. Good luck.

[robertwb70]

well-another chevy guy(on the nissan forum)-I agree 307s are junk(but slighly better than 305s)--------------------------------------------------------------------I say if hes got a 307 you have a good chance----------------------------------------------------------------we have to remember that a 307 is still over 2x more engine than a 240 has-in a car that weighs about the same and cubes=torque and drag racing is all about torque

oh yeah-and fun,so just don't bet anything important on the outcome

and just because he says it's a 307 doesn't make it so(could be sand bagging) in reality it could be anything from a 283 to a 454 cube small block and it would not look any different

[nlzmo400r]

im sure a 69 camaro (aka tank) weighs about 35oo lbs

[robertwb70]

im sure a 69 camaro (aka tank) weighs about 35oo lbs

weigh your 240-you might be surprised(mines close to 3000-stock)

500lbs still isn't going to make-up for 1/2 an engine(even if it is an archaic dinosour v-8-which I might mention has alot of untapped potential if it's only running 15s-the 240 on the other hand is a better engineered motor-hence less room for improvement)

[pstickne]

That's why you opt for a mega-$$$ [custom] VQ35DETT transplant and smoke the living **** out of him.... ehh, if only I had that much "free" money :-)

[robertwb70]

yeah,yeah that's the ticket;)

I like japaneese cars but I like muscle cars better-so I'll take the bad guys side...er..the camaro

I could get that camaro into the 10s range for what it would cost to get the 240 into the 14s

and no matter what the wankers think that camaro is infinitely cooler than any 240 will ever be-and for every upgrade or performance part there is for a nissan there are hundreds for the chevy(and they cost less too)

there's just nothing like the rumble of a good old muscle car-keep your eyes open they are making a comeback-at least as much as they can with emissions,CAFE,crash testing and all the other beaurocratic BS

[nlzmo400r]

weigh your 240-you might be surprised(mines close to 3000-stock)

500lbs still isn't going to make-up for 1/2 an engine(even if it is an archaic dinosour v-8-which I might mention has alot of untapped potential if it's only running 15s-the 240 on the other hand is a better engineered motor-hence less room for improvement)

you weighed yours? how much was it exactly, i know from the factory the SE's weighed in at under 285o lbs

[robertwb70]

I hope you're not going off what the title says(I had a 1980 malibu that said 2800 on the title and at the track it weighed 3450-with 1/4 tank of gas and the a/c gutted-they must have weighed that one before the engine was installed)

anyway-mine is a 1992 base model-and at the time it was stock right down to the hubcaps-if I remember right it was 29## something-can't remember exact but it was close enough for govm't work to 3000-most drag race tracks have scales-as well as truck stops

I weighed most of my vehicles1972 datsun was 2450(before the frame switch)1970 chevy truck was 3850(empty-no interior)

[nlzmo400r]

wow, maybe they weigh the car withuoit ANY interior or anything to get the weight of just the chassi motor and transmission or something

[pstickne]

Quote »and no matter what the wankers think that camaro is infinitely cooler than any 240 will ever be[/quote]I -love- my 240SX.Feels good to sit in -- even with the "uncomfortable" S13 seats.Drives good -- although it eats gas like crazy if you drive it like crazy.Nimble as a go-cart in the parking lot. Sure-footed on the highway -- go Super Hicas!.Hatchback & fold-down seat = enough cargo room for me -- can't say that about passenger room.Could be smoother over bumps -- but this is what they call "driver-feedback", no? :icesangel**edit** Looks damn good -- even with the aging rock-chipped paint

I also feel like a more "special" driving my S13... around here (Tenessee/Kentucky) Camaros and Mustangs are a dime a dozen.I'm not saying S13's are "exotic"--as they aren't--but it isn't everyday I'll run into one

Of course, offer me the choice between a S13 or a Z06 and I'd take the latter in heart beat :P

[robertwb70]

1969 CAMAROS are a dime a dozen-damn I'm moving there-I can count the 69 camaros I've seen all year here in central florida(including car shows) on my fingers and toes and have some left over-240sx I think I saw 3 on the way to the convenience store 5 minutes ago

not that it matters but if you had a nice 69 camaro it would be worth more in 2 yrs than it is now-do you think a 240sx market value is going up yet?

BTW whens the last time you saw a 1972 datsun truck?

[droptopsilvia]

I cant believe you are even trying to compare a 240sx and a 69 CAMARO z28<-- True muscle like my 67' g.t. 500they are totally incomparable one blasts through the turns like a guided misslethe other blasts through the straights barely guideableeither way S.E.G. If you wanna race him go for it but, i wouldnt bet anythinghe could've just ran a slow time to bait you, thats what we do round my way, run a decent time let them think its a hands down win for 'em so they bet more and then take it from them

[pstickne]

I didn't buy my 240SX as an "investment". Lol.

I really would like to get a nice datsun 240Z though...

**edit: Nor did I say '69 Camaro's were a dime a dozen.

[droptopsilvia]

I did!!! i figure it'll be worth millions later on in life!!!!especially with the excellent shape i bought it in. LOL

[lbrowne]

all hail the f-body :ylsuper

I'm biased, but hey i own both a 240 and fbody.

That old camaro might rip you out of the hole, they usually have a nice tap of torque on hand.

That camaro also has some very serious potential...thats very very easily unleashed.

[GroundZero]

BTW whens the last time you saw a 1972 datsun truck?

my friend owns one.

[robertwb70]

those trucks are soo simple-I really like mine===========================================EGR Removal (Anyone know where i can get an EGR block-off plate?)============================================I wouldn't recommend this-EGR only works at high vacum-removing it will cause more problems than it fixes(mostly because it doesn't fix anything)-EGR does absolutely nothing at WOT

the only good thing would be the 2 lb weight reduction

[SloMoe]

I cant believe you are even trying to compare a 240sx and a 69 CAMARO z28<-- True muscle like my 67' g.t. 500

Are you talking about a 67 Shelby GT500 with the 428? If so is it all origional?

[mv520]

I got a 89 240sx ka24e. I have a turbo kit sitting at home. Im waiting to save enough money to rebuild the moter. What will I have to do to beat my friends soon to be 91 5speed 350 HIGH OUTPUT(with headers, and 4:11 gear's) ? any?

[fatboy]

with just intake exhaust and headers, itd be a close race, some KA's are just stronger from teh factory than others, we had a member here run a 15.5 with a STOCK ka, so theres notellin, if u have the money to spare, take him to the track and run him

my 89 with the sohc has run a 15.2 at the track on street tires. its completely stock except i gutted the converter and i installed a vlsd rearend. that was my first and only time running at the track. i launched it at 4000rpm. i have noticed my car runs hard/stronger than any other stock 240 ive ever driven or seen. i guess i got a freak motor. same with my brother. he has a civic hatch with a sohc vtec motor. he ran 14.9 on the stock motor, he had exhaust and intake but nothing else. jsut good driving and a freaky motor. that hatch is now with the same motor only turbo charged. its running in the mid 11's