More Lunacy from Michael Moore:

[AZhitman]

Howie will just claim he's exempt - he's not "wealthy" because he makes less than $250K a year. That's how the left passes the buck.

Wonder if Ted Danson and Barbara Streisand and Danny Glover and the rest of the brain-dead Hollywood twats have been handing out piles of money? After all, according to Moore, it's not theirs.

It's OK Howie - I'll stand up and fight for your savings and your retirement. And I won't ask for anything in return. After all, the morons you follow don't think it belongs to you. Doesn't that make you angry? Or are you just too star-struck by their fame?

[audtatious]

It's just his share of the pie whereas what I have is also his share of the pie...

Silly Libbies, cash is for chumps

[srellim234]

As a matter of fact, AZ, Streisand DOES put her money where her mouth is.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbra_Streisand

Philanthropy

Streisand has personally raised $25 million [49] for organizations through her live performances. The Streisand Foundation,[50] established in 1986, has contributed over $16 million through nearly 1,000 grants to "national organizations working on preservation of the environment, voter education, the protection of civil liberties and civil rights, women’s issues [51] and nuclear disarmament."[52]

In 2006, Streisand donated $1 million to the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation in support of former President Bill Clinton’s climate change initiative.[53]

In 2008, Streisand gifted $5 million to endow the Barbra Streisand Women's Cardiovascular Research and Education Program at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center's Women's Heart Center.[54] In September that year, Parade magazine included Streisand on their Giving Back Fund's second annual Giving Back 30 survey, "a ranking of the celebrities who have made the largest donations to charity in 2007 according to public records",[55] as the third most generous celebrity. The Giving Back Fund claimed Streisand donated $11 million, which The Streisand Foundation distributed.

At Julien’s Auctions in October 2009, Streisand, a long-time collector of art and furniture, sold 526 items with all the proceeds going to her foundation. Items included a costume from Funny Lady and a vintage dental cabinet purchased by the performer at 18 years old. The sale’s most valuable lot was a painting by Kees van Dongen.[56]

[AZhitman]

Tax shelter what? (I kid, I kid)

That's not Michael-Moore-style-redistribution, that's contribution to causes. Very worthy causes, I'm sure, and she's to be applauded for it. I retract including her in my list. Hopefully, it doesn't negatively impact the point I was making.

I'm sure if you tried to stop her from giving to those causes, she'd tell you quite plainly that she can do as she wishes with her money - which runs counter to what Mr. Moore proposes.

[srellim234]

I don't like Moore but this story says a lot about him. Not a lot of money but proof he doesn't tout his own philanthropy and it shows what he'll do for those in need.

http://bruisefalling.blogspot.com/2007/ ... angel.html

Michael Moore: Guardian Angel

Michael Moore is not everybodies cup of tea but the man is one smooth operator as this nice post that couldn't even get the most rabid reactionary upset will explain.
Jim Kenefick runs one of the most popular anti-Moore websites, Moorewatch.com. Last year Mr Kenefick's wife was taken ill with a neurological disorder but with no medical insurance, he was struggling to pay for her health care.
In desperation, he posted a note on his site pleading for help and stating that he would "be in your debt for all of time" for any assistance in these troubled times.
Mr Kenefick received a cheque from an anonymous individual for a lump sum of $12,000, equivalent to a year's medical fees for his wife.
It was enough to ease the crisis and ensure the continuation of the website, so Mr Kenefick banked the cheque and put up a thank you note to the person he called his "guardian angel".
You can guess what's coming can't you.
After some digging to find out the identity of the altruistic donor it was revealed as the man he had dedicated years to bad mouthing. Confirmation came from Moore himself, who left a message on Mr Kenefick's answer machine confirming that he was the donor, adding: "I wish you my best."

My bet is that Moore gives a lot that we never hear of. And apparently stands on issues and disagreements with him don't taint his decisions on who to help.

[AZhitman]

Very cool if true. Very shrewd as well. Some would disagree with the way it's been presented: http://www.vlogolution.com/vlog/archive ... -Hype.html

Regardless, it's his to do with as he pleases, regardless of his motivations... Which makes his contention in the OP all the more incongruous.

[srellim234]

BTW, I also agree with you that redistribution the Moore way is ridiculous. Pointing fingers at how people are donating to their causes NOW is not a valid argument. If it were, I would have asked you how much of their personal fortunes George Bush, Barack Obama, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, most of the staff at Fox, etc. donated to shore up Chase, BofA, GM, Chrysler,and so on. They sure didn't have a problem with redistributing OUR money to corporate America, did they?

[AZhitman]

Agreed 100%. It's wrong, no matter what.

Then again, I'm not a big fan of making my own philanthropy known, but that's a personal choice - I won't stoop and knock someone for being proud of the causes they support.

[srellim234]

I knew you weren't. I remember it came up in a discussion a couple of years ago. I'm all for celebrities using their celebrity status to help charitable causes and raise funds for same. I would hope they would put their own money into them too, but like you I believe it's entirely their freedom of choice. I appreciate what they do more when they keep their own financial contributions as quiet as possible; otherwise it smacks of boasting about it.

Obviously Moore likes to have freedom of choice. The question: is he willing to give it up for redistribution of his own wealth? I seriously doubt it.

[audtatious]

BTW, I also agree with you that redistribution the Moore way is ridiculous. Pointing fingers at how people are donating to their causes NOW is not a valid argument. If it were, I would have asked you how much of their personal fortunes George Bush, Barack Obama, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, most of the staff at Fox, etc. donated to shore up Chase, BofA, GM, Chrysler,and so on. They sure didn't have a problem with redistributing OUR money to corporate America, did they?

What we do with our money should be up to us, not anyone else. I will argue for Streisand/Obama to spend her/their money the way they want while arguing I have the same right. In that, I agree with the above. I also challenge the Dem party to put their money where their mouth is and fund their own pet projects with their money instead of mandating everyone pay for it collectively. Same goes to the GOP.

[telcoman]

Howie will just claim he's exempt - he's not "wealthy" because he makes less than $250K a year. That's how the left passes the buck.

Wonder if Ted Danson and Barbara Streisand and Danny Glover and the rest of the brain-dead Hollywood twats have been handing out piles of money? After all, according to Moore, it's not theirs.

It's OK Howie - I'll stand up and fight for your savings and your retirement. And I won't ask for anything in return. After all, the morons you follow don't think it belongs to you. Doesn't that make you angry? Or are you just too star-struck by their fame?

In spite of your misguided logic there are some Americans that have done well and are using their wealth to give back to those less fortunate.

Michael Moore is one of many who do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore


There are however many wealthy pigs in this country including some in Congress that are bought off by wealthy corporate interests without disclosure who think that only others should pay for the right to live in this great country.

Greg, I feel sorry for you that you are so misguided in your thinking.
You will again be disappointed after the 2012 election as I again will be doing the Happy Dance.

Since you mentioned my 401k it has done much better since Obama came into office than it did under GWB

[stebo0728]

give back

Such an absurd phrase

Its give, not give back

[AZhitman]

In spite of your misguided logic

No, "misguided logic" is saying that what people earn doesn't belong to them. It's misguided to think that someone else can dictate what I do with my money.

You fail at responding to the bulk of my post, as usual.

many wealthy pigs

Classism at its worst.

Have fun living in the trailer park. Oh, wait - you don't. I see. So, why are you exempt from this? Are you giving away your 401K anytime soon? If so, I know some poor people who were stupid enough to vote the same way you did, they'll be so happy to receive your check. I'll send you their address. Walk the talk, Howie.

Or are you not a wealthy pig?

[audtatious]

give back

Such an absurd phrase

Its give, not give back

No, he is of the "owe a debt to society" group. In their mind if you get something for your hard work or thoughtful planning then you are effectively removing opportunity from someone else, thus, you must be mandated to give back to society.

Unless you are part of the group like Howie and you refuse to give your money, but are fine with reaching into others pockets.....Until Howie gives back his "wealth" he should not participate in these discussions. Nobody should have to listen to a hypocrite.

[AZhitman]

I hope no one ever mistakes me for a "wealthy pig".

I mean, gosh - All those poor people are just so noble and worthy of my adoration... I want so terribly to be JUST LIKE them.

Alas, I am doomed, for I was raised to work hard, overcome adversity, find a way around obstacles, stay out of trouble, save money, forego immediate gratification, pay my dues, contribute to society, look out for my peers, help others, and by doing so, help myself... My foolish parents, what were they thinking??? I should have settled for less!

I should have skipped school, drank, smoked, had 4 illegitimate kids, committed crimes, skipped out on work, watched countless hours of television, took public funds to support my laziness, spent every dime I had, developed an addiction... THAT way, no one would suspect me of being a "wealthy pig".

I don't know what to do now. I don't think I can bear aspiring to be a pig. Goodbye, cruel world.

[audtatious]

I should have dropped out of school instead of enhancing my education. I would be loved too, but, alas, I screwed it up so long ago

[AZhitman]

You pig.

[audtatious]

Takes one to know one....

Oink Oink

[srellim234]

telco- did I miss something or did you fail to even read your link? The only thing I saw at the wikipedia link was a reference to "offering" $20k to Julian Asange's bail but it doesn't even indicate he actually gave it. You are apparently arguing that Moore does NOT give his money charitably.

I had to look elsewhere to find links to his philanthropy and discovered that he is a major contributor financially to the impoverished children in Malawi.

[AZhitman]

Now you're wanting a liberal to READ? Steve, you really do push the envelope sometimes.



BTW, if MM even CONSIDERED giving JA even one thin dime towards his bail, then I've just added him to my "List of People I Would Not Swerve To Avoid". What a fat slovenly douche he is. It's no surprise he's a hero to the left.