More 57PRO sizes

[youngmanvr4]

Well I already email Chris on it up I just got a email from upgrademotoring and they just updated their sizing list for 4 lug 57PRO's (by request)

I can now get 17x8 +12, +27, +35.

17x9 +27, +35.

Before we had come to the point that if I wanted staggered 17x8 +27 with 225/45 tire up front and 17x9 +35 with 245/40 tire in the rear would fit best. But now with the new given sizes would any of these sizes fit better?

I would like to know first what would be the best staggered size and second would like to know the best all the same size. If you could include the tire size with that. I would rather not have to roll or pull, I also want to strech the tires as little as I can.

Chist, I already sent you a email about this but then I thought it might be better to post on here and keep it so others can search later on about these sizes and get some good info on it.

[youngmanvr4]

Chris, Chet, any of ya?

[nismofly]

copied from the e-mail, since i visited this forum 5 times and didnt see the thread:

you will have to run a stretched tire with the 17x8 +12, and do fender work as well, so those are out of the question then...and to keep everything in line since youll have to run the +27 front id say just keep the sizes we decided on

if you wanted to do some fender modifications you could run the wheels that stick out more, but like i said then youd have a stretched tire as well which you wouldnt like. so yeah id say keep with the original plan.

glad to help - chris

[sixxdeuce]

Too bad you cant get 17x9+12, that would be pretty decent fitment. I say the best choices would be 17x8+12 front and 17x9+27 rear. I dont think the 9" wheels will clear coilovers in front with a high offset like that. 17x8+12 should look ok in front, but the rears will probably need a spacer to be flush.

[nismofly]

he doesnt want any fender mods, and no stretch

[youngmanvr4]

Chris, what sizes would you recommend for the same size all around that way I can rotate?

If I go staggered then I'll get 17x8 +27 225/45 front and 17x9 +35 245/40 (or 45?) back, that will clear coil-overs right? I just want to know what the best size all around would be and see what one I'd like better.

[nismofly]

i was basing my stuff on springs and shocks, coilovers with the +35 9in in the rear would be close, and with the +27 youd clear the coilovers but might need slight fender work

all around with no fender work the 17x8 +27 with a 225/45/17 should be fine

[Exar-Kun]

"all around with no fender work the 17x8 +27 with a 225/45/17 should be fine"

Yep.-Chet

[youngmanvr4]

i was basing my stuff on springs and shocks, coilovers with the +35 9in in the rear would be close, and with the +27 youd clear the coilovers but might need slight fender work

all around with no fender work the 17x8 +27 with a 225/45/17 should be fine

I almost forgot the dude I emailed with the same wheels in modified mag is running 17x9 +35 with a 255/40 rear with coil-overs so it should fit. I dont really mind doing some rolling on the fenders (just if I can I'd rather not). If I rolled the rear fenders and put the 17x9 +27 could I still run a 245/40 tire?

What would be the best for performance, all the same (17x8) or staggered 17x8f 17x9r)? I'll be using the wheel some of the time for drifting also, so understeer is something I dont want to increase.

[nismofly]

staggered will increase understeer, if you dont want understeer run same on all 4

[youngmanvr4]

I might just run all the same then. Anyway I can run a 235/45 tire all around?

[sixxdeuce]

Just run the 17x9+27 with 10mm spacers on all 4. If you are ready to drop some serious coin on nice wheels you absolutly should roll your fenders at the very minimum. Not wanting to pull is cool, but you really should consider rolling when you are willing to spend that kind of cash. You should want them to look as nice as possible.

[McRussellPants]

Just run the 17x9+27 with 10mm spacers on all 4. If you are ready to drop some serious coin on nice wheels you absolutly should roll your fenders at the very minimum. Not wanting to pull is cool, but you really should consider rolling when you are willing to spend that kind of cash. You should want them to look as nice as possible.

+1

Seriously, spending 1500+$ on wheels that fit with the fender liners in and no roll is so lame.

[nismofly]

i bet you two flip when i get 16x8 +22 volk ce28n's then...some of us just like functional wheels i guess

if i wanted to get looks wheels by all means id get wider, but just because i spend a certain amount doesnt mean theyre for looks

[sixxdeuce]

i bet you two flip when i get 16x8 +22 volk ce28n's then...some of us just like functional wheels i guess

if i wanted to get looks wheels by all means id get wider, but just because i spend a certain amount doesnt mean theyre for looks

Weird, Ive always considered my 16x8 +12 and -1 advan oni's with 6mm spacers at all 4 corners functional....................crazy. I guess daily driven wheels with 3" lip are not functional anymore???

[nismofly]

you also consider 1/4" suspension travel functional

[youngmanvr4]

Just run the 17x9+27 with 10mm spacers on all 4. If you are ready to drop some serious coin on nice wheels you absolutly should roll your fenders at the very minimum. Not wanting to pull is cool, but you really should consider rolling when you are willing to spend that kind of cash. You should want them to look as nice as possible.

Well yes I could do that, like I said I dont really mind rolling the fenders anyway. What would I really gain with the extra inch all around? Its not like I'm pushing alot of hp or anything. I would have to roll the fenders and could I still run 245/40's all around?

[nismofly]

he wants you to have a stretch to run that, the widest would probably be a 235

if i got wide, wide wheels, id have like a 17x10 +15 all around, with like a 275 tire, and archflares to fit it

a lot like PDM's car:

[youngmanvr4]

Good gosh thats crazy. I'll just run the 8's all around, maybe go staggered but I dont think so. I want the meatest tire I can get.

Again could I run 235/45's all around with the 17x8 +27 with coil overs and a roll?

[nismofly]

you should be able to clear coilovers iirc, not sure about the fender

but with that size wheel youll have 6 more mm inside clearance than people with a x9 +20, and i know theres people with 235's on a 9

edit: ok the first one i found to check said he had slightly pulled both front and rear to clear the 235/45 on a x9 +20...so again the fender will be close

[youngmanvr4]

I feel stupid asking but I've heard people say iirc but what the heak does that mean?

So 235/45 will clear coil-overs just questionable on the fenders. Would a roll come close to doing it?

[ale89se]

If I Recall Correctly

[youngmanvr4]

Thanks, that makes since.

[Juujai]

i wouldn't really stagger unless theres clearance issues.

17x8 +27 all around for a no mod fit but not so flush. it's a decent size won't look too sunken. you could do 235/40/17 all around easy most likely no roll. why? because it's a tad not flush. again it depends if you want to lower as in slam or just mild. the lower you go the closer the fender lip will be to the tire. i think you probably need a visual to understand. here is what i mean by a tad sunk oem style fit. http://olfvingsson.nu/familjen...7.jpg

17x8 +12 for a more flush/lip but will require some fender work and extra camber. if you want the flush look theres no way to avoid fender rolling.

i'd personally do the x8 +12 or x9 +27 all around. imo no need for weak staggers and it'll be easier to rotate/swap tires. but it's not for the weak of heart guys that want to just slap it on and call it a day.
Modified by Juujai at 9:51 PM 2/1/2006

[youngmanvr4]

Well first I only want a mild lower, not slammed totally, I dont like the looks of any tuck at all.

Second, I like flushness but just a little bit of sunken wont bother me to much. I would like maybe a little more flush then that F50 but I would be just find with that much sunken too.

I would rather have a meater tire then totally flush, with x8 +12 I dont think I could fit a 235/45 it without major problems, with the x9 +27 I dont think I could run a 245/40 on it and clear coil-overs and/or rolled fenders. The x9 +27 may hit coil-overs as it is.

Over all I think 17x8 +27 235/45 would be my best bet. It will be alot more flush then the ole' steelies and will look pretty good. And I should be able to fit a good tire on it without a roll even like you said, even if I have to roll thats no biggie.

According to Gram Lights site all 4 lug 17x7's have 36mm of lip, 17x8 62mm of lip, 17x9 74mm of lip. So if I'm reading that right changing the offset doesn't mean you get more lip. http://www.gramlights.com/wheels/57pro/index.htm I'm pretty sure the number in (xx) means the amount of lip in mm. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[nismofly]

yep for all three 17x8 sizes is a 62mm lip

[youngmanvr4]

Thats what I thought.

[Juujai]

bah if all 17x8 sizes have same amount of lip thats gay. they just made the center longer than to lower offset. that's like how rota and those other companies do it. same face for all wheels. in that case you can go with the 27s if you want.

you could probably play with the camber and bring it closer to 0 which wouldn't be ideal but will make you more flush if you decide to do the 27s. if you're unwilling to work on the fenders/camber slap em on and call it a day. if it's not to your liking measure up how much closer you want it to be and pick up some sandwich spacers and play with that. but i'd do the +12s though. from the wheel offset calculator its 5mm more clearance than x9 +20. it's not too difficult a fit and won't need -21323 degrees of camber

[youngmanvr4]

I totally understand what your saying Juujai with the +12's but the problem is I would have to run a 225/45 maybe a 215/45 tire with +12 even with rolled (not pulled) fenders. I dont really mind to much about rolling the fenders, just if I "dont have to" I wont. Then the next thing is camber, I know camber does ware tires as much as toe but still not having to do much with camber would be nice, but thats not a biggie. I think stock 350z have like -2 or 3 camber. With the +27's I can run a 235/45 which I really want the the x8.

For coil-overs I'll be getting Tein FLEX's or Megan Pro's or maybe the track Series but doubtful.

[nismofly]

dont get the megan tracks

frankly having those spring rates shows just how much megan knows about suspension