mkIV Supra vs. SR20DET???

[SRBURG13]

YO, I just need a little bit of knowledge here.

I just raced a new Gen Supra. He told me that it was stock, completely, but I beg to differ. At the lights he asked me to race him, so I said "sure". I was revving the engine to like 4000rpm, and he was like, "wooo, slow down, take it easy", and when the light went green he didn't even floor it, I was already SOOOO far ahead of him, so I let go of the gas and waited, then he floored it and came up quick, so I jumped on the gas too, he soared past me like I was standing still.

Would a stock Supra destroy an SR? Obviously on the highend he will, but off the line? I think he knew that, and wanted to get me up high.

My mods are: Apexi FMIC, 3" downpipe, 3" Apexi N1 exhaust, TurboSmart BOV, Blitz Dual SBC boost controller set at like 12psi.

I'm so frustrated. That hooker didn't even wanna go off the line. Bastard. I'm guessing he has at least a boost controller.

Thanks all.

[60dash1]

You should hang for a little bit before he kills you if it's a bpu supra,they run low 12's.If the supra really is stock in the 1/4 you should have him by a couple tenths.

[S13240]

Hehe...you just got OWNED!

[MainEvent212]

:Werd

u got :owned

[Nils]

Sounds like an *******... if you ask someone to race from a stop light, you should start racing there... next time tell him that the race starts from a stop and not when he conveniently decides it should =)

you should be able to take the guy off the line easily with 12psi and his car being stock.. shizz, even if his car was upgraded you would still take him off the line. Supra's really shine from "roll on" races, not from a stop. He will take you on the top end though.

n

[SRBURG13]

Nils, thats pretty much what I figured. Thanks.

[kingsoup]

Quote »you should be able to take the guy off the line easily with 12psi and his car being stock.. shizz, even if his car was upgraded you would still take him off the line. Supra's really shine from "roll on" races[/quote]They posted a race on Supraforums of a SR 12psi S14 vs. a stock Mk4TT auto and Mk4 beat him by a bit.

You're looking at 300rwhp stock I think it'd be close from a dig or a roll, but if hes BPU, goodbye.

I wouldn't think a S13 would be any better from a stop then a Mk4, big turbo Mk4's aren't great launchers, that doesn't mean all they can do is roll's though.

[S14Life]

To kinda steel the thread.. how does your Apxei N1 exhaust sound like?Thanks

[Nils]

They posted a race on Supraforums of a SR 12psi S14 vs. a stock Mk4TT auto and Mk4 beat him by a bit.

You're looking at 300rwhp stock I think it'd be close from a dig or a roll, but if hes BPU, goodbye.

I wouldn't think a S13 would be any better from a stop then a Mk4, big turbo Mk4's aren't great launchers, that doesn't mean all they can do is roll's though.

Really???

Remember that Supras weigh quite a bit more than 240's. From a dead stop.. sr20det on 12psi vs. a bone stock Supra... the 240 would take it but not for long.. the Supra would reel in the sr20det.

completley different cars.. like comparing apples to oranges.

But then again I wouldnt know anything about Supra's or 240's....

n

[Nils]

lol.. I found the thread on SF ... it was in Finland during rain and near freezing temperatures.... I am surprised either cars got any traction at all.

n

[BuudWeizErr]

But then again I wouldnt know anything about Supra's or 240's....

n

I have to agree.

[SRBURG13]

To kinda steel the thread.. how does your Apxei N1 exhaust sound like?Thanks

At idle, you barely even hear it. But if you open the throttle a bit, the thing is pretty loud. But not in that ricer loud way, if you know what i mean. Sounds great. I like it. Although I have nothing to compare it to.

I'm sure I'll see more of this fool in the summer time. He is a dirty Italien that cruises that thing night and day. I'll run into him again.

[SRBURG13]

I have to agree.

Hahha

[60dash1]

Quote »He is a dirty Italien[/quote] Take it easy pal,and it's italian not italien.Nobody called you a wanna be european.

[vboyq]

kinda unrealted, but what does "BPU" from the earlier replies mean?

[Nils]

BPU = Basic Performance Upgrades

n

[GraySilvia]

BPU = low 12's if you can drive it = about $1500

[vboyq]

oi i see now thanx, and the BPU on the s13 redtop in a s14 chassis should be good for high 12's if not low 13's am i correct?

[SRBURG13]

Take it easy pal,and it's italian not italien.Nobody called you a wanna be european.

Hey easy there. I wasn't trying to burn anyone. If you lived up here, and knew this guy, you would know. Sorry if I offended. Oh, and I'm as European as it gets.

Yeah, that was no BPU. Pretty much stock, at least looking.

[mmdb]

more like mid/low 14's or high 13's if fixed up

[C-Kwik]

From my limited experience, Supras seem to be a bit hard to launch, particularly on street tires. I've seen stock auto Supras beat Manual BPU Supras just because they get out of the hole much better much more consistently.

Before I turbo'd my 240, I took both my friends' Supras off the line. Needless to say they still won.

[StrongBad240]

Would a sr powered s13 w/a T28 turbo and upgrades have a chance.

[BuudWeizErr]

Hahha

I wouldn't laugh. Nils knows more about Supras than you apparently know about all cars. I just said that because he is an aquaintance of mine, and I like to poke fun.

[SRBURG13]

I wouldn't laugh. Nils knows more about Supras than you apparently know about all cars. I just said that because he is an aquaintance of mine, and I like to poke fun.

Thanks for the update. I know that he is god with these cars. Thats why I laughed, and I knew you were just pokin fun at him. I just thought it was a good one. RELAX. :ylsuper

[Phax]

A buddy of mine has a Supra with most of the basic, bolt-on upgrades. I think he's getting ~450whp. Anyway, he ran somewhere in the 11-12 second range in the quarter. It's an automatic, and the transmission is built. So, I guess that's not a BPU. But everything else pretty much is.

[kingsoup]

Quote »Really???

Remember that Supras weigh quite a bit more than 240's. [/quote]Mk4's weigh more then 240's?? You're joking...

With 220rwhp @ 2750lbs vs. 300rwhp @ 3450lbs I'd think you'd be looking at the same state as a stock FD vs. a stock Mk4 right? They always ran pretty close races, dig or roll.

Quote »sr20det on 12psi vs. a bone stock Supra... the 240 would take it but not for long[/quote]They had a video recently on of a 15psi Sr20DET BPU car vs.a dynoed 330rwhp LS1 6-speed camaro and the camaro pulled him but not by much. I don't think a Mk4, assuming equal power/weight would have a roll advantage (assuming a loss from a dead stop) either given the 240/180sx front end's excellent aero. (well under 140mph or so anyways)

I didn't say big single Mk4's are good from a dig, but most people running T-78's. T88's, Big SP's packing over 600rwhp usually run lesser 1/4mile times then they could, if they aren't on slicks.

I know every Mk4 guy is defensive of racing from a dig, I didn't say they couldn't do it, just not as well in street form as say a C5.

[NEED4BOOST]

He is a dirty Italien that cruises that thing night and day. I'll run into him again.

:bash Thanks for the inconsiderate comment for fellow board members who happen to be italian. If you were beside me I would bash you because yes I am one of those board members!

I know you apologized but you didn't even have the decency to go back and edit your post.

-Seth

[Siddhartha]

What's BPU for an sr20??? I thought that was a term copyrighted by some dude that sold kits for supras....

[Nils]

What's BPU for an sr20??? I thought that was a term copyrighted by some dude that sold kits for supras....

It might have started in the Supra community but it is not copyrighted by any means. You can apply the same terminology to any turbo car.

Here is a simple rundown of what BPU means. I could forget something or leave something out...

BPU for a U.S. sr20det swap would be the following items:DownpipeExhaustBoost cut controllerIntakeFuel pumpSimple bolt-ons that most people have, BPU means you have a turbo car and you boost slightly more than factory specs.

add a plus behind the BPU for any of the following items:Boost controllerFMICCam gearsCam shaftsFuel controllerFPRBasically anything that is added to a regular BPU list, for example if you have all the BPU stuff and then you add an Apexi AFC you climb up to a BPU+ status.

APU stands for Advanced Performance Upgrades, you have an APU car if you have any of the following items:Upgraded/custom TurboManifoldBottom end workbigger injectorsAPU is for the serious guys that push big boost and have support to hold it.

hope that helps.

n

[I H8 UR DSM]

NPU= Nils performance paint job upgrade.